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RAW

« on: November 06, 2018, 07:42 »
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Stop the HATE! - Get out and VOTE!


« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2018, 09:16 »
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Vote? For who?

ShadySue

« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2018, 09:20 »
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Vote? For who?
I think he's talking to USians, who have some sort of 'mid-term' vote today AIUI.

« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2018, 10:15 »
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I voted weeks ago. I don't know why everybody is still campaigning. :D

« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2018, 10:26 »
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Vote? For who?
I think he's talking to USians, who have some sort of 'mid-term' vote today AIUI.

It was a rhetorical question as both the Democrats and GOP seem as insane as each other at the moment  :o ;D

I like that term USians I must remember that  ;D

ShadySue

« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2018, 15:07 »
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Voter suppression continues, I see.  >:(

« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2018, 17:00 »
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I am a white male and told I could not vote as they have no record of me, After much arguing they found me :-)

« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2018, 21:13 »
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Voter suppression continues, I see.  >:(

You believe the lies

« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2018, 22:24 »
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Voter suppression continues, I see.  >:(

You believe the lies

Voter suppression laws are very real and very observable. It's hard to tell how much they affect the outcome of any election, but there are definitely targeted laws that affect specific groups of voters.

derek

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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2018, 03:04 »
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Not a fan of Trump and absolutely NOT Hillary but if I was american I would vote Republican!  the leftie/libs are as dizzy as a bunch of junkies!

ShadySue

« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2018, 04:29 »
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Voter suppression continues, I see.  >:(

You believe the lies
So you say that e.g. this isn't true:
https://tinyurl.com/yafwaofh


« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2018, 09:51 »
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Not a fan of Trump and absolutely NOT Hillary but if I was american I would vote Republican!  the leftie/libs are as dizzy as a bunch of junkies!

LOL. Are you sure you aren't American? That sounds like how we vote. :D

Noedelhap

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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2018, 10:17 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2018, 10:39 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats  :(

« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2018, 13:05 »
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Voter suppression continues, I see.  >:(

You believe the lies
So you say that e.g. this isn't true:
https://tinyurl.com/yafwaofh

You mean people with no address or ID should be able to vote? How do you register to vote where you are? No ID and no address required. The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed a lower court ruling that essentially protects the address requirement.

The GA law, Under HB 268, voters could still cast a ballot in an election as long as they registered in time within the 26-month period, even if they were flagged by the system. They would need to provide identification information to correct the discrepancy at the polls before voting, or they could cast a provisional ballot and provide the information to election officials afterward. If the registration information doesn't match they can correct at the polls. Registration information needs to match drivers license, state ID card or Social Security records. That's called unfair or targeting, asking that the persons ID matches the voter registration?

Good news, the democrats win seats will mean Trump is done. He's the reason why so many people got out to vote against him, his rants and his lies. If the republicans have any hope for 2020 Trump won't be on the ballot. A win for all America.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2018, 13:18 by YadaYadaYada »

« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2018, 13:36 »
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You mean people with no address or ID should be able to vote? How do you register to vote where you are? No ID and no address required. The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed a lower court ruling that essentially protects the address requirement.

If you live on a reservation that doesn't necessarily have street addresses, then registering to vote and a PO Box to mail your ballot to should work just fine. You don't need a picture ID to vote (especially since you really shouldn't even have to vote in person). All-Mail elections seem like a much simpler way to go. No hacking and no maintenance to garbage polling machines.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2018, 14:14 »
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You mean people with no address or ID should be able to vote? How do you register to vote where you are? No ID and no address required. The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed a lower court ruling that essentially protects the address requirement.

If you live on a reservation that doesn't necessarily have street addresses, then registering to vote and a PO Box to mail your ballot to should work just fine. You don't need a picture ID to vote (especially since you really shouldn't even have to vote in person). All-Mail elections seem like a much simpler way to go. No hacking and no maintenance to garbage polling machines.

Plus in the past, the tribal people have vouched for their own and allowed them to register. The US has a uniform address regulation, so fire and safety can find places in the case of emergency services, this is only an issue on tribal lands, where some are run in a friendly social setting, without numbers or street names.  :) And yes you are correct, a PO box (or the tribal town hall address also) would be acceptable and legal.

Sometimes I think people look for things to be wrong and like to complain, instead of working within the system using easy and available solutions.

All mail ballots, I'd be against. Sorry but mail gets lost or the famous "stuck in equipment" excuse. Fraud? I really like the in person event going to cast my vote locally. I walk in, give my name, they look at the ID, (two people have registers) hand me a slip for a ballot. I walk about a foot, hand the person the slip, someone else hands me a ballot. Four people sitting at tables, watching each other, dual entry, no monkey business.

I'm rural, but when I was in the city, there would be poll watchers from both parties, making sure that anyone who needed any assistance, had an advocate there. Also to monitor the voting for anything improper.

It's all kind of fun to watch.

msg2018

« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2018, 14:17 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats  :(

In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2018, 14:23 by msg2018 »

« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2018, 14:27 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats  :(

In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.

How little you understand how the EU works and yet you live there

The EU President as you called him is in fact the head of the EU commision

"Appointed by: national leaders (heads of state or government of EU countries), with the approval of the European Parliament." so no popular mandate there whatsoever.

Juncker is a technocrat who really should not have left in charge of things after the first time he appeared drunk on stage  :o

As to the POTUS well last I checked he was voted in i.e. elected

Noedelhap

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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2018, 14:28 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats  :(

Luckily, we're still autonomous, but EU's increasing regulations and desire for power is why I vote for a party that isn't pro-EU.

« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2018, 14:29 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats  :(

Luckily, we're still autonomous, but EU's increasing regulations and desire for power is why I vote for a party that isn't pro-EU.

Sadly its the Germans who run the EU which is their "historic destiny"  ;D

msg2018

« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2018, 14:35 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats  :(

In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.

How little you understand how the EU works and yet you live there

The EU President as you called him is in fact the head of the EU commision

"Appointed by: national leaders (heads of state or government of EU countries), with the approval of the European Parliament." so no popular mandate there whatsoever.

Juncker is a technocrat who really should not have left in charge of things after the first time he appeared drunk on stage  :o

As to the POTUS well last I checked he was voted in i.e. elected

You're right that there isn't a EU President. In fact, there are three (Council, Commission and Parliament), although the latter is mainly ceremonial.

Juncker is/was not drunk, he had a major road accident which still impacts his health.

The POTUS was voted in but not by you. By the Electors. In fact, had he been elected directly, he wouldn't be President, since he didn't get the majority of votes. Nothing wrong with that: these are the rules, and electoral colleges exist in many countries.

Every European country has the right to vote and influence EU policies. So we are not ruled by technocrats, we are ruled by our politicians, which in the end we chose. That's why I vote for parties that are pro-EU: so we can have a voice in Europe.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2018, 14:55 by msg2018 »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2018, 09:36 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats  :(

In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.

You skimmed over the details while nit picking electors, we voted popular vote for what the electors are supposed to vote.

We are not ruled by the President in the USA. With checks and balances, each of the three branches of government can limit the powers of the others. Legislative, Legal - the Supreme Court and The President. POTUS has much less power than some people imagine and can be overruled by the Legislative or the Legal branches. The President does NOT make laws, Legislative does, of course the President can issue Executive Orders. Which can be ruled illegal or improper by the legal branch.

We are ruled by the three branches of the government.

Shelma1

« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2018, 11:48 »
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The White House just shared doctored video of the Acosta incident that makes him look more aggressive. 2018 meets 1984.

« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2018, 12:00 »
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The White House just shared doctored video of the Acosta incident that makes him look more aggressive. 2018 meets 1984.

Quite plausible I think the Whitehouse stating he "laid" hands and used "inappropriate" behavior was complete baloney.  Acosta was pointing up at Trump and she barged into him to get that mic.


msg2018

« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2018, 14:55 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats  :(

In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.

You skimmed over the details while nit picking electors, we voted popular vote for what the electors are supposed to vote.

We are not ruled by the President in the USA. With checks and balances, each of the three branches of government can limit the powers of the others. Legislative, Legal - the Supreme Court and The President. POTUS has much less power than some people imagine and can be overruled by the Legislative or the Legal branches. The President does NOT make laws, Legislative does, of course the President can issue Executive Orders. Which can be ruled illegal or improper by the legal branch.

We are ruled by the three branches of the government.

Just a note: my message was in reply to someone (not you) who said that we Europeans are "ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats".

This is clearly untrue, and Juncker has certainly no more power than POTUS.

Mine is not an attack on America. I truly believe that both Europe and America are true democracies. Even when I disagree with electoral results.



« Last Edit: November 08, 2018, 14:57 by msg2018 »

nobody

« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2018, 16:40 »
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I voted but still feel the hate  :-[


« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2018, 16:57 »
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Acosta is very rude not just to Trump but Sarah as well, I have no pity for him and I would have ejected him long ago!! If you can not be a responsible reporter then get out, when the president, any president asks you t stop then do it! Acosta is like a 3 year old ask the same questions over and over again.

farbled

« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2018, 17:38 »
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Acosta is very rude not just to Trump but Sarah as well, I have no pity for him and I would have ejected him long ago!! If you can not be a responsible reporter then get out, when the president, any president asks you t stop then do it! Acosta is like a 3 year old ask the same questions over and over again.

That is literally his job. Ask until you get an answer.

« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2018, 19:12 »
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Being rude is not his job the others seem to get it!!

« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2018, 19:16 »
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Acosta is very rude not just to Trump but Sarah as well, I have no pity for him and I would have ejected him long ago!! If you can not be a responsible reporter then get out, when the president, any president asks you t stop then do it! Acosta is like a 3 year old ask the same questions over and over again.


And Trump isnt rude? Dont you think making fun of a handicapped person in front of reporters, cameras, the world, is rude? Cracks me up, the Trumpeteer logic.

« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2018, 19:59 »
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Trump is rude as well!! but Acosta is not great at his job! CNN should have replaced him long ago. People need to be civil and kind to one another and Trump is just as bad. We all need to look at the election map and see a sea of red with some blue pockets in the cities and realize that we all need to get along. Trump is not my idol or hero by any means, man needs to grow up but on some of his policies I do agree, not all but some.

« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2018, 20:06 »
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If Trump wants respect then he needs to show it to the press, and he doesnt. What goes around, comes around. POTUS is the ultimate position to be a leader and lead by example, and he should be held to a higher standard, but he acts about as low as you can get. Some of us dont call him our President.

« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2018, 20:08 »
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ACOSTA got what was coming.
Theres a way to be persistent as journalists, and then there are journalists like ACOSTA

ACOSTA la vista baby!

Shelma1

« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2018, 20:30 »
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Trump is rude as well!! but Acosta is not great at his job! CNN should have replaced him long ago. People need to be civil and kind to one another and Trump is just as bad. We all need to look at the election map and see a sea of red with some blue pockets in the cities and realize that we all need to get along. Trump is not my idol or hero by any means, man needs to grow up but on some of his policies I do agree, not all but some.

"As of October 2017, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrat, 24% identified as Republican, and 42% as Independent.[3] Additionally, polling showed that 46% are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" and 39% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners" when Independents are asked 'do you lean more to the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?'"

81% of Americans live in those "blue pockets." Stop kidding yourself with the "sea of red." The majority of Americans are Democrats or lean that way,

« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2018, 22:43 »
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Honestly, the majority of those White House reporters asked very similar or the same questions. That's how it works though. There are about a half dozen or less pressing questions and they ask them. It is sometimes with different angles on the issues, but nobody is really doing anything special or controversial. Pretty much every news network had their highlight reel from the press conference of the president yelling at them. Seems pretty fair and balanced. :D

« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2018, 23:13 »
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Voter suppression continues, I see.  >:(

You believe the lies

Voter suppression laws are very real and very observable. It's hard to tell how much they affect the outcome of any election, but there are definitely targeted laws that affect specific groups of voters.

gerrymandering is just the start of this one.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2018, 10:13 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.


In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats  :(


In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.


You skimmed over the details while nit picking electors, we voted popular vote for what the electors are supposed to vote.

We are not ruled by the President in the USA. With checks and balances, each of the three branches of government can limit the powers of the others. Legislative, Legal - the Supreme Court and The President. POTUS has much less power than some people imagine and can be overruled by the Legislative or the Legal branches. The President does NOT make laws, Legislative does, of course the President can issue Executive Orders. Which can be ruled illegal or improper by the legal branch.

We are ruled by the three branches of the government.


Just a note: my message was in reply to someone (not you) who said that we Europeans are "ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats".

This is clearly untrue, and Juncker has certainly no more power than POTUS.

Mine is not an attack on America. I truly believe that both Europe and America are true democracies. Even when I disagree with electoral results.


No No, I was only referring to the "In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS." We aren't ruled by the POTUS, we do in effect vote for him/her = nothing more. I know nothing of Juncker. Now for nit picking, USA is not a democracy it's a Representative Republic. But then again it is run in a democratic fashion and a democracy.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-united-states-of-america-is-a-democracy/

I still think we live in a democracy, but all that technical political jargon gets in the way.  ;D

RAW

« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2018, 11:21 »
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Trump's a scumbag. Do not be surprised when he does scumbaggy things.

(feel the love)

« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2018, 21:22 »
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I voted but still feel the hate  :-[



In Utah they were up late celebrating in the streets for the Med MJ turnout. Now we can let the theocracy ruin pot too. lol.

Being rude is not his job the others seem to get it!!

He wasn't rude, he was asking legitimate questions that needed answers. The other reporters ask the same questions. Trump is just biased against CNN anything not fox, and acts like an * to them. Really wouldn't expect that kind of behavior from anyone in public ... let alone the POTUS.

« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2018, 21:27 »
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If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.


In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats  :(


In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.


You skimmed over the details while nit picking electors, we voted popular vote for what the electors are supposed to vote.

We are not ruled by the President in the USA. With checks and balances, each of the three branches of government can limit the powers of the others. Legislative, Legal - the Supreme Court and The President. POTUS has much less power than some people imagine and can be overruled by the Legislative or the Legal branches. The President does NOT make laws, Legislative does, of course the President can issue Executive Orders. Which can be ruled illegal or improper by the legal branch.

We are ruled by the three branches of the government.


Just a note: my message was in reply to someone (not you) who said that we Europeans are "ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats".

This is clearly untrue, and Juncker has certainly no more power than POTUS.

Mine is not an attack on America. I truly believe that both Europe and America are true democracies. Even when I disagree with electoral results.


No No, I was only referring to the "In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS." We aren't ruled by the POTUS, we do in effect vote for him/her = nothing more. I know nothing of Juncker. Now for nit picking, USA is not a democracy it's a Representative Republic. But then again it is run in a democratic fashion and a democracy.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-united-states-of-america-is-a-democracy/

I still think we live in a democracy, but all that technical political jargon gets in the way.  ;D


You're both wrong, it's a bureaucracy.

« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2018, 05:39 »
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Trump is rude as well!! but Acosta is not great at his job! CNN should have replaced him long ago. People need to be civil and kind to one another and Trump is just as bad. We all need to look at the election map and see a sea of red with some blue pockets in the cities and realize that we all need to get along. Trump is not my idol or hero by any means, man needs to grow up but on some of his policies I do agree, not all but some.

"As of October 2017, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrat, 24% identified as Republican, and 42% as Independent.[3] Additionally, polling showed that 46% are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" and 39% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners" when Independents are asked 'do you lean more to the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?'"

81% of Americans live in those "blue pockets." Stop kidding yourself with the "sea of red." The majority of Americans are Democrats or lean that way,

Keep convincing yourself of the popular support and how your party is a majority or superior. Gallup poll doesn't win elections.
116th Congress, First Session (as of 11/7/2018)
51 Republicans
46 Democrats (2 Independents Sanders and King)
3 outstanding Senate races
House 115th Congress
235 Republicans
193 Democrats
7 Vacancies

Shelma1

« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2018, 08:31 »
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Thanks for pointing out how gerrymandering, voter suppression and other Republican shenanigans lead to a government that represents the minority rather than the majority...even when Democrats win more votes (see Gore; HR Clinton; the current race for governor of Georgia).

« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2018, 20:49 »
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Probably going to regret stopping by here, but here goes.

In my lifetime, Democrats have never lost an election. ever. Either they win, in which case, there is apparently no shenanigans or cheating, or they was some variation of cheating or other scandal. But lost? Never happened.

« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2018, 22:51 »
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Probably going to regret stopping by here, but here goes.

In my lifetime, Democrats have never lost an election. ever. Either they win, in which case, there is apparently no shenanigans or cheating, or they was some variation of cheating or other scandal. But lost? Never happened.

I'm pretty liberal, and I can't even agree with that. There are definitely a lot of shenanigans with voter suppression and gerrymandering, but people still vote the way they vote.

« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2018, 09:37 »
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Trump is rude as well!! but Acosta is not great at his job! CNN should have replaced him long ago. People need to be civil and kind to one another and Trump is just as bad. We all need to look at the election map and see a sea of red with some blue pockets in the cities and realize that we all need to get along. Trump is not my idol or hero by any means, man needs to grow up but on some of his policies I do agree, not all but some.

"As of October 2017, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrat, 24% identified as Republican, and 42% as Independent.[3] Additionally, polling showed that 46% are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" and 39% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners" when Independents are asked 'do you lean more to the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?'"

81% of Americans live in those "blue pockets." Stop kidding yourself with the "sea of red." The majority of Americans are Democrats or lean that way,

Stop kidding yourself 2010 brought the democrats a loss of 63 House seats, six Senate seats, over 20 governors. Once Trump gets dumped you are just as unpopular as ever. Send your lawyers, local vote manipulation, illegals, faked absentee ballots and dead people casting votes. That's the way the blue states are won.


 

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