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« Reply #225 on: April 29, 2014, 13:29 »
+15
dollarphotoclub only want to be one big thing:

the cheapest image marketplace at the net

i say only one sentence from their advertising:

Why pay more?

That declared everything of this new business modell!


« Reply #226 on: April 29, 2014, 13:38 »
+17
I've not been in Microstock long enough to harbour the resentment that many here hold for FT. I have my portfolio with them because of the reasonably healthy Credit sales. With their new DPC offering they threaten to decimate that market - not just at FT but also at the agencies that currently produce most income for me and most other contributors. 

« Reply #227 on: April 29, 2014, 13:43 »
+12
I just got blocked from DPC's Facebook page for helping out a customer with his problems.  8)


I read some posts at their facebook site. It is hard to believe what fotolia say in the mail.

The advertisement on the facebooksite has only one message: 1$=1high res why you pay more?

Is this the exclusve sales for exclusive members what fotolia means???? Or is this an attack on the mass market?


we should make these greedy and destructive agencies superfluous.




« Reply #228 on: April 29, 2014, 13:44 »
+10
I've not been in Microstock long enough to harbour the resentment that many here hold for FT. I have my portfolio with them because of the reasonably healthy Credit sales. With their new DPC offerin they threaten to decimate that market - not just at FT but also at the agencies that currently produce most income for me and most other contributors.

I will be watching my ft sales closely and if they begin to tank, and I can attribute that to DPC I will close my account there. Not worth the lies, deceit, shady business practices that they have instilled on their "valuable" contributors. And they have EARNED their reputation.

« Reply #229 on: April 29, 2014, 13:51 »
+17
A comment from a buyer in the Dollar Photo Clubs facebook page:

Quote
Initial impression is....WOW! Great prices for some good resolution photos. I've been an istockphoto.com user for years, even their low price stuff still runs a few bucks for the smallest resolution. Look forward to giving you a try on my next project!

And like this person, many others are commenting on how much money they will save using DPC compared to what they are spending now elsewhere.

Is this the previously untapped market that DPC is hitting?

« Reply #230 on: April 29, 2014, 13:56 »
+5
A comment from a buyer in the Dollar Photo Clubs facebook page:

Quote
Initial impression is....WOW! Great prices for some good resolution photos. I've been an istockphoto.com user for years, even their low price stuff still runs a few bucks for the smallest resolution. Look forward to giving you a try on my next project!

And like this person, many others are commenting on how much money they will save using DPC compared to what they are spending now elsewhere.

Is this the previously untapped market that DPC is hitting?


Exactly this "new" market they means!

« Reply #231 on: April 29, 2014, 13:57 »
+11
The petition must say close this stupid

« Reply #232 on: April 29, 2014, 14:08 »
+9
The petition must say close this stupid

yes - even with opt out "solution" - this is very dangerous move ft did -
it could  destroy ms forever...
« Last Edit: April 29, 2014, 14:19 by ferdinand »

« Reply #233 on: April 29, 2014, 14:12 »
+15
I am a contributor with a vested interest in overall sales growth.  Here are my FT portfolios: 

http://us.fotolia.com/p/19000

http://us.fotolia.com/p/200920505


Are you employed by Fotolia?



Hi everyone,
 
Yes, after volunteering as a moderator in the Fotolia forum for many years I made the decision to leave the restaurant business I had been in for more than 25 years and turn my focus to my true passion of photography.  The timing was fortuitous as an opening came available on the Customer Service team at Fotolia that I happily accepted this past September. 
 
Working in this position has allowed me the opportunity to see firsthand the passion and commitment the team at Fotolia has towards increasing business and revenue for all involved including photographers.  Going into the job I have the unique perspective of looking at it from the view of a contributing photographer.
 
As much as I love to talk about myself (NOT!) I would like to reiterate a couple of solid points that some people in this forum are attempting to brush off as irrelevant.  The license at Dollar Photo Club has changed as a direct result of the urging of contributors.  The license at Dollar Photo Club has always been a Standard License but now it has been made more clear.  Customers cannot use the images in items that will be resold where the primary value comes from the image (tee shirts, coffee mugs, etc.) and there is now a limit of 500K on the run.   As it has been pointed out here, the only difference between buying an image at any stock agency  with a subscription plan and buying it at Dollar Photo Club is the fact that the customer can continue to use their purchased downloads even after cancelling their membership.
 
The fact that a customer can continue to use their available downloads without them expiring means that again, a higher percentage of overall spending goes to the contributor.  If a member of Fotolia or any stock agency buys a subscription and allows the subscription to expire before using their available downloads, those downloads expire and no commission is paid to the photographer. 
 
Dollar Photo Club is hitting a previously untapped market and is driving sales at  fast rate.  I recommend you think it through with logic rather than passion before deciding if you want to be a part of the growth or simply a witness to it.  As has been mentioned, you now have the option to opt out or opt back in manually in your account settings.  If you have any questions or concerns my email address is Mat.Hayward@Fotolia.com and I will be happy to start a dialog with you one on one.

-Mat Hayward


Mat,

thanks for joining in the discussion as the official voice of Fotolia. It's good that there is at least some sort of communication - with Fotolia historically that has not really been the case.

To the "facts":

You write "Dollar Photo Club is hitting a previously untapped market ".

How does that fit with the earlier announcement that if would target "big buyers"? Those are anything but "untapped market"? (and by the way, targeting "big buyers" would allow a significantly higher threshold than 10$ per month as a starting point).

And if it is a new market, why would you want to educate them that images have to be cheap instead to demanding a reasonable price?

And how will you prevent the conversion of existing credit buyers into DPC buyers, thus eroding the complete On-Demand business that happens at more then 10 times higher prices (on FT)?

All of that does not make sense.
What will happen is that an ever increasing share of buyers will simply pay less.
It does not make sense for contributors, and for FT it makes only sense as a very agressive way to poach market share from their competitors. Something no contributor can support.


« Reply #234 on: April 29, 2014, 14:13 »
0
Did anyone who watched from the sidelines (meaning didn't delete images, didn't write to FT support and didn't know/didn't touch the opt-out button) received "You probably heard that we have launched Dollar Photo Club" message from FT?

I did not receive the "You probably heard that we have launched Dollar Photo Club" message from Fotolia. (I didn't start deleting images yet, I didn't write to FT support but I already opted out.)

« Reply #235 on: April 29, 2014, 14:40 »
+4
I've just compared my statistics for March and April 2014 to the same months in 2013. In both cases I have sold about 15% more images this year that last ... but made less money. Great. The "Dollar Photo Club Effect" in action I guess.

« Reply #236 on: April 29, 2014, 14:41 »
+1

We need a midstock! Not more cheaper and cheaper.

Sorry for bad english.

Sounds like good English to me;-)

+1

Yep. I understood it perfectly and wouldn't have changed a single word of it! :)

« Reply #237 on: April 29, 2014, 14:42 »
+1
we should make these greedy and destructive agencies superfluous.

SYMBIOSTOCK!!!!!

« Reply #238 on: April 29, 2014, 15:04 »
+12
Mat,

I think it's total crap that they want to give away the vector for a measly dollar. I wouldn't mind them deciding to branch them off and sell the small image for the same price as fotolia (since I've been collecting those little sub sales since I started) ... But, to give away the larges and the vectors for a buck ... You people are effing crazy to think that that is going to increase our revenue. You'd better check the water cooler over there at ft, you'd have to have been drugged to think this is a good idea.

« Reply #239 on: April 29, 2014, 15:09 »
+4
I think somehow, this is a historic day - the first time that Fotolia responds to the wishes of contributors 8)

Ron

« Reply #240 on: April 29, 2014, 15:13 »
-4
we should make these greedy and destructive agencies superfluous.

SYMBIOSTOCK!!!!!

I wouldnt recommend Symbiostock at this point either, and you know why.

« Reply #241 on: April 29, 2014, 15:15 »
0
we should make these greedy and destructive agencies superfluous.

SYMBIOSTOCK!!!!!

I wouldnt recommend Symbiostock at this point either, and you know why.


But why?

Goofy

« Reply #242 on: April 29, 2014, 15:25 »
+13
we should make these greedy and destructive agencies superfluous.

SYMBIOSTOCK!!!!!

I wouldnt recommend Symbiostock at this point either, and you know why.


But why?

Don't go there let's stay focused on the issue with Fotolia! We all need to nip this in the bud before it spreads like cancer to the rest of the industry...

Tone

« Reply #243 on: April 29, 2014, 15:36 »
+19
This is a blatant attempt by FT to claw back market share. Done in true FT style by undercutting competition and driving prices even lower (just when I thought we'd hit the bottom). It's bad news for the industry. I deleted my whole portfolio yesterday, I didn't want to opt-out and then watch my files at FT sink in their search. I've been with them since they started and put up with all their other bad moves. This was a step too far though.

« Reply #244 on: April 29, 2014, 15:38 »
+1
we should make these greedy and destructive agencies superfluous.

SYMBIOSTOCK!!!!!

I wouldnt recommend Symbiostock at this point either, and you know why.


But why?

Don't go there let's stay focused on the issue with Fotolia! We all need to nip this in the bud before it spreads like cancer to the rest of the industry...

+1

« Reply #245 on: April 29, 2014, 15:42 »
+8
I think somehow, this is a historic day - the first time that Fotolia responds to the wishes of contributors 8)

It's the second (that I know of). When they first introduced subscriptions (I think in 2006 but I'm not certain of the date) the deal was crap in terms of royalty and the subs sales did not count towards your silver/gold/emerald level. A number of us withheld uploads as a protest - subscriptions live on a a steady stream of new content or people don't renew.

Fotolia upped the royalty and made 4 subs downloads count as one credit download for level purposes.

The only bad news about them making a change this time is it seems to signal they're not in a great position financially (if they thought they were strong they'd tell contributors to stuff it).

Ron

« Reply #246 on: April 29, 2014, 15:43 »
+3

Don't go there let's stay focused on the issue with Fotolia! We all need to nip this in the bud before it spreads like cancer to the rest of the industry...
Agree.

« Reply #247 on: April 29, 2014, 15:50 »
+1
The only bad news about them making a change this time is it seems to signal they're not in a great position financially (if they thought they were strong they'd tell contributors to stuff it).


This could be true. Coul be a sign for a kind of financial maldevelopment.

« Reply #248 on: April 29, 2014, 15:50 »
0
The only bad news about them making a change this time is it seems to signal they're not in a great position financially (if they thought they were strong they'd tell contributors to stuff it).


This could be true. Coud be a sign for a kind of financial maldevelopment.

« Reply #249 on: April 29, 2014, 15:52 »
-3
we should make these greedy and destructive agencies superfluous.


SYMBIOSTOCK!!!!!


I wouldnt recommend Symbiostock at this point either, and you know why.


Hey Ron,
I think I got mine working ok. http://www.symbiostock.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1449&p=13405#p13405

But, there are a herd of e-commerce applications available that let you sell digital goods. To be quite honest though, without paying for one and the support involved you'll be running into more problems anyway. The support of the Symbiostock community is probably one of a kind, I wouldn't be so quick to judge.

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