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Phadrea

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« on: February 17, 2014, 04:54 »
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I am in a bit of a dilemma as I have a Nikon D200 which I have always been happy with. I would like to get into shooting stock footage and would appreciate any advice on a good SLR that can shoot video. Even better would be to use my D200 kit lens on a new Nikon body. The other way would be to get a dedicated video camera but I do like the idea of one camera doing both.

Thanks.


« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2014, 06:47 »
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Every single new generation of Nikon bodies does a better job.... even in photo than D200.

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2014, 08:07 »
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I am thinking towards the D610 as it does a great job of video. I just need to know if i can use my D200 kit lens with it.

« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2014, 08:37 »
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I am thinking towards the D610 as it does a great job of video. I just need to know if i can use my D200 kit lens with it.

I would avoid the D610 personally.  It has the same issues as the D600 with quick, high frequency sensor spot (some of it oil) problems.  Aside from that, it is an FX camera and your D200 likely has DX lenses for dropped sensors.  If you put a kit lens on the D600 it drops the MP to something like 10.3mp from 24mp.  That is still equivalent to the D200 though. Thus, if you want ful frame, you have to purchase FX lenses, adding a good chunk of doe to your purchase.  I went through D800's, D600's and finally settled for their highest end cropped sensor camera, the D7100.  I do have all the FX and DX lenses I now need, so I may upgrade later to an FX,  However, the sensors are getting so good that cropped is hard to let go of and if you are using wide lenses the DX lenses crop the soft edged automatically.  For my underwater work that is significant unless I can just get water only on my edges.  The video is very nice with the D7100.  Botht he D610 and the D7100 do not handle low light luminance noise very well unless the exposure is spot on.  Tweaking the mid tone, shadow areas in PS will exacerbate the issue so you will need to use your luminance reduction.  All of this is at 100% of course.  Also, for video, I have found that the D7100 (and probably the D610) can be set to ISO 300 with no noticeable quality problem to the video giving you more exposure flexibility while shooting.  Just make sure the exposure is accurate when you shoot.

Hope that helps.

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2014, 08:53 »
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I have D7100 and apart from live view aperture issue it does a great job for video but as owner of both Canon and Nikon bodies I think Canon 60D,70D or 5Dm2 are slightly better for video than Nikons. They're all good DSLRs and I believe lens is more important :)
Whatever you choose from the list above you won't regret.
 

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2014, 09:06 »
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Have a look at this list;

http://www.eoshd.com/content/11982/video-quality-charts-february-2014

The new D5300 is shown as the highest ranked Nikon.

(-)

. No autofocus with lenses other than AF-S
. Pop up flash can not be used as commander

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. 60p
. Articulated LCD

« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2014, 10:04 »
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I have D7100 and apart from live view aperture issue it does a great job for video but as owner of both Canon and Nikon bodies I think Canon 60D,70D or 5Dm2 are slightly better for video than Nikons. They're all good DSLRs and I believe lens is more important :)
Whatever you choose from the list above you won't regret.

Yea I hate that. You would think that a firmware upgrade would fix it. But that's Nikon.

fritz

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2014, 10:31 »
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I don't think so! Firmware upgrade won't solve the problem.
Oh, I forgot no DSLR on the market can beat the Canon RAW video. Amazing video quality even on "old" Canon 50D without video feature
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 10:47 by fritz »

« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2014, 10:46 »
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Im happy with what I have, namely the nikon d 600, with spots and all.
And I had 2 d 200s before that.
If your kitlens ( which one?) says DX on it, you cannot use it without loosing pixels. It will work, but it will crop the image.

I have not taken many videos, but here are a couple.

http://www.stolt.dk/images/Icy%20coast%201.MOV
or
http://www.stolt.dk/images/blizzard.MOV

I think that the nikon d 600 has a huge video potential.

DC


« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2014, 11:04 »
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Im happy with what I have, namely the nikon d 600, with spots and all.
And I had 2 d 200s before that.
If your kitlens ( which one?) says DX on it, you cannot use it without loosing pixels. It will work, but it will crop the image.

I have the D610 myself and love it.

Losing pixels with a DX lens isn't entirely true.  If you zoom in a little there is no need to crop.  I used the Tokina 11-16 DX lens on my D7000 and D90 before that.  I love shooting really wide angle shots but I didn't have the money to get a FX wide angle lens when I got the D610.  For now I am still using the 11-16 and as long as I shoot at 16mm there is no need to crop.  The corners can be pretty soft, but it still works for stock and I'm getting some pretty good sellers with it for now while I save up for something else.

« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2014, 11:09 »
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Im happy with what I have, namely the nikon d 600, with spots and all.
And I had 2 d 200s before that.
If your kitlens ( which one?) says DX on it, you cannot use it without loosing pixels. It will work, but it will crop the image.


I have the D610 myself and love it.

Losing pixels with a DX lens isn't entirely true.  If you zoom in a little there is no need to crop.  I used the Tokina 11-16 DX lens on my D7000 and D90 before that.  I love shooting really wide angle shots but I didn't have the money to get a FX wide angle lens when I got the D610.  For now I am still using the 11-16 and as long as I shoot at 16mm there is no need to crop.  The corners can be pretty soft, but it still works for stock and I'm getting some pretty good sellers with it for now while I save up for something else.

I didnt know that.
For wide angle I recommend the sigma 14 mm 2,8. its really wide, you get the tripod and your feet in the frame all the time. And it is sharp. It might be sigmas best lens.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 11:24 by JPSDK »

Phadrea

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2014, 13:55 »
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Thanks. My budget for now, and really only microstock would be the D610. The issue with the oil was cleared up with this model from the D600.

Has anyone got the kit lens with the D610 and if so, is it good ?

Thanks again for comments.

« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2014, 13:57 »
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Thanks. My budget for now, and really only microstock would be the D610. The issue with the oil was cleared up with this model from the D600.

Has anyone got the kit lens with the D610 and if so, is it good ?

Thanks again

Good luck.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 14:03 by Mantis »

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2014, 15:12 »
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Has anyone got the kit lens with the D610 and if so, is it good ?

Thanks again for comments.


The 24-85mm VR is the worst Nikon lens that I have bought :(
This does not mean that it is very bad, just that I am not satisfied with it.
Not sharp enough for my taste. But what can you expect from a cheap lens?
Btw Ken Rockwell likes it and says that it is very sharp ( lol )
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/24-85mm-vr.htm

If you want a good equivalent lens you should take the 24-70 mm f/2.8, but it costs almost like the camera
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/24-70mm.htm

« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 15:39 by Beppe Grillo »

« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2014, 20:08 »
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Beppe... Have you taken into consideration, what the anti moire filter on the d 600 sensor does to sharpness on 100%?

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2014, 04:05 »
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Beppe... Have you taken into consideration, what the anti moire filter on the d 600 sensor does to sharpness on 100%?

Anti moire filter?
Do you mean Anti aliasing filter?

Btw all my other lenses (except the D 300 kit lens) are sharp on the D610.
The (my) 24-85mm VR is not sharp even on other my Nikon cameras (D70 - D300)
Maybe it is a problem of this specific (my) lens?

Phadrea

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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2014, 07:38 »
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Ok, I will avoid the kit lens but would my Nikkor AF-S 18-70mm lens work ok with a D610 ?

« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2014, 10:30 »
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Does it have DX typed with gold letters on it, then NO.

« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2014, 10:35 »
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Beppe... Have you taken into consideration, what the anti moire filter on the d 600 sensor does to sharpness on 100%?

Anti moire filter?
Do you mean Anti aliasing filter?

Btw all my other lenses (except the D 300 kit lens) are sharp on the D610.
The (my) 24-85mm VR is not sharp even on other my Nikon cameras (D70 - D300)
Maybe it is a problem of this specific (my) lens?
No, i mean anti moire,  i read an article about pixels, moire and full frame sensors once. But i have forgotten all but the conclusion: that nikon put a blur artefact filter into the image processor to avoid moire from the sensor... BECAUSE no customers would buy the camera if it was notorious for moire (Which you can see even in small sizes on small screens)
But again. I have forgotten and dont know what Im talking about.

Phadrea

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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2014, 02:03 »
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You would think all Nikon lenses would be universal fitting all cameras. Think I will stick with the D200 and invest in a cheaper HD video camera then.

« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2014, 07:09 »
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You would think all Nikon lenses would be universal fitting all cameras. Think I will stick with the D200 and invest in a cheaper HD video camera then.

Lens backward compatibility is actually one of Nikon greatest strengths.   Your 18-70mm will work on a D610, but you will need to shoot in DX mode (10 megapixels) or you can shoot in FX mode (24 megapixels)  but your still images will likely suffer moderate to severe vignette in FX mode when shooting at the wider angles (18mm) and probably poor corner sharpness at all focal lengths.     

If you want to stick with your current lens and add video, you might want to consider a DX body such as a D7100 or perhaps better companion for this lens would be lightly used D7000.  These cameras have the same sensor format (DX) as the D200 for which your lens was designed around.   
« Last Edit: February 19, 2014, 07:19 by SHSPhotography »

Phadrea

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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2014, 11:59 »
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You would think all Nikon lenses would be universal fitting all cameras. Think I will stick with the D200 and invest in a cheaper HD video camera then.

Lens backward compatibility is actually one of Nikon greatest strengths.   Your 18-70mm will work on a D610, but you will need to shoot in DX mode (10 megapixels) or you can shoot in FX mode (24 megapixels)  but your still images will likely suffer moderate to severe vignette in FX mode when shooting at the wider angles (18mm) and probably poor corner sharpness at all focal lengths.     

If you want to stick with your current lens and add video, you might want to consider a DX body such as a D7100 or perhaps better companion for this lens would be lightly used D7000.  These cameras have the same sensor format (DX) as the D200 for which your lens was designed around.

Wow that's great thanks. Yes, if i can use these lenses and have Hd video for a lot cheaper that will be great. The bonus is it will be an improvement on the D200 too.

« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2014, 12:26 »
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Both do HD video, but the D7100 has 1080p @ 60fps, where the D7000 tops out at 1080p 24fps.

Since HD video performance is a major consideration, the D7100 might be worth the extra money, although I consider a slightly used D7000 better value for the money overall, and a better match for your 18-70mm kit lens.

For what it is worth, I've owned  3 D7000's (still have one) and have a D7100 so am speaking first hand.   

Phadrea

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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2014, 03:21 »
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Slightly used D7000 ? Not sure what you mean. Surely a new one would be better unless you mean they are only second hand.

Funny enough the rating for the video side of the D7000 is better than the D7100 according to digital photography review website.

« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2014, 07:17 »
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Slightly used D7000 ? Not sure what you mean. Surely a new one would be better unless you mean they are only second hand.

Funny enough the rating for the video side of the D7000 is better than the D7100 according to digital photography review website.

They still sell them new if you prefer.  I mentioned slightly used because the D7000 second hand market is saturated and you can grab them at great deals, saving a couple of hundred dollars over a new one. 

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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2014, 04:05 »
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Ok, thanks again for that. If I will notice a marked improvement in my images with a D7000 from a D200 I might make the purchase. Otherwise I can just go for the cheaper option of a dedicated good HD video camera.

Phadrea

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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2014, 13:59 »
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Just an update to my pondering. I have been advised by stock video makers that the Canon T3i is excellent for HD video and good still image quality. Would this be better quality than my Nikon D200 ?

fritz

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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2014, 14:08 »
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Nikon d200 can not take video,if you want that feature I would suggest Canon T3i or Canon 60D. Excellent HD video quality especially with prime lens.

Phadrea

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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2014, 14:57 »
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Thanks Fritz. I already have the D200 but after using it for over 7 years it's become limited.

For the lens with the Canon T3i, would something like the sigma 17-70mm a good choice ? It seems better than the kit lens.

fritz

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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2014, 15:56 »
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Well Sigma 17-70mm F2.8-4 DC MACRO OS HSM it's not perfect but better, much better than kit lens 18-55. If you use Canon T3i mainly for video than prime lens is first choice like inexpensive Canon EF 50mm F1.8 II, Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM, Canon EF 35mm F2.0 or Canon EF 50mm F2.5 Macro.
Whatever you choose you won't mistake they are excellent especially Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM.
Highly recommended, won't get better lens for the price and image quality is simply amazing. 
Check out
http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews?sort=rating

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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2014, 16:54 »
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Ok, will do. The reason I was looking at the Sigma is because i want to avoid changing lenses for every different shot thus limiting dust as well as the hasstle. I am used to using my kit lens for the Nikon.

Phadrea

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« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2014, 12:36 »
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Or the Canon  EF 24-105 mm ?

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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2014, 04:41 »
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I have decided on the Canon 24-105 lens for a good all rounder for video and photos but I am not quite sure weather to go for a full frame Canon that shoots video. The reason being for my creative landscapes etc. Kill 2 birds with one stone and get a decent stills camera. The 600D (not sure why people call it a T3i) looks a great camera for the money BUT you lose so much of the wide angle because of the smaller sensor. Decisions decisions !

Ron

« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2014, 04:47 »
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I have decided on the Canon 24-105 lens for a good all rounder for video and photos but I am not quite sure weather to go for a full frame Canon that shoots video. The reason being for my creative landscapes etc. Kill 2 birds with one stone and get a decent stills camera. The 600D (not sure why people call it a T3i) looks a great camera for the money BUT you lose so much of the wide angle because of the smaller sensor. Decisions decisions !
Canon names the same models differently for Europe, USA and ASIA.

« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2017, 09:53 »
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Not an SLR as such but I have been happy using a Panasonic G6 Micro 4/3 camera for video. It offers full manual exposure control (including iso) during video mode. It records in HD video (later Panasonic models can record in 4k.) Another great thing about these mirrorless cameras is you can use heaps of old, manual film lenses with adaptors (35mm format, medium format etc.) I regularly use Canon FD lenses with my G6.

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