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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2011, 05:57 »
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They were showing a photo on Sky TV when I turned the TV on at 7am this morning.

There's a photo here that looks like it was taken from the TV screen.  Don't look if your squeamish.  It looks like him but he looks a lot younger than I thought he would, the photo has been dropped from the TV, perhaps because they have doubts that it's real?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-photo-of-al-qaeda-leader-s-body-115875-23101910/

edit:- looks like a photoshop job. http://i.imgur.com/dSuE6.png


Hey, you are right.  Here are two crops next to each other (a little contrast added) . . . .  just look at the highlights in each image, they are exactly the same.  Taken from http://i.imgur.com/dSuE6.png
« Last Edit: May 02, 2011, 05:59 by etienjones »


« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2011, 06:20 »
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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2011, 06:24 »
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there are 'bout 150 million ppl in the world who would look like that in that condition...

Yes, but it is still clearly just a photoshop job.

I see that, that's not my point. Probably the whole thing is fake, and we will never-ever know.

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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2011, 06:41 »
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This is fishy as.  Anyone who doesn't question the US government in this case has a screw loose.  Come on, Osama was supposedly hiding for 10 years and he pops up in a major city in a mansion?  They found him in this mansion June 2010 and only just killed him?  He was shot in the head by a single bullet and no American was killed or injured, yet one of the four helicopters was shot down from the ground and crashed into the compound causing it to burn down?  They claim they have DNA evidence that it was Osama Bin Laden?  When did they gather this evidence? Before or after the compound was burnt down?  But they still managed to apparently withdraw Osamas body from the burning wreckage?  They bury his body at sea in such a hurry?  They apparently shoot this man in the head but respect him enough to give him an Islamic burial? 

I dont often get into conspiracy theories but nothing of this adds up at all.  Im betting Osama hasnt been seen for a decade or so and the US has no clue whether he is alive or dead.  The US economy is under turmoil and they cant afford to keep their troops in Afghanistan any longer so they need to come up with a body whether its real or not.  They would look pretty stupid having to admit that theyve been trying to find and kill someone who possibly isnt even alive... for over a decade!  The majority of Americans are gullible and will believe Obamas story.  I'm not having a go at Americans because it wouldn't be too difficult for Obama to convince them that they 'got him' when so much emotion is involved.  To top things off, Obama gets to be a hero and elected for another term :)

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« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2011, 07:13 »
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I agree that there's something fishy about it, but there always is with these things. The true details are always murky in covert ops.
I don't think the basic fact that he's dead (or that the US thinks he is) can be disputed. Al-Quaida would have kicked up a stink by now if he wasn't.
The political stink that finding him living it up in suburban Islamabad causes also makes me think it's all pretty much genuine
Anyone that thinks the Pakistan authorities didn't know he was there (very close to a military training academy) is crazy.

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« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2011, 07:36 »
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I agree that there's something fishy about it, but there always is with these things. The true details are always murky in covert ops.
I don't think the basic fact that he's dead (or that the US thinks he is) can be disputed. Al-Quaida would have kicked up a stink by now if he wasn't.
The political stink that finding him living it up in suburban Islamabad causes also makes me think it's all pretty much genuine
Anyone that thinks the Pakistan authorities didn't know he was there (very close to a military training academy) is crazy.

It all sounds like propaganda to me.  Perhaps the US government conveniently put fake Osama there as an excuse to go to war with Pakistan to retrieve nuclear weapons.  That's what I think is happening.

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« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2011, 07:38 »
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On a side note, the most astonishing thing about all of this is that twitter has not crashed  ;D

« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2011, 07:44 »
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If he were buried on land the location would become a shrine for all of Al Qaeda. Dumping his body into the ocean was the right move. I'm sure we'll get more proof in the coming days that it was actually him.

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« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2011, 07:59 »
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If he were buried on land the location would become a shrine for all of Al Qaeda. Dumping his body into the ocean was the right move. I'm sure we'll get more proof in the coming days that it was actually him.

Sure they could have dumped his body in the sea but what was the hurry?

Proof?  What proof?  How will we get proof now?  We have no body, the mansion has been conveniently burnt down.  The video footage they've just shown on CNN of the aftermath seems dodgy.  They claimed it was a 40 minute firefight but the room doesn't look messed up enough.  They're currently gathering DNA evidence?  lol, come on!  Did the US government at some stage manage to retrieve one of Osama's pubes from under a rock in a cave in Afghanistan back in 2001 in order to make that match?  Any 'proof' they come up with now will most likely be doctored like everything else seems to be.

« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2011, 08:36 »
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They were showing a photo on Sky TV when I turned the TV on at 7am this morning.

There's a photo here that looks like it was taken from the TV screen.  Don't look if your squeamish.  It looks like him but he looks a lot younger than I thought he would, the photo has been dropped from the TV, perhaps because they have doubts that it's real?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-photo-of-al-qaeda-leader-s-body-115875-23101910/

edit:- looks like a photoshop job. http://i.imgur.com/dSuE6.png

Hey, you are right.  Here are two crops next to each other (a little contrast added) . . . .  just look at the highlights in each image, they are exactly the same.  Taken from http://i.imgur.com/dSuE6.png

They removed the photo now.  Shame they didn't check it out properly before putting it on the website and showing it on TV.  It didn't look right but I suppose that's what happens with 24/7/365 news.

« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2011, 08:40 »
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If he were buried on land the location would become a shrine for all of Al Qaeda. Dumping his body into the ocean was the right move. I'm sure we'll get more proof in the coming days that it was actually him.

Sure they could have dumped his body in the sea but what was the hurry?

Proof?  What proof?  How will we get proof now?  We have no body, the mansion has been conveniently burnt down.  The video footage they've just shown on CNN of the aftermath seems dodgy.  They claimed it was a 40 minute firefight but the room doesn't look messed up enough.  They're currently gathering DNA evidence?  lol, come on!  Did the US government at some stage manage to retrieve one of Osama's pubes from under a rock in a cave in Afghanistan back in 2001 in order to make that match?  Any 'proof' they come up with now will most likely be doctored like everything else seems to be.
I think they have DNA from other family members.  There's no way it wasn't him, I think conspiracy theories are 99.9% made up and usually have much less evidence than the truth.

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« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2011, 08:49 »
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If he were buried on land the location would become a shrine for all of Al Qaeda. Dumping his body into the ocean was the right move. I'm sure we'll get more proof in the coming days that it was actually him.

Sure they could have dumped his body in the sea but what was the hurry?

Proof?  What proof?  How will we get proof now?  We have no body, the mansion has been conveniently burnt down.  The video footage they've just shown on CNN of the aftermath seems dodgy.  They claimed it was a 40 minute firefight but the room doesn't look messed up enough.  They're currently gathering DNA evidence?  lol, come on!  Did the US government at some stage manage to retrieve one of Osama's pubes from under a rock in a cave in Afghanistan back in 2001 in order to make that match?  Any 'proof' they come up with now will most likely be doctored like everything else seems to be.
I think they have DNA from other family members.  There's no way it wasn't him, I think conspiracy theories are 99.9% made up and usually have much less evidence than the truth.

As is anything that comes from a polititian's mouth.

"There's no way it wasn't him". 

So apart from Obama's word, what else makes you believe this with conviction? 

« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2011, 08:54 »
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If he weren't dead he would pop up in a video three days from now, waggling and admonishing finger at the US and discussing the headlines. Obama would look a complete fool if that happened. Ergo, he's dead. Whether he went down fighting or got a bullet after being captured (I can't imagine they wanted to put him on trial) is anybody's guess.

« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2011, 09:11 »
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OMG, people! It only just happened and it was a covert op. Give it time and more details will come out.

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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2011, 09:17 »
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If he weren't dead he would pop up in a video three days from now, waggling and admonishing finger at the US and discussing the headlines. Obama would look a complete fool if that happened. Ergo, he's dead. Whether he went down fighting or got a bullet after being captured (I can't imagine they wanted to put him on trial) is anybody's guess.


Not if he was already dead.  Remember this?

http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-government-had-osama-bin-laden-frozen-for-years/


Another interesting fact they've just revealed on CNN is that they found a bunch of computers with their harddrives ripped out.  Yet they had no internet.  I'm guessing bin laden was a hardcore vector illustrator.  It's quite possible he was planning to upload his portfolio on iStock before the Navy Seals came along and not only shot him down but also his life long dream.

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« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2011, 09:22 »
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OMG, people! It only just happened and it was a covert op. Give it time and more details will come out.


yaeh, all kinds of details that will make this a total mess. It's useless, we'll never know who the corpse is / what happened. NO way.

« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2011, 09:26 »
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OMG, people! It only just happened and it was a covert op. Give it time and more details will come out.

Yeah, but you can't actually trust the details. Remember the woman soldier who was captured by Saddam and after she was released full details of her heroism were released, only she spoiled it all by dismissing it as nonsense. Or the heroic way that US sporting hero died fighting Taliban warriors in Afghanistan, until they were forced to admit he was accidentally shot by one of his comrades.

The story that eventually comes out will be designed to fit whatever fantasy is considered most appropriate by the Pentagon/White House, without regard for whether or not it's true.

« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2011, 09:31 »
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« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2011, 09:32 »
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Another interesting fact they've just revealed on CNN is that they found a bunch of computers with their harddrives ripped out.  Yet they had no internet. 

So everyone who has a computer *has* to have internet?

« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2011, 09:34 »
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OMG, people! It only just happened and it was a covert op. Give it time and more details will come out.

Yeah, but you can't actually trust the details. Remember the woman soldier who was captured by Saddam and after she was released full details of her heroism were released, only she spoiled it all by dismissing it as nonsense. Or the heroic way that US sporting hero died fighting Taliban warriors in Afghanistan, until they were forced to admit he was accidentally shot by one of his comrades.


You are right. TWO instances of spin during 10 years of war most definitely proves that everything else is a lie.  ::)

« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2011, 09:37 »
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You people remind me of "The Birthers" who don't believe Obama was born in the US. No matter what evidence will be presented, you won't believe it. You can be called "The Deathers". LOL

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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2011, 09:40 »
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Another interesting fact they've just revealed on CNN is that they found a bunch of computers with their harddrives ripped out.  Yet they had no internet. 

So everyone who has a computer *has* to have internet?

Perhaps you missed the rest of the joke?

In any case though, I find it odd that the huge mansion had no internet and no phone yet all deliveries arrived by courier.  I can't imagine a terrorist running his operation that way ... maybe he sent for supplies via courier pigeon lol

« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2011, 09:43 »
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Perhaps you missed the rest of the joke?

In any case though, I find it odd that the huge mansion had no internet and no phone yet all deliveries arrived by courier.  I can't imagine a terrorist running his operation that way ... maybe he sent for supplies via courier pigeon lol

Nah, I didn't miss the joke.

There's a lot of things I can't imagine, doesn't mean they aren't real or didn't happen. For instance, I can't imagine killing millions of Jews or people flying planes into buildings. I'm sure Bin Laden know the minuted he connected to the internet he would be tracked. I'm not surprised at all at the low-tech approach. And who even knows what kind of active role he was even playing he was even playing anymore.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2011, 09:45 by caspixel »

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« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2011, 09:49 »
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You people remind me of "The Birthers" who don't believe Obama was born in the US. No matter what evidence will be presented, you won't believe it. You can be called "The Deathers". LOL

That's because they can't produce real evidence.  Even if they come up with DNA evidence, who investigated it?  The US governement.  There's no point comparing us to conspiracy theorists.  I don't normally get into them at all but this story just does not gel in any way.  They buried the body immediately and got rid of the only REAL evidence.  They had to have known that the people would want to see it.  They took video footage of the room afterwards so why didn't they take it while the body was still there?  The mansion was burning uncontrollably yet the room didn't look like it was effected in any way by the fire.  The fight lasted 40 minutes but the condition of the room didn't indicate this.  

There's nothing wrong with questioning something that sounds fishy.  I find it odd that people believe what politians, governments and the media say unconditionally... even when things obviously look odd or doctored.


 

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