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« Reply #675 on: November 10, 2011, 14:32 »
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Now I've been in micro awhile, but just started actively paying attention to the overall numbers and economics recently, so I might be ignorant, but...
when has this happened before?  I thought the number of contributors in the microstock industry as a whole has pretty much increased monotonically since its inception.

Not so sure about that, it was a climbing number per year and then two or three years ago, new members started dropping. I don't think it's been growing at a constant rate at any point. If you want, I'll start another topic and show some new artist numbers for the last seven years? I always enjoy investigating and looking at trends.

As for the number of photos, yes, that's seems to be increasing at a rapid but steady rate.

the number of new contributors dropped, but the number of total contributors kept growing.  monotonically does not mean linearly, it just means it kept increasing (ie, the total number of contributors never decreased).  For instance, a plot of sqrt(x) for instance grows monotonically, even though the slope keeps decreasing.  Lagereek was claiming, or so I thought, that actual total number of contributors would decrease, not new contributors each year.


RacePhoto

« Reply #676 on: November 10, 2011, 15:04 »
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Now I've been in micro awhile, but just started actively paying attention to the overall numbers and economics recently, so I might be ignorant, but...
when has this happened before?  I thought the number of contributors in the microstock industry as a whole has pretty much increased monotonically since its inception.

Not so sure about that, it was a climbing number per year and then two or three years ago, new members started dropping. I don't think it's been growing at a constant rate at any point. If you want, I'll start another topic and show some new artist numbers for the last seven years? I always enjoy investigating and looking at trends.

As for the number of photos, yes, that's seems to be increasing at a rapid but steady rate.

the number of new contributors dropped, but the number of total contributors kept growing.  monotonically does not mean linearly, it just means it kept increasing (ie, the total number of contributors never decreased).  For instance, a plot of sqrt(x) for instance grows monotonically, even though the slope keeps decreasing.  Lagereek was claiming, or so I thought, that actual total number of contributors would decrease, not new contributors each year.

Got it, I read the word to mean increasing at a constant rate, same number of new users increasing each year over the last year, plus the number of new users the previous year. x (new users) plus the constant increase in new users.

If you are viewing total users, I'd say, that's always increasing, even if there are drops. See the new thread for new member counts which I'm beginning to wonder about how accurate they are using the Contributor Charts data. It seems to be growing and new users added, even back to 2002 counts?

I'd have to agree that the number of total contributors has not dropped and more are joining than leaving. Net gain continues.

lagereek

« Reply #677 on: November 10, 2011, 16:33 »
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In the case of IS, its pretty straight forward, I think. Getty has scared them stiff, the Admin is walking a tight-rope, afraid of getting kicked out and they would do and say, yes, to just about anything.
Mind! same as H&F, has got Getty by the short and curlies.

« Reply #678 on: November 10, 2011, 17:53 »
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I actually don't disagree that the number of contributors might start dropping, I just found the "always happens" comment odd, because as far as I know, this would be the first time ever in the microstock industry's existence that the number of contributors has begun to drop.

« Reply #679 on: November 10, 2011, 19:29 »
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I would expect people who are disillusioned with microstock to just stop uploading, so they would still appear to be a contributor, but not an active one.

jbarber873

« Reply #680 on: November 10, 2011, 19:32 »
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The only cynicism you are going to meet here, are by the same noobs that keep bashing me in every thread, i.e. nobodies, so just ignore them.

the only nobody in this forum is you actually, do you know a person here that like you? time to grow up ok? you can do it :)

   I like lagereek. And anyway, can we get back on the topic of cockroaches? Or maybe laundry tips- I really miss that one.

« Reply #681 on: November 10, 2011, 21:23 »
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The only cynicism you are going to meet here, are by the same noobs that keep bashing me in every thread, i.e. nobodies, so just ignore them.

the only nobody in this forum is you actually, do you know a person here that like you? time to grow up ok? you can do it :)

I hope you guys know each other and this is a joke between mates, otherwise Luissantos don't you think you are being a bit mean?  If I heard my kid speak like this he would be grounded for a month.

lagereek

« Reply #682 on: November 11, 2011, 01:28 »
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The only cynicism you are going to meet here, are by the same noobs that keep bashing me in every thread, i.e. nobodies, so just ignore them.

the only nobody in this forum is you actually, do you know a person here that like you? time to grow up ok? you can do it :)

I hope you guys know each other and this is a joke between mates, otherwise Luissantos don't you think you are being a bit mean?  If I heard my kid speak like this he would be grounded for a month.


 ;D ;D,  but Luis, IS, a kid!  joined in 2010 and KNOWS everything, seen everything and done everything. ;D
« Last Edit: November 11, 2011, 01:31 by lagereek »

« Reply #683 on: November 11, 2011, 07:23 »
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I have witnessed stagnant, scared management before in a large company.  In my experience the biggest problem of all, the one that damages companies the most, is not an unwillingness to accept new ideas or to change the approach in technology or sales ... the really big problem is that people in responsible positions often have a very hard time holding their underlings truly accountable ... by telling them bluntly that they screwed up, by moving them to other jobs and shifting their responsibilities, or by firing them.  The more that management hangs out together at parties, on vacation, etc. the more close they become and the more slack the company becomes.  They would rather go down with the ship than make a scene with their buddy who just happens to be steering the ship onto the rocks.

Just saying ...

I think you have nailed istock (and other companies, including the one I used to work for) right on the head.

« Reply #684 on: November 11, 2011, 09:12 »
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today is so far the worst business day in the last 2 month !!! huge drop for me.

« Reply #685 on: November 11, 2011, 09:26 »
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today is so far the worst business day in the last 2 month !!! huge drop for me.
Today 11/11 is the anniversary of the end of WWI (or the signing of the treaty) and a holiday in a few (?) European countries. Many people are off for a long weekend.

« Reply #686 on: November 11, 2011, 10:08 »
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The only cynicism you are going to meet here, are by the same noobs that keep bashing me in every thread, i.e. nobodies, so just ignore them.

the only nobody in this forum is you actually, do you know a person here that like you? time to grow up ok? you can do it :)

I hope you guys know each other and this is a joke between mates, otherwise Luissantos don't you think you are being a bit mean?  If I heard my kid speak like this he would be grounded for a month.


 ;D ;D,  but Luis, IS, a kid!  joined in 2010 and KNOWS everything, seen everything and done everything. ;D

very far from that and I am the first person to admit it, I do enjoy great photographers/pictures I just abominate people full of themselves, sorry

ShadySue

« Reply #687 on: November 11, 2011, 10:15 »
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very far from that and I am the first person to admit it, I do enjoy great photographers/pictures I just abominate people full of themselves, sorry
Apparently, 29 people agree.  ;)

lagereek

« Reply #688 on: November 11, 2011, 10:40 »
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very far from that and I am the first person to admit it, I do enjoy great photographers/pictures I just abominate people full of themselves, sorry
Apparently, 29 people agree.  ;)

31, actually!

lagereek

« Reply #689 on: November 11, 2011, 10:43 »
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The only cynicism you are going to meet here, are by the same noobs that keep bashing me in every thread, i.e. nobodies, so just ignore them.

the only nobody in this forum is you actually, do you know a person here that like you? time to grow up ok? you can do it :)

I hope you guys know each other and this is a joke between mates, otherwise Luissantos don't you think you are being a bit mean?  If I heard my kid speak like this he would be grounded for a month.


 ;D ;D,  but Luis, IS, a kid!  joined in 2010 and KNOWS everything, seen everything and done everything. ;D

very far from that and I am the first person to admit it, I do enjoy great photographers/pictures I just abominate people full of themselves, sorry


I dont get it?  why the inferiority?  after all you had Vasco Da Gama,  that should last a few centuaries. ;D ;D

grp_photo

« Reply #690 on: November 11, 2011, 10:55 »
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very far from that and I am the first person to admit it, I do enjoy great photographers/pictures I just abominate people full of themselves, sorry
Apparently, 29 people agree.  ;)
or 17 in the other direction  ;)

lagereek

« Reply #691 on: November 11, 2011, 11:02 »
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very far from that and I am the first person to admit it, I do enjoy great photographers/pictures I just abominate people full of themselves, sorry
Apparently, 29 people agree.  ;)
or 17 in the other direction  ;)

Yeah right!  Sue= 21  and Luis = 24,  that makes 45. Jeez!  what a pair,  makes me look like a Sunday-school.

jbarber873

« Reply #692 on: November 11, 2011, 11:44 »
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I have witnessed stagnant, scared management before in a large company.  In my experience the biggest problem of all, the one that damages companies the most, is not an unwillingness to accept new ideas or to change the approach in technology or sales ... the really big problem is that people in responsible positions often have a very hard time holding their underlings truly accountable ... by telling them bluntly that they screwed up, by moving them to other jobs and shifting their responsibilities, or by firing them.  The more that management hangs out together at parties, on vacation, etc. the more close they become and the more slack the company becomes.  They would rather go down with the ship than make a scene with their buddy who just happens to be steering the ship onto the rocks.

Just saying ...

I think you have nailed istock (and other companies, including the one I used to work for) right on the head.

    Totally agree. Of course, that's what H&F is supposed to be doing- taking a bad management team and turning it into a good one. One of these days they better get started...

« Reply #693 on: November 11, 2011, 13:07 »
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Holy sh*t I'm confused.  Where did all these random numbers of people come from?

More importantly, why?

lisafx

« Reply #694 on: November 11, 2011, 14:08 »
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The only cynicism you are going to meet here, are by the same noobs that keep bashing me in every thread, i.e. nobodies, so just ignore them.

the only nobody in this forum is you actually, do you know a person here that like you? time to grow up ok? you can do it :)

   I like lagereek. And anyway, can we get back on the topic of cockroaches? Or maybe laundry tips- I really miss that one.

I like him too!  Christian's a great guy.  His eccentricities are part of what makes him fun :)

« Reply #695 on: November 11, 2011, 14:13 »
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I like him too. Sometimes he goes over the top, but you need to be a little crazy to survive in this industry for as long as he has.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2011, 18:01 by cobalt »

« Reply #696 on: November 11, 2011, 14:29 »
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it looks like that now I am the bad guy, sure not a problem 24 or 27 I can handle it

BUT as I said, I was called a nobody before

lagereek

« Reply #697 on: November 11, 2011, 17:04 »
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it looks like that now I am the bad guy, sure not a problem 24 or 27 I can handle it

BUT as I said, I was called a nobody before

No youre not!  your OK!  but as they say, you have to be a bit self centered, a bit crazy,  how else could you possibly survive ?  in actual fact you have to be nuts to even think of becoming a photographer in the first place. :)

« Reply #698 on: November 12, 2011, 09:37 »
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it looks like that now I am the bad guy, sure not a problem 24 or 27 I can handle it

BUT as I said, I was called a nobody before

No youre not!  your OK!  but as they say, you have to be a bit self centered, a bit crazy,  how else could you possibly survive ?  in actual fact you have to be nuts to even think of becoming a photographer in the first place. :)

Sounds like the lyrics of a new country song :P

« Reply #699 on: November 14, 2011, 11:27 »
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Are large parts of the world still enjoying a long weekend?  Because my sales at IS are still deader than dead, having been in the tank for the previous week.  November is on track to be my WME, since the early days when I had only a handful of photos online.


 

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