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« Reply #350 on: April 30, 2014, 13:19 »
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Every day many requests are sent from Dollar Photo Club members wanting to purchase an Extended License.  In response they are directed to Fotolia to make the purchase.  Ive just been notified that Dollar Photo Club will soon be adding an Extended License. The commission paid to photographers will be an even $30 (US).  The cost for the member for this license will be $50 resulting in a 60% commission rate for contributors.

If you have any questions, please email directly:  Mat.Hayward@Fotolia.com

I'm an Emerald contributor and I almost can't remember when I last had an EL at FT. Certainly none this year so far.

In contrast I've had 9 ELs at SS this month. Guess which business I want to be "disrupted"?


« Reply #351 on: April 30, 2014, 13:20 »
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Every day many requests are sent from Dollar Photo Club members wanting to purchase an Extended License.  In response they are directed to Fotolia to make the purchase.  Ive just been notified that Dollar Photo Club will soon be adding an Extended License. The commission paid to photographers will be an even $30 (US).  The cost for the member for this license will be $50 resulting in a 60% commission rate for contributors.

If you have any questions, please email directly:  Mat.Hayward@Fotolia.com

Will it be an "even $U.S.30" regardless of contributor canister level on the parent site Fotolia or wether the contributor has raised their EL prices on Fotolia from default when uploading?   I might be wrong, but doesn't a default EL on Fotolia pay around $6?

« Reply #352 on: April 30, 2014, 13:21 »
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I think the highest I've made on Fotolia is 69 cents.  I stopped uploading months ago.  Just SS and DT for me these days.

« Reply #353 on: April 30, 2014, 13:21 »
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Every day many requests are sent from Dollar Photo Club members wanting to purchase an Extended License.  In response they are directed to Fotolia to make the purchase.  Ive just been notified that Dollar Photo Club will soon be adding an Extended License. The commission paid to photographers will be an even $30 (US).  The cost for the member for this license will be $50 resulting in a 60% commission rate for contributors.

For any of us who have been selling for a while and through multiple sites, the ratio of an extended license sales to others is reasonably well established. You cannot solve a basic pricing problem with the volume sales by having a few extended licenses (even though there's nothing wrong with the price and royalty for those, depending on what rights you're including).

This seems as if management thinks that dangling a nice, though very occasional trinket of an EL sale will cause contributors to forget about the fundamental problem.

The tech crunch article quotes Fotolia's owner saying that he's trying to use the pricing to take market share away from Shutterstock and iStock. Almost all of us would lose badly if that were to succeed, $30 EL royalties or no.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2014, 13:24 by Jo Ann Snover »

« Reply #354 on: April 30, 2014, 13:26 »
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I've decided to support D-Day and I'm going to delete most of my best sellers at Fotolia today and tomorrow. 

About 250 photos + videos deleted. Tomorrow will be more.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2014, 14:42 by mayaartist »

fujiko

« Reply #355 on: April 30, 2014, 13:29 »
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Just imagine how proud they will be in 2 years when the whole marked is selling photos for $1 and they are forced to lower theirs to 50 cents.

Forced? I think they would be eager to do it.

Every day many requests are sent from Dollar Photo Club members wanting to purchase an Extended License.  In response they are directed to Fotolia to make the purchase.  Ive just been notified that Dollar Photo Club will soon be adding an Extended License. The commission paid to photographers will be an even $30 (US).  The cost for the member for this license will be $50 resulting in a 60% commission rate for contributors.

I see the next thing fotolia is going to say to promote their disruptive initiative... you can make UP to 60% on a sale and up to $30 on Photos.com.

If 60% is sustainable on Extended Licenses, why not do it on all sales? That would be a real sign that they are working to increase contributor's revenue.

MxR

« Reply #356 on: April 30, 2014, 13:37 »
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MR FOTOLIA-MAN:

10 dollars is NOT a SUBSCRIPTION PRICE

Is BUY ten images for one image decent PRICE

Is kill On DEAMAND and CREDIT SALES

IS a own SHOT in FOTOLIA FOOT

Is easy to fix being a good deal:

1 month 100 dollars

one year 999 dollars...

One image Ten Dollars

EL 50$? good...

With these solution, many people continue buying credits and on demand images... and i opt in...

« Reply #357 on: April 30, 2014, 13:41 »
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The tech crunch article quotes Fotolia's owner saying that he's trying to use the pricing to take market share away from Shutterstock and iStock. Almost all of us would lose badly if that were to succeed, $30 EL royalties or no.

In a nutshell.   



« Reply #358 on: April 30, 2014, 13:46 »
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I have 30 ELs in a month at ss, 1 in a year at FT, no joke.

« Reply #359 on: April 30, 2014, 14:09 »
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EL's at FT are as rare as Hen's Teeth. What makes you think the bargain hunters at DPC are suddenly going to want to splash out on EL's?

The issue here is very clear. FT is trying to gain market share and disrupt the market at contributors expense.

I've opted out of DPC and I'll be deleting files from FT tomorrow in a show of support.

« Reply #360 on: April 30, 2014, 14:15 »
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Every day many requests are sent from Dollar Photo Club members wanting to purchase an Extended License.  In response they are directed to Fotolia to make the purchase.  Ive just been notified that Dollar Photo Club will soon be adding an Extended License. The commission paid to photographers will be an even $30 (US).  The cost for the member for this license will be $50 resulting in a 60% commission rate for contributors.

If you have any questions, please email directly:  Mat.Hayward@Fotolia.com

Will it be an "even $U.S.30" regardless of contributor canister level on the parent site Fotolia or wether the contributor has raised their EL prices on Fotolia from default when uploading?   I might be wrong, but doesn't a default EL on Fotolia pay around $6?

Yes, the $30 commission on Extended Licenses will be a flat rate paid to all contributors regardless of rank.

-Mat

« Reply #361 on: April 30, 2014, 14:18 »
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Who needs EL with such "Standard" license on DPC?!
« Last Edit: April 30, 2014, 14:20 by Fairplay »

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  • Author of best selling "Get Started in Stock"

« Reply #362 on: April 30, 2014, 14:32 »
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The more I read of this, the clearer it becomes that Fotolia, with its small market share and revenue, has nothing to lose and a lot to gain from pushing pricing as low as they can go in the expectation that SS and iStock cannot (for financial reasons) or will not follow them. The only people that lose are those bigger agencies and, of course, the contributors who now get these lowly sums for any size of image bought on demand.

Our only action as contributors is to show, as best we can, that we care about this stuff and that we are not going to sit idly by as passive cows in the field and take this from Fotolia. I've removed myself from DPC and will remove myself from Fotolia tomorrow. Even so, we know that there are a whole raft of silent contributors who won't take action, but what choice do WE have.

I guess there is a subset of contributors who may benefit - people who have chosen to put a lot of effort and imagery into Fotolia and not as much elsewhere. I feel sorry for Mat having to defend this race to the bottom.

Steve

« Reply #363 on: April 30, 2014, 14:35 »
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Who needs EL with such "Standard" license on DPC?!
Good question!

« Reply #364 on: April 30, 2014, 14:39 »
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Mat,

Fotolia must sent a message like deleting 10$ Package. Also all images must disabled as standard from DPC. I am at a rank between 40 and 70. I will delete my images too. Im very sorry i cannot see my images sold out.

« Reply #365 on: April 30, 2014, 14:40 »
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You destroy our market and yours too

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  • Author of best selling "Get Started in Stock"

« Reply #366 on: April 30, 2014, 15:03 »
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Quote
You destroy our market and yours too

The trouble is - this is a very logical thing for a smaller agency with a lot of files to do. They will take market share quickly (they believe) due to the predatory pricing and their own share of a now smaller revenue pot will grow. It makes perfect sense for them as a business as long as they are first to do it, and as long as the contributors don't revolt. That is what we must do!

Steve

« Reply #367 on: April 30, 2014, 15:10 »
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Fotolia is not such a small agency, but i think you re right when you say they want to be the first with this step. So i tell you something more:

If they are the first, there will be a second and a third.

And the bill will be paid from the contributors. What we want to do if Shutterstock make such like this? We re out.

« Reply #368 on: April 30, 2014, 15:21 »
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Fotolia is not such a small agency, but i think you re right when you say they want to be the first with this step. So i tell you something more:

If they are the first, there will be a second and a third.

And the bill will be paid from the contributors. What we want to do if Shutterstock make such like this? We re out.

They are not the first, shutterstock openly admits to keeping pricing stagnate for 9 years to gain market share. The rest of the sites have lost market share as a result. Contributors need to stand up and hold all of the micros accountable for creating a market environment that is not sustainable for contributors. 

Ron

« Reply #369 on: April 30, 2014, 15:24 »
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Lets keep this about FT. Your soapbox is here http://www.microstockgroup.com/shutterstock-com/

stocked

« Reply #370 on: April 30, 2014, 15:25 »
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Fotolia is not such a small agency, but i think you re right when you say they want to be the first with this step. So i tell you something more:

If they are the first, there will be a second and a third.

And the bill will be paid from the contributors. What we want to do if Shutterstock make such like this? We re out.

They are not the first, shutterstock openly admits to keeping pricing stagnate for 9 years to gain market share. The rest of the sites have lost market share as a result. Contributors need to stand up and hold all of the micros accountable for creating a market environment that is not sustainable for contributors.
Again lets focus here on the DPC/Fotolia issue thanks!

« Reply #371 on: April 30, 2014, 15:26 »
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I had a look at the site and offer. For a customer it is indeed a very interesting offer, reminds me of the early days of istock, the designers dirty little secret.

The one thing that is good is that the artists are indeed paid the full share of whatever the customer pays. All the money is translated into downloads, nothing is lost. This is indeed different to all regular subs packages where a large amount of the available downloads are never ever used and the money lands with the agency only. I have no idea how much on average is actually downloaded from a subs package.

One problem like many have pointed out is the unlimited license. If they are taking steps to change that, it is a step in the right direction. The next is extended licenses. Ok, Fotolia has very few extended licenses, but the 30 dollar offer /60% is a decent looking carrot.

The real problem is how many single image downloads will we loose, especially for full size images. And how will it change the balance in the overall market.

Although I am supplying several subs site, my real money doesnt come from subs. It comes from extended licenses, single image sales etc...

Very difficult decision. I am glad that Mat is coming here, but it is also obvious that without the looming boycott threat there wouldnt have been anyone reaching out to the community. Artists have been complaining about DPC for several months and were ignored.

So only now that real action is being threatened, they react.

I will suspend uploads for the time being and watch how the offer changes. If I dont like what comes, I will remove my files from DPC. I do appreciate that there is now an opt out. My portfolio is just 680 images right now.

If anything, this again should remind all agencies to take contributors concerns seriously at early stages and not ignore us or belittle the problem by hoping the silent majority approves of everything.

« Reply #372 on: April 30, 2014, 15:28 »
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Hey guys!

I am a professional stockphotographer. That means i live totally from this business. Its no hobby!
Double digits tausends portfolio.

Horrible what happens with FT the last year(?). Horrible what they make with us. The income goes down while uploading much more.
An abo with 5 XXL, DPC, no real communication, no profit for us, no question if we agree with their condititions and so on.
We have just to accept. Nothing to say - nobodies. Hold your mouth and accept.

But i think this time is over because we can not longer produce for this prices. Absolutely not possible.
One day i will work for 1$/hour. Fantastic. No - bevore this will happens i stop with my work for FT.

Stop this small lied abo, stop DPC, stop to give our images for a present. Make your real business and work on your destroyed image.
Its enough. I know many customers which had still left this boat - also other big contributors which are no longer able to accept this way to work.
What happens then?

WE MAKE THE BENEFIT !!! We must work together. But i think the managers behind can not understand what
is a real business. Its win win ... one day can everybody understand this. But than - the game is over.
Quality and honesty are the words.

Stop to destroy us. Make us to partners! Give us our money for what we work very hard.


Ok, let us wait what will happen tomorrow. I deactivate.

M.






Ron

« Reply #373 on: April 30, 2014, 15:31 »
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I only have 587 files accepted on FT but I opted out of DPC yesterday. The reason I am not deleting my port from FT is that I have fought for every image to get accepted and I have too much time and frustration invested in my portfolio there. I will see how it pans out in the future and if things turn more sour, I will delete my portfolio, albeit with pain in my heart, knowing the work that was involved to get them there.

« Reply #374 on: April 30, 2014, 15:40 »
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Shutterstock reps are rarely met with hostility here.

Re: Your hall monitor position, I see as always your side of the street is not clear.

I do agree we should keep this on topic, so I will opt out of the back and forth banter.

Back on topic

After a few nights to think about the situation I have decided I will be deleting my entire port on Fotolia May 1st. I opted out yesterday.

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