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« on: September 11, 2016, 20:24 »
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2016, 22:53 »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGp3JXKtHBM
I watched the presentation and have to agree. Personally sold all my Canon gear in favour of Panasonic.

gyllens

« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2016, 00:06 »
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Haha!  maybe for stock photography but you try and do commissioned, assignment work and show the client or art director youre shooting with a smart-phone. You would be replaced within five seconds.
However I do agree with you in this world of micro-stock I'm not sure it matters anymore and especially when quality have been replaced by quantity. Who cares?

« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2016, 10:52 »
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I don't know why the camera manufacturers haven't used amdroid more.  There's a few cameras using android but not many.  Then they could have apps like instagram, snapchat etc. on the camera.  I use dropbox to backup my phone photos, would be great to be able to use that on my camera.

Sony and Olympus have tried cameras that use a smartphone for the screen and connect wireless but they didn't do a good job.

« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2016, 11:04 »
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I don't know why the camera manufacturers haven't used amdroid more.  There's a few cameras using android but not many.  Then they could have apps like instagram, snapchat etc. on the camera.  I use dropbox to backup my phone photos, would be great to be able to use that on my camera.

Sony and Olympus have tried cameras that use a smartphone for the screen and connect wireless but they didn't do a good job.
I've used the Panasonic GH4 for shooting interiors for clients. I had it  connected to an iPad via WiFi and they totally loved it. Previews are huge, no one has to bend around and try make out what is happening in a teeny screen. You can use the iPad as shutter release, focus, etc etc. They can see the shot after it's taken, okay it and move on.

« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2016, 11:08 »
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Maybe the the camera manufacturers should add a phone in their dslr :p

« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2016, 11:14 »
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Maybe the the camera manufacturers should add a phone in their dslr :p
It isn't just phones that use android and ios.  My tablet doesn't have a phone but it has a lot more photo sharing apps than my camera.

« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2016, 14:14 »
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Haha!  maybe for stock photography but you try and do commissioned, assignment work and show the client or art director youre shooting with a smart-phone. You would be replaced within five seconds.
However I do agree with you in this world of micro-stock I'm not sure it matters anymore and especially when quality have been replaced by quantity. Who cares?

heh heh, it's like the scene of the wedding photographer when dslr came out,
john's cousin ask why we need to pay a "pro" when albert has the same camera
and a bigger lense.

so you see a repeat, except this time, the manager ask the art director ,
"whatderfark did you have to hire this clown when you have the same smart-phone???"

but in all seriousness, i am glad in a way that i can use my grand-child's smart phone
to shoot for shutterstock, since that way, i won't grumble earning 35 dollars a month
if this IT screwup of missing portfolio and lost sales continue!
« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 14:18 by etudiante_rapide »

« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2016, 15:48 »
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I don't know why the camera manufacturers haven't used amdroid more.  There's a few cameras using android but not many.  Then they could have apps like instagram, snapchat etc. on the camera.  I use dropbox to backup my phone photos, would be great to be able to use that on my camera.

Sony and Olympus have tried cameras that use a smartphone for the screen and connect wireless but they didn't do a good job.
I've used the Panasonic GH4 for shooting interiors for clients. I had it  connected to an iPad via WiFi and they totally loved it. Previews are huge, no one has to bend around and try make out what is happening in a teeny screen. You can use the iPad as shutter release, focus, etc etc. They can see the shot after it's taken, okay it and move on.

You can easily do the same with Canon and a $30 credit card size TP-Link WiFi access point.
But I give you it is more convenient to have it embedded in the camera.

« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2016, 20:23 »
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I don't know why the camera manufacturers haven't used amdroid more.  There's a few cameras using android but not many.  Then they could have apps like instagram, snapchat etc. on the camera.  I use dropbox to backup my phone photos, would be great to be able to use that on my camera.

Sony and Olympus have tried cameras that use a smartphone for the screen and connect wireless but they didn't do a good job.

We're all wondering about this.  I think the camera companies just don't have the engineering resources to make this happen.  The Android group probably supports phones to the max and supplies a complete platform kit for anyone wanting to make a phone. A camera is a different game and would require a lot more software development which companies like Sony and Nikon aren't able to do.  They're just not big enough, and they're not software companies.

gyllens

« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2016, 00:51 »
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Personally when I'm out shooting stock or on assignment I don't want some silly phones in camera or other stupid android hokus pokus. I dont even take a mobile with me. I don't want to be reached or disturbed let alone talk or make conversation. Just want to come back home with good shots.

« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2016, 02:54 »
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Maybe the the camera manufacturers should add a phone in their dslr :p
It isn't just phones that use android and ios.  My tablet doesn't have a phone but it has a lot more photo sharing apps than my camera.

I just try to imagine a dslr able to send the photos directly on a remote server.
For example a reporter or a sport photographer could send the photos in real time to the publisher he works with, automatically from the camera, without needing to transfer the photos on a phone, a tablet or a computer.

« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2016, 03:03 »
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The dream for consumers it is to have from a small piece results of DSLR quality, with which they can play after, or use directly. It is not there yet, but will come. And many physical limitations of a small piece will keep market of DSLR alive very long time more, but shrinked. And current smartphones are very good often because user will never see at 100% on his screen. Small prints hide the problems too. Anyway i will not risk to shoot wedding with a smartphone, but often provide such photos additionally if quality is acceptable.

« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2016, 05:16 »
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Apps to apes.

Social media (& vanity it feeds) is death also to humanity. Just look at people walking with their eyes glued on the phone.
See the human evolution going reverse & posture dropping back to the chimp style.


« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2016, 07:28 »
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I don't know why the camera manufacturers haven't used amdroid more.  There's a few cameras using android but not many.  Then they could have apps like instagram, snapchat etc. on the camera.  I use dropbox to backup my phone photos, would be great to be able to use that on my camera.

Sony and Olympus have tried cameras that use a smartphone for the screen and connect wireless but they didn't do a good job.

We're all wondering about this.  I think the camera companies just don't have the engineering resources to make this happen.  The Android group probably supports phones to the max and supplies a complete platform kit for anyone wanting to make a phone. A camera is a different game and would require a lot more software development which companies like Sony and Nikon aren't able to do.  They're just not big enough, and they're not software companies.

I think it doesn't have to be that hard. They just need to allow us to put our phone in place of our screen on camera that will be connected to work as screen and to store images directly on phone. Maybe taking one picture will take a little bit longer time but I think it could be possible to do.

« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2016, 07:34 »
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It isn't going to be that way round. Cameras on phones will continue to improve until standalone cameras are defunct for most professional uses. Lenses will fit on phones for a while where necessary until they think of a way around that too.


« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2016, 07:43 »
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I find i cant hold a phone properly for taking photos - the phones are so thin and flat its hard to grip it and try not to get your fingers in the way.


« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2016, 07:48 »
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Apps to apes.

Social media (& vanity it feeds) is death also to humanity. Just look at people walking with their eyes glued on the phone.
See the human evolution going reverse & posture dropping back to the chimp style.

So true!!

Last Sunday I was walking with my wife in a very nice park close to the river; a quiet place, with nice trees, flowers, soft green lawn, birds singing, fishermen close to the water, and the sun caressing our skin.

We decided to take attention to people using their mobile phone.
Some were sitting in a bench reading or typing on their phones.
Some other were doing the same thing, but walking.
Other were just using it just to speak.

But what we have found very surprising was that 80% or 90% of the people around were using their phone!!

Sheep Different!


« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2016, 07:55 »
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Personally when I'm out shooting stock or on assignment I don't want some silly phones in camera or other stupid android hokus pokus. I dont even take a mobile with me. I don't want to be reached or disturbed let alone talk or make conversation. Just want to come back home with good shots.

but that's you , gyllens!!!
we discussed this at our last family reunion only last week. my eldest was complaining how old she felt sitting in a bus or whatnot and be the only one not having her head stuck to a smartphone .
she complains it's either ipod or giant cans before, and now it's a park full of kids doing whatyoucallit
and grownup with smartphone waiting for an emal from a friend.

she says, why wait for a reply from that invisible friend when there are tons of lonely people
sitting next to you or walking by you every single minute doing the same thing...???
waiting for an email from that invisible friend

the world has come to be infatuated by an invisible friend with a face shaped like a smartphone.

« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2016, 07:56 »
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Apps to apes.

Social media (& vanity it feeds) is death also to humanity. Just look at people walking with their eyes glued on the phone.
See the human evolution going reverse & posture dropping back to the chimp style.

So true!!

Last Sunday I was walking with my wife in a very nice park close to the river; a quiet place, with nice trees, flowers, soft green lawn, birds singing, fishermen close to the water, and the sun caressing our skin.

We decided to take attention to people using their mobile phone.
Some were sitting in a bench reading or typing on their phones.
Some other were doing the same thing, but walking.
Other were just using it just to speak.

But what we have found very surprising was that 80% or 90% of the people around were using their phone!!

Sheep Different!

wow, ESP...
i was just typing the previous comment when you sent this.
i will print your comment and give it to my eldest;
she will be happy to realise she is not alone .

« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2016, 08:05 »
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Personally when I'm out shooting stock or on assignment I don't want some silly phones in camera or other stupid android hokus pokus. I dont even take a mobile with me. I don't want to be reached or disturbed let alone talk or make conversation. Just want to come back home with good shots.

but that's you , gyllens!!!
we discussed this at our last family reunion only last week. my eldest was complaining how old she felt sitting in a bus or whatnot and be the only one not having her head stuck to a smartphone .
she complains it's either ipod or giant cans before, and now it's a park full of kids doing whatyoucallit
and grownup with smartphone waiting for an emal from a friend.

she says, why wait for a reply from that invisible friend when there are tons of lonely people
sitting next to you or walking by you every single minute doing the same thing...???
waiting for an email from that invisible friend

the world has come to be infatuated by an invisible friend with a face shaped like a smartphone.
Mixed feeling.
Here is the same, people prefer remote communication. Do they feel themselves more physically secure with online communication than with real one?

« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2016, 08:08 »
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Apps to apes.

Social media (& vanity it feeds) is death also to humanity. Just look at people walking with their eyes glued on the phone.
See the human evolution going reverse & posture dropping back to the chimp style.

Not to mention the level of intelligence going down, i.e. one word answers or grunts while staring at said phone, writing and spelling skills deteriorating, etc.  ::)

« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2016, 09:11 »
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Mixed feeling.
Here is the same, people prefer remote communication. Do they feel themselves more physically secure with online communication than with real one?

this is different. we are "communicating" with others globally.
i was referring to ppl in the same city, town, block,... even walking around side by side...
on a date (actually happening )...
they don't utter a single word or face each other,
they walk side by side (on a date) but both spend their face in the smartphone
instead of conversing with each other.

you walk in to mcD and sit next to them, they actually still, not look at each other,
but both looking and responding to someone else??? maybe.. or LOL to each other..
on the smartphone.

i once, at the start of emails, also had a friend who would email his friends living next door.
i asked him why don't you just meet and talk???
(it's no better today)

« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2016, 09:13 »
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Apps to apes.

Social media (& vanity it feeds) is death also to humanity. Just look at people walking with their eyes glued on the phone.
See the human evolution going reverse & posture dropping back to the chimp style.

Not to mention the level of intelligence going down, i.e. one word answers or grunts while staring at said phone, writing and spelling skills deteriorating, etc.  ::)

LOL, i would consider myself lucky if i even got a grunt !!!
if i get a "have a nice day and a smile!" i would be jumping for joy that i actually
got a reaction from these cyborgs???
they make those botox faces look smiling

« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2016, 09:19 »
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I don't know why the camera manufacturers haven't used amdroid more.  There's a few cameras using android but not many.  Then they could have apps like instagram, snapchat etc. on the camera.  I use dropbox to backup my phone photos, would be great to be able to use that on my camera.

Sony and Olympus have tried cameras that use a smartphone for the screen and connect wireless but they didn't do a good job.
I've used the Panasonic GH4 for shooting interiors for clients. I had it  connected to an iPad via WiFi and they totally loved it. Previews are huge, no one has to bend around and try make out what is happening in a teeny screen. You can use the iPad as shutter release, focus, etc etc. They can see the shot after it's taken, okay it and move on.

You can easily do the same with Canon and a $30 credit card size TP-Link WiFi access point.
But I give you it is more convenient to have it embedded in the camera.
I looked into these and could see some benefit but couldn't find an app as slick as Panasonic's for operation. Each of us has different requirements and Canon and Nikon have failed to meet mine. Panasonic was one of my last choices in systems and yet it's what I shoot on these days.

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