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« Reply #900 on: May 12, 2014, 07:40 »
+29
1. Svetlana (i have no idea who you are), can you please show people here the pictures you used as boycott advertisement? then everyone will see why i called it circus.

2. what i'm still trying to convince people is please check the background of "leaders" of this "boycott". don't be manipulated by WAREZ people. make your own business decisions. don't be a "herd" for those who wants to be sheppards now.

The logic behind the boycott still seems perfectly sound to me.  I'm curious about why the organisers set to work on it because it is always good to know about motivations. But the fact that selling credit size packages at subscription type prices is going to be bad for everybody doesn't seem to be in doubt.


« Reply #901 on: May 12, 2014, 07:42 »
+15
1. Svetlana (i have no idea who you are), can you please show people here the pictures you used as boycott advertisement? then everyone will see why i called it circus.

2. what i'm still trying to convince people is please check the background of "leaders" of this "boycott". don't be manipulated by WAREZ people. make your own business decisions. don't be a "herd" for those who wants to be sheppards now.
1) No pictures were used for the boycott, Lev. Some contributors made some pictures, but they were only expressing their own feelings. I do not think the boycott needed to be advertized, btw. Many contributors felt strongly about this move by Fotolia behind their backs and many still do. You do not need advertizing for such things (as opposed to things like DPC - they do need advertizing, indeed).

2) How are the contributors manipulated, if I may ask? We all make our own decisions. If I think DPC is bad for me as a contributor, I sign the petition and opt out of DPC (actually, I deleted all my works from Fotolia). What possible manipulation should I expect from anyone? I make my own decisions, you make yours. I think it's fair that people know about DPC, you think they'd better shut up and let Fotolia do whatever it wants to do.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 08:21 by Svetlana »

Ron

« Reply #902 on: May 12, 2014, 07:46 »
+2
Are there multiple interests to see DPC fail?

« Reply #903 on: May 12, 2014, 07:49 »
+4
2. what i'm still trying to convince people is please check the background of "leaders" of this "boycott". don't be manipulated by WAREZ people. make your own business decisions. don't be a "herd" for those who wants to be sheppards now.

Since this thread is about the FT boycott with respect to DPC, is there something that you wanted to tell us regarding that ? I am not able to clearly understand the few posts that you have made today. Could you please elaborate on that ?

Lev

« Reply #904 on: May 12, 2014, 07:49 »
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i have nothing more to say.

"He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"

i know the activists of "alliance" will try to create a lot of "white noise" now, as they did on russian forums before they were kicked off for the very same "obvious warez connection" reason,
but i really hope initial message of Robert with prooflink will not get lost.


« Reply #905 on: May 12, 2014, 07:52 »
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luissantos84, maybe if you will start to care more about your own portfolio and stop caring about ours, it will really help you with seeing stuff you do not yet.

also a little bit less "hahaha"s on forums is always helpful for both sales and understanding.

i have zero respect to you after all aggression i've seen from you before. in my opinion, nothing about you is any "professional", sorry. you're obviously not the one who can judge "professional attutude".

i'm not your mate. can you please stop any communication attempts with me? thank you!

I am inclined to support Luis because my opinion is that he is not necessarily creating a battle between you and him, rather supporting the broader impact of the micro stock industry and stating that you have 75k images on DPC is one nugget of many we're hoping to influence.  I think you would get a PILE of hearts on here if you chose not to participate in DPC, but that's your call.  DPC is a very destructive strategy to micro stock as a whole.

Ron

« Reply #906 on: May 12, 2014, 07:53 »
+25
i have nothing more to say.

"He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"

i know the activists of "alliance" will try to create a lot of "white noise" now, as they did on russian forums before they were kicked off for the very same "obvious warez connection" reason,
but i really hope initial message of Robert with prooflink will not get lost.
What is the problem? Everyone is fighting for the same cause?

Why are you not removing your images? Is DPC a good deal or bad deal?

If DPC is a success your 75K images might no longer cover your cost.

Lev

« Reply #907 on: May 12, 2014, 08:02 »
-13
  I think you would get a PILE of hearts on here if you chose not to participate in DPC, but that's your call.  DPC is a very destructive strategy to micro stock as a whole.

i'm not in this business for hearts, but for money.

with 8 years of positive experience, we do trust major marketplaces we work with, regarding their marketing efforts.

it's up to you or anyone else to be opted-in or opted-out. none of my business.

i do not ask anyone to opt-in or opt-out. i'm asking you to get some understanding about people who leads the boycott.

if someone is blindfolded by witch hunt now and sees no reason to check "alliance" background - it's ok. like i already said, don't pretend you were unwarned later.


OM

« Reply #908 on: May 12, 2014, 08:05 »
+10
Are there multiple interests to see DPC fail?

Yep, thousands of individual artists who prefer credit downloads at every agency to subscription-size payments by DPC for effectively credit packages.

« Reply #909 on: May 12, 2014, 08:06 »
+20
  I think you would get a PILE of hearts on here if you chose not to participate in DPC, but that's your call.  DPC is a very destructive strategy to micro stock as a whole.

i'm not in this business for hearts, but for money.

with 8 years of positive experience, we do trust major marketplaces we work with, regarding their marketing efforts.

it's up to you or anyone else to be opted-in or opted-out. none of my business.

i do not ask anyone to opt-in or opt-out. i'm asking you to get some understanding about people who leads the boycott.

if someone is blindfolded by witch hunt now and sees no reason to check "alliance" background - it's ok. like i already said, don't pretend you were unwarned later.

What is your opinion about the DPC business model and that fact that Fotolia tries everything to do it behind the backs of their own image supliers?  That's what this thread shoud be about. I don't care about these personal debates...

« Reply #910 on: May 12, 2014, 08:07 »
+18
  I think you would get a PILE of hearts on here if you chose not to participate in DPC, but that's your call.  DPC is a very destructive strategy to micro stock as a whole.

i'm not in this business for hearts, but for money.

with 8 years of positive experience, we do trust major marketplaces we work with, regarding their marketing efforts.

it's up to you or anyone else to be opted-in or opted-out. none of my business.

i do not ask anyone to opt-in or opt-out. i'm asking you to get some understanding about people who leads the boycott.

if someone is blindfolded by witch hunt now and sees no reason to check "alliance" background - it's ok. like i already said, don't pretend you were unwarned later.

Your call.  Once your downloads are all for a penny...accross all MS sites....you know who to blame. Just go look in a mirror.

« Reply #911 on: May 12, 2014, 08:11 »
+10
1. Svetlana (i have no idea who you are), can you please show people here the pictures you used as boycott advertisement? then everyone will see why i called it circus.

2. what i'm still trying to convince people is please check the background of "leaders" of this "boycott". don't be manipulated by WAREZ people. make your own business decisions. don't be a "herd" for those who wants to be sheppards now.

i have zero trust to people who pop-up from nowhere with already made boycott site and redirecting contributors to their "alliance" later.
people who say they are not stock contributors, but just have a big heart.
people who, on very easy inspection appear to be connected to WAREZ.

if anyone wants such a people to lead him/her or affect his/hers business - don't say you were not warned.

that's it.

It's too easy to see where you come from. Don't expose yourself to further ridicule.

ginasanders

« Reply #912 on: May 12, 2014, 08:15 »
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  I think you would get a PILE of hearts on here if you chose not to participate in DPC, but that's your call.  DPC is a very destructive strategy to micro stock as a whole.

i'm not in this business for hearts, but for money.

with 8 years of positive experience, we do trust major marketplaces we work with, regarding their marketing efforts.

it's up to you or anyone else to be opted-in or opted-out. none of my business.

i do not ask anyone to opt-in or opt-out. i'm asking you to get some understanding about people who leads the boycott.

if someone is blindfolded by witch hunt now and sees no reason to check "alliance" background - it's ok. like i already said, don't pretend you were unwarned later.


+1!

Are we not all grown-up people? Can I decide how I want? This is my business. And I decide how I want!
DPC is not much worse than microstock for macro photographers a few years ago. Times are changing.

« Reply #913 on: May 12, 2014, 08:20 »
+21
  I think you would get a PILE of hearts on here if you chose not to participate in DPC, but that's your call.  DPC is a very destructive strategy to micro stock as a whole.

i'm not in this business for hearts, but for money.

with 8 years of positive experience, we do trust major marketplaces we work with, regarding their marketing efforts.

it's up to you or anyone else to be opted-in or opted-out. none of my business.

i do not ask anyone to opt-in or opt-out. i'm asking you to get some understanding about people who leads the boycott.

if someone is blindfolded by witch hunt now and sees no reason to check "alliance" background - it's ok. like i already said, don't pretend you were unwarned later.


+1!

Are we not all grown-up people? Can I decide how I want? This is my business. And I decide how I want!
DPC is not much worse than microstock for macro photographers a few years ago. Times are changing.

You're not much of a business person if your goal is to support the erosion of micro stock pricing.  Business people look at the business environment holistically, not through a microscope.

Ron

« Reply #914 on: May 12, 2014, 08:21 »
+19
  I think you would get a PILE of hearts on here if you chose not to participate in DPC, but that's your call.  DPC is a very destructive strategy to micro stock as a whole.

i'm not in this business for hearts, but for money.

with 8 years of positive experience, we do trust major marketplaces we work with, regarding their marketing efforts.

it's up to you or anyone else to be opted-in or opted-out. none of my business.

i do not ask anyone to opt-in or opt-out. i'm asking you to get some understanding about people who leads the boycott.

if someone is blindfolded by witch hunt now and sees no reason to check "alliance" background - it's ok. like i already said, don't pretend you were unwarned later.
Unwarned for what? What is the problem of opting out of DPC? Doesnt matter who says what, the fact is that DPC is bad.

Dont you agree?

« Reply #915 on: May 12, 2014, 08:23 »
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Is quite simple dpc needs to be boycotted.
But filehoster employees may not represent my interests as contributor.

However, I find it also surprising that the "big fishs" here is not clear position against dpc.

Ron

« Reply #916 on: May 12, 2014, 08:23 »
+16
  I think you would get a PILE of hearts on here if you chose not to participate in DPC, but that's your call.  DPC is a very destructive strategy to micro stock as a whole.

i'm not in this business for hearts, but for money.

with 8 years of positive experience, we do trust major marketplaces we work with, regarding their marketing efforts.

it's up to you or anyone else to be opted-in or opted-out. none of my business.

i do not ask anyone to opt-in or opt-out. i'm asking you to get some understanding about people who leads the boycott.

if someone is blindfolded by witch hunt now and sees no reason to check "alliance" background - it's ok. like i already said, don't pretend you were unwarned later.


+1!

Are we not all grown-up people? Can I decide how I want? This is my business. And I decide how I want!
DPC is not much worse than microstock for macro photographers a few years ago. Times are changing.
It seems you are not understanding the difference between 1 dollar on demand images and 250 dollar subscription packages.

« Reply #917 on: May 12, 2014, 08:35 »
+15

Are we not all grown-up people? Can I decide how I want? This is my business. And I decide how I want!
DPC is not much worse than microstock for macro photographers a few years ago. Times are changing.

And didn't microstock push down the prices on trad agencies by at least 50% or more in a few years?
Are you happy to be part of a scheme that will drive down your earnings from microstock by a similar amount?
Of course, it is your decision but it was a very bad example to pick. Go and ask any "macro" stock photographer whether he or she wishes the micros had never existed and you might find out how you may feel about DPC a few years on from now.

ginasanders

« Reply #918 on: May 12, 2014, 08:46 »
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Ohhh, I'm so a bad girl. :P

Ron

« Reply #919 on: May 12, 2014, 08:49 »
+19
Ohhh, I'm so a bad girl. :P
Is that a grown up response?


« Reply #920 on: May 12, 2014, 08:49 »
+20
Ohhh, I'm so a bad girl. :P

No, not bad. Just silly.  :)

ginasanders

« Reply #921 on: May 12, 2014, 08:52 »
-15

Are we not all grown-up people? Can I decide how I want? This is my business. And I decide how I want!
DPC is not much worse than microstock for macro photographers a few years ago. Times are changing.

And didn't microstock push down the prices on trad agencies by at least 50% or more in a few years?
Are you happy to be part of a scheme that will drive down your earnings from microstock by a similar amount?
Of course, it is your decision but it was a very bad example to pick. Go and ask any "macro" stock photographer whether he or she wishes the micros had never existed and you might find out how you may feel about DPC a few years on from now.

You are right!
I was Makrostocker for long time. Then thousands Micro Stocker have ruined the macro market. But I survived.
Now the time has turned further. And I'll survive again.

Good photographers can always live off their photos!


And that's all I have to say. Have fun and make new images.

ginasanders

« Reply #922 on: May 12, 2014, 08:56 »
-15
Ohhh, I'm so a bad girl. :P

No, not bad. Just silly.  :)


I'm sorry, I'm blonde

« Reply #923 on: May 12, 2014, 08:58 »
+10
I was Makrostocker for long time. Then thousands Micro Stocker have ruined the macro market. But I survived.
Now the time has turned further. And I'll survive again.

Good photographers can always live off their photos!


And that's all I have to say. Have fun and make new images.

I just don't understand how you think it will benefit you to undermine microstock - or maybe you just want revenge on us for wrecking macro .... or are a fotolia employee? .... or something?
Or maybe you just think - like one person I know does - that the microstock market is going to die anyway, this is the last gasp as it all goes down the drain and so you might as well be one of those who squeezes a last little bit of money from the end of it?
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 09:00 by BaldricksTrousers »

« Reply #924 on: May 12, 2014, 08:58 »
+21
Gina, please don't derail this thread. The subject is too important.

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