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jareso

  • Boris Jaroscak
« on: May 30, 2010, 05:32 »
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I am working/playing little bit with Dreamstime API (Alliances and Partnerships  program) and their referral program and this is what I created so far. :)

StockPhotos.it (English version)
StockPhotos.sk (Slovak version)
StockPhotos.cz (Czech version)

Although it is already online, I am still working on it. (This is an very early version.)
My aim is to create catalogue of stock photos, vectors, illustrations and computer graphics grouped by various categories and criteria + include some articles in future about selling, buying, etc.

My aim is NOT to create another full functional agency with direct buying ability, shopping cart, direct download, etc. (I mean if somebody is interested in purchasing commercial or downloading free image he/she has to go to the source agency and register, buy, download etc. there)

Aim of this project is simply to drive traffic to Dreamstime to bring new buyers. And of course (I have no reason to hide it) also to earn some $ for me through their referral program.

I am sure that soon or later someone of you guys would have found out about this project, so I am writing prior to it, to clear any confusion what is this project about. I just wanted to let you know, thats all. Check it out! ;)
« Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 06:39 by jareso »


« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2010, 08:21 »
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Is there going to be any way for contributors to track what sales came directly from your site, or will that remain secret? I don't participate in partner programs because I don't like not knowing where the sales come from and how much.

I don't mind putting some money in others' pockets if more money is going into my pocket, but if you are using me to make more money for yourself than I am making, I would likely not want to participate. And most sites, in the past, haven't been willing to divulge that info to contributors.

Fotonaut

« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2010, 08:56 »
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Pretty nice work, I wish I had your programming skills.

But from a buyer perspective I don't see the point. It is more effective to simply use the Dreamstime site.

jareso

  • Boris Jaroscak
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2010, 10:50 »
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Thank you for your points.

cclapper
No, sorry, this is not technically possible. This project is running like regular referral program project in terms of selling/buying. This means that when new buyer is interested in picture he/she sees on my site he/she clicks my referral link (Download Now!, etc.) and than he/she needs to register with Dreamstime and everything else is going on their side. Remember I am not full functional agency just catalogue. Although I am using API for displaying and receiving image data (sizes, keywords, etc.), searching data, etc. in terms of referees my project works same as regular referral program that is available for anyone at DT.

I have my statistical data that I am collecting in my database, like click-thoughts to DT, etc. on my side, but information what you want to know is impossible to retrieve, simply because even I dont know this exactly. (I can only guess.)

I will explain why:
When user actually registers with DT through my referral link, notifying email comes that someone xyz registered under me and this user than appears listed "under my name". After that when this user becomes buyer and actually purchase something I can see on my DT "referral earnings page" only something like this:
 
"New package bought Earnings: $xx.xx Date: xx/xx/2010 (xx:xx)"
or
"Download for referred photographer Earnings: $x.xx Date: xx/xx/2010 (xx:xx)"
etc.

I can see how may users/photographers/buyers and how many payment plans, etc. were purchased by them. I dont know which photos exactly they actually bought.
Or in case of photographers which photos they sold, although in case of photographers I can guess this because I can see their user profile (regular, just as you can see yours referred members if you have some) with their photos/portfolio, sales count listed etc. But for buyers I dont know which one they actually bought. I simply know they registered so I can guess click-through effectivity (which photo actually brought them to DT) based on internal statistics on my site and based on time when notifying message came. But I dont know exactly which photos they purchased. It can be photo they clicked (Download Now!) (highly possible when they clicked it, they probably liked it) but it could be also any other photo on DT. And remember they can/will buy also in future some more/other photos at DT...

But anyway. Every time this happens aim of this project is fulfilled because:
1. New user (buyer/seller) come to the DT through my project.
2. He/she made some sales (purchased or sold something)(and maybe will also purchase/sell in future) so DT has new customer / photographer.
3. And I have my 10% commission of his/her sales for 3 years as an reward for bringing him/her ;D and for putting my time and work into this project.

Thats the way how it works in my case.

So to your question on how you can track your sales as any other regular sales you have thorough DT, there is no difference.

Hope my explanation helped you a bit and cleared any confusion about it. ;)
 
Fotonaut
Thanks again for your words, I am happy that you like it. :)
Well as I said main aim of this project is to bring new users to DT so you have partially true. It is no doubt better for buyers to use DT. :)
But without this project those people wouldnt know about DT site. I have referred buyers through this project which means that I have true when I say they didnt know about DT at the time when they first came to my StockPhotos site (and than finally got to the DT, registered and purchased...)

But on the other side I have something more for them to offer: For example on Slovak and Czech versions of this project it is possible to use local language (Slovak or Czech) during search. And it is widely used, I see this in my statistics... these people would be lost if that ability wasnt there. (I know this - again based on my current statistics and statistics from time when local language search wasnt availeable on my project.)

And I am planning more... and also some articles, selling/ buying, maybe articles about equipement (cameras, lenses, whatever/who knows :), etc.), different categories/criteria, or maybe images selected by hand, etc.

I am doing this as DT fan/hobby project mostly - so I am doing it can be said "during the way",... I mean, thinking about something than changing my mind, than something new will came to my mind, etc. ;D So I will see how far it will get. ;D
« Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 12:08 by jareso »

alias

« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2010, 11:33 »
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Is potentially a good idea for stock collections to encourage people to build third party sites which take a different snapshot of their libraries in terms of generating Google juice if nothing else.

But the site is messed up on my machine. Some of the text is cut off and the page does not resize properly.

jareso

  • Boris Jaroscak
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2010, 11:45 »
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alias
Can you please send me PM with screenshot if you dont mind? And some info what kind of browser etc. do you use? This never happened before and it was tested on a lot of configurations... Thanks

« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2010, 12:04 »
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I noticed some of lisafx's photos in your collection. So the photos that are showing up now...have these contributors "signed up" with you already? How does that work...do you automatically pull every contributor's images on DT? If you automatically pull my images, how can I opt out? Or do you NOT auto pull images and I specifically have to sign up with you?

Your 10% commission, does that come out of my commission or does that come from DT's side of the commission? In other words, do I earn less money on an image because it came from you and the referral system? I'm not sure I understand how referral earnings are computed.

« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2010, 12:27 »
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Your 10% commission, does that come out of my commission or does that come from DT's side of the commission?
No it goes from your commission. That's why those dreaded 0.21$ 1 credit sales once in a while (I have this info directly from Achilles). You can easily opt out from partner sites in your management area. On the other hand, it's a sale you would have missed otherwise. And as Petar once said, a sale is a sale. What he probably meant is that it counts for your level.

jareso

  • Boris Jaroscak
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2010, 12:46 »
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cclapper
As far as I know it comes out from DT commission part of sale. In other words you (example) as photographer or as a buyer (when you purchase plan/photo/credits, etc.) referred by someone loose nothing. You still get your percentage, or full amount of credits etc. I do believe this is how DT referral program works - as far as I know. But I can be wrong, of course. I suggest you to contact DT support if you have any confusion/doubts.
I just read FD-amateur saying his opinion. Well maybe he has true, I realy don't know. As I said please contact support if you have any confusion.
But anyway - please remember that without this referred member you would have nothing - becouse he/she wouldn't know about DT site, and than of course he/she wouldn't buy your image. (I know that he/she maybe later will find about site by other means, anything is possible... but who grantees you that than he/she would buy your image, etc, etc. this is just too theoretical and sale is sale :) isn't it?)

As for first part of your question I can access all images (just previews)(probably with some time "behind" like 24 hours or so.) that are on DT and that users didnt opted out of "Alliances and Partnerships" program. So my "search" section is working real-time (little behind probably as I said). (+ Also with add-on of language specific searches on Slovak and Czech versions.) And my "catalogue" section is cached on my side, I cache this based on my criteria it is not same as DT categories. And I plan to develop it more.

Recomended Author ("Landing page") is picked (and also cached) by me as I feel it/like the work of that author. It can be different amongst language versions of project. For example now on Slovak "Landing page" StockPhotos.sk there is different recommended author than on the rest of the project. A am also planning to develop this "Landing page" more. Please keep in mind that this is just early version of project

Btw. this is where you can opt out at DT "Alliances and Partnerships".
http://www.dreamstime.com/alliances
But please remember, this is all or nothing. If you select that you want to be excluded you will be excluded from all partner sites not just from mine.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 13:02 by jareso »

« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2010, 12:53 »
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No it goes from your commission. That's why those dreaded 0.21$ 1 credit sales once in a while (I have this info directly from Achilles). You can easily opt out from partner sites in your management area. On the other hand, it's a sale you would have missed otherwise. And as Petar once said, a sale is a sale. What he probably meant is that it counts for your level.

Thanks FD. I am opted out from partner programs, but referral earnings are different from that, aren't they? In other words, does opting in-out of the partner programs affect my images being on this stockphotos.it site?

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And as Petar once said, a sale is a sale.

Well, yes and no. I suppose some people are happy with .21 because it's .21 more than they had, but I see it as taking a sale away from, say, a $1.00 sale to make .21. That's why I don't participate in ThinkStock, too. As far as counting towards my level...oh well. I see the whole microstock thing winding down anyway...so many contributors, so many images, so many people trying to take whatever they can from what little commissions I do make...at some point all of my images will come down, because I won't want to dump them all into the free bin. And that's just about where it's all headed. Negative, yes. Realistic, yes.

Jareso, can you please confirm what FD said and answer my other questions?

jareso

  • Boris Jaroscak
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2010, 12:58 »
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Please see my point one post up from yours, you were faster than me when posting. :)
« Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 13:04 by jareso »

« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2010, 13:03 »
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cclapper
As far as I know it comes out from DT commission part of sale. In other words you (example) as photographer or as a buyer (when you purchase plan/photo/credits, etc.) referred by someone loose nothing. You still get your percentage, or full amount of credits etc. I do believe this is how DT referral program works - as far as I know. But I can be wrong, of course. I suggest to contact DT support if you have any confusion/doubts.
I just read FD-amateur saying his opinion. Well maybe he has true, I realy don't know. As I said please contact support if you have any confusion.
But anyway - please remember that without this referred member you would have nothing - becouse he/she wouldn't know about DT site, and than of course he/she wouldn't buy your image. (I know that he/she maybe later will find about site by other means, anything is possible... but who grantees you that than he/she would buy your image, etc, etc. this is just too theoretical and sale is sale :) isn't it?)


Well, I'm not going to ask DT support anything. You are setting up the site, you are receiving 10% of my commission, you really should know the answers to these questions, IMHO.

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As for first part of your question I can access all images (just previews)(probably with some time "behind" like 24 hours or so.) that are on DT and that users didnt opted out of "Alliances and Partnerships" program. So my "search" section is working real-time (little behind probably as I said). (+ Also with add-on of language specific searches on Slovak and Czech versions.) And my "catalogue" section is cached on my side, I cache this based on my criteria it is not same as DT categories. And I plan to develop it more.


I am assuming you yourself are Slovak or Czech...in the above paragraph your English is a tad difficult to understand. I think you are saying that as long as I am opted out of Alliances (partner programs) on DT, then you will NOT be able to pull my images. Is that correct...yes or no?

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Btw. this is where you can opt out at DT "Alliances and Partnerships".
http://www.dreamstime.com/alliances
But please remember, this is all or nothing. If you select that you want to be excluded you will be excluded from all partner sites not just from mine.


I understand. I do want to be opted out of ALL partner sites, because most sites aren't willing to allow contributors to see exactly what sales are coming from where. To me, that's inviting a lot of shenigans, and I guarantee there are some going on somewhere. It's called human nature.

jareso

  • Boris Jaroscak
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2010, 13:15 »
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cclapper
Yes, you seem to be opted out, I tried the search through API for your user name and I found nothing.

« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2010, 13:19 »
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cclapper
Yes, you seem to be opted out, I tried the search through API for your user name and I found nothing.

OK, thanks for the explanations. If I change my mind, I will look you up.  :)

Fotonaut

« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2010, 14:10 »
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Well, I'm not going to ask DT support anything. You are setting up the site, you are receiving 10% of my commission, you really should know the answers to these questions, IMHO.
I don't see why this should be the case. Jareso has a partnership with Dreamstime. Dreamstime has a partnership with Cclapper. Any questions regarding Clappers partnership with Dreamstime should be directed to Dreamstime.

jareso

  • Boris Jaroscak
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2010, 14:20 »
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Your 10% commission, does that come out of my commission or does that come from DT's side of the commission?

Well, I was sure as I told before how it is. But now you confused me little bit about this. :)
But to clear any confusion I am trying to find it out for you to make you happy. :)
Hopefully we will see without any doubt how it is in case of referral program... and from whom that 10% is deduced.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 14:26 by jareso »

« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2010, 14:41 »
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Well, I'm not going to ask DT support anything. You are setting up the site, you are receiving 10% of my commission, you really should know the answers to these questions, IMHO.
I don't see why this should be the case. Jareso has a partnership with Dreamstime. Dreamstime has a partnership with Cclapper. Any questions regarding Clappers partnership with Dreamstime should be directed to Dreamstime.

My questions were asked of jareso and he kindly answered.

I also appreciate that jareso made the announcement here on this forum that he is going to be a partner of Dreamstime. We certainly can't rely on the actual sites to tell us who we are partnered with, now can we?  ;)

Here are clips from jareso's very first post:

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I am working/playing little bit with Dreamstime API (Alliances and Partnerships  program) and their referral program and this is what I created so far.
Aim of this project is simply to drive traffic to Dreamstime to bring new buyers. And of course (I have no reason to hide it) also to earn some $ for me through their referral program.

I bolded the areas that were confusing to me, because he was talking about their referral program. To me, opting out of Partner Programs and the referral program are two different things. They are found in two different areas of the DT website under two different buttons. Until I asked the questions, I wasn't exactly sure what he meant. If DT had posted a similar announcement in this forum, then I would have been asking the questions of DT.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 15:46 by cclapper »

jareso

  • Boris Jaroscak
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2010, 14:51 »
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Once again, it is simple "Alliances and Partnerships" and "Referral program" are of course two different things.
My site is powered by DT API in terms of retrieving image data like keywords, descriptions, search results, etc. but unlike other partners (with shopping cart, download, etc.) I am just linking traffic to DT through referral program. (It is regular referral linking same as anyone of you can use at DT.) This is where this two systems are connected together.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 15:15 by jareso »

« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2010, 15:47 »
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Got it, thanks for clearing it up. I understand totally now.

« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2010, 17:44 »
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It seems to me (and I may be incorrect) that these websites are constructed SOLELY TO DRIVE BUYERS TO DREAMSTIME. There is no ability for a visitor to purchase images from jareso. Everyone should be happy that he is taking the time to increase OUR sales with no cost to us!

« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2010, 01:47 »
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It seems some ppl here are confused how it works. The jareso web is totally powered by DT - its the content of DT displayed on his site with different language and so but the content is directly provided by DT and powered by internal DT API functions - ITS NOT A PARTNER AGENCY!!! The money jareso gets are from DT side like any other refferal money. He just provides extra service to customers like selection of special photos, providing service in more languages that DT doesnt have itself and drive traffic and buyers to DT - he doesnt sell anything himself!
So for us it is really great because we get the same money (unlike from partner agencies), this site drives more buyers directly to DT and catches more buyers which likely wouldnt come to DT as they dont know about it and/or do prefer searching in czech/slovak language.

jareso

  • Boris Jaroscak
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2010, 05:45 »
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Elvinstar and basti thank you for your nice words. :)

to all:
As for the 10% commission confusion. I contacted Serban Enache (Achilles) Dreamstime's CEO and he was so kind and explained me how it is. He also allowed me to quote his statement on this forum. So here it is:

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The referral fees are supported by Dreamstime for all referred photographers and for a part of the external distributors. In your case, at this time we are paying your share out from the agency's share.
When we have integrated the dynamic fees, all referral fees for buyers should've been added into the equation, as they contribute to generating the sale. We have delayed this moment in order to avoid significant impact over contributors' earnings. But at some point this will be integrated for all buyers. The royalties will be calculated based on all commission fees involved (distributors, contributor's & Dreamstime's). The distributor receives a % share based on the end price, so naturally it will be deducted first.

The photographer fees (contributing members who are referred by other people) will continue to stay this way, the % share will be supported by Dreamstime.

So it is as I said before, in case of my project you loose nothing. My referral 10% goes from DT share. Hope this cleared any confusion you might have. :)
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Well, I'm not going to ask DT support anything. You are setting up the site, you are receiving 10% of my commission, you really should know the answers to these questions, IMHO.
I don't see why this should be the case. Jareso has a partnership with Dreamstime. Dreamstime has a partnership with Cclapper. Any questions regarding Clappers partnership with Dreamstime should be directed to Dreamstime.

Please also note that Fotonaut is right. I am trying to do my best to serve you and to find answers for your questions that might confuse you - to make you happy. :)

But on the other side I cannot act as support for you. If you have any doubts regarding your partnership with DT, you should contact them.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2010, 05:47 by jareso »

« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2010, 06:10 »
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He just provides extra service to customers like selection of special photos, providing service in more languages that DT doesnt have itself and drive traffic and buyers to DT - he doesnt sell anything himself!

The languages he provides are not from buyers' countries. So where's the advantage? The vast majority of buyers comes from Western Europe and Northern America. The rest comes from India, mostly because many Western design- and media companies outsource their operations there. I'm buying from an account that is incorporated in India for instance, since the Western customer just wants to deal with one invoice. Imaging is a tiny part of that invoice, thanks to Microstock. The best deal are the DT subscriptions where you can license top images for cents at max size.

East of Berlin, there is a weaker culture of copyright respect, to put it gently. Just look where Rapidshare, Deposifiles, Megaupload and Heroturko are really located. Those are countries of contributors and sharers, not of buyers ;)

Technically, it's correct that the referral earnings are not taken from our commissions. But by promoting referrals, the lost money has to come from somewhere. Could it be that DT had to lower our commissions from 50 to 30% in part to cope with referrals? I'd prefer they'd spend that money to promote their own site and cut all the middlemen that are prying on Microstock.

But of course, all this is not the problem of the OP. He just seizes an opportunity. He is not to "blame" at all.
@OP: check your site with and without Cleartype on. Some fonts look bad with Cleartype on.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2010, 06:15 by FD-amateur »

« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2010, 06:52 »
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It seems some ppl here are confused how it works. The jareso web is totally powered by DT - its the content of DT displayed on his site with different language and so but the content is directly provided by DT and powered by internal DT API functions - ITS NOT A PARTNER AGENCY!!! The money jareso gets are from DT side like any other refferal money. He just provides extra service to customers like selection of special photos, providing service in more languages that DT doesnt have itself and drive traffic and buyers to DT - he doesnt sell anything himself!
So for us it is really great because we get the same money (unlike from partner agencies), this site drives more buyers directly to DT and catches more buyers which likely wouldnt come to DT as they dont know about it and/or do prefer searching in czech/slovak language.

And yet, as I understand it, the only way we can have our images appear on jareso's site is by OPTING IN TO PARTNER SITES!

Can someone clear that up for me?

I understand the rest of it and it does sound like a good deal and I might be on board with it, but I will not opt in to partner programs!

« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2010, 07:40 »
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It is probably the way that DT has their API set up. Rather than provide language that will search all DT photos, their API most likely only includes photographers that are opted into partner program. I would imagine that this saves them having to provide two different versions.

Just a guess.


 

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