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« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2017, 17:12 »
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1 OD in 24 days and 7 zero days, 80% down on any other month in the last 7 years. Think the've thrown my stuff out.


« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2017, 02:23 »
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Well if the conspiracy theories are thrown out then perhaps
SS have lost a ton of customers

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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2017, 13:55 »
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Well if the conspiracy theories are thrown out then perhaps
SS have lost a ton of customers

Highly likely thats exactly whats happening.

« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2017, 15:37 »
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Well if the conspiracy theories are thrown out then perhaps
SS have lost a ton of customers

Highly likely thats exactly whats happening.

These things happen overnight.  It's not customers that drive this royalty behavior in that short of time.  If anything they are playing with the search to yield some kind of strategic outcome.  I would say that this is the most likely scenario because it's one of the levers they can easily manipulate and measure.  If this is the case, some will win and some will lose until the next time, depending on the criteria they use in the search adjustment.

« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2017, 16:40 »
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I must say that so far this month SS has been on fire for me (but I do 98% video).
I am already at equal BME with a week to go and the other agencies have been below average, so SS has been sensational.
I expect zero sales next week though, because this is the usual behavior: after three weeks on fire you get one with zero sales

« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2017, 08:07 »
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Well if the conspiracy theories are thrown out then perhaps
SS have lost a ton of customers

Highly likely thats exactly whats happening.

it's seems all agency apart stock have lost tons of customer...people can easily find images free anywhere nowadays from flickr to instagram, that's another problem.

« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2017, 09:06 »
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Well if the conspiracy theories are thrown out then perhaps
SS have lost a ton of customers

Highly likely thats exactly whats happening.

it's seems all agency apart stock have lost tons of customer...people can easily find images free anywhere nowadays from flickr to instagram, that's another problem.

thursday best ever day in ss....with my first video sales with just 20 clips...then 4 days appalling...yesterday zero sales, first time ever in ss, today worst than saturday so far....i'm sure i  will have another day crap then 2 days good one medium two crap to end month with just my quote of earning....and is like this since march 2016....if i had a crap month after one super sometimes followed by 2 3 normal it will be ok...the fact that practically every month behavior is the same makes me think that i have a quote of earning i can't overcome no matter what i upload.
when u see same pattern every month , month after month, you understand that no matter what..

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« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2017, 12:27 »
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Actually Jonbull!  that could be true. Istock is really climbing back and it could be that we are watching a change here!  could be that Istock is gaining buyers from agencies such as SS and Adobe etc etc!  just could be?  almost everyone I know is seeing a huge rise in earnings at IS. Something is up thats for sure.

Maybe they have finally realized that looking after independents and long time members is the way to go.

« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2017, 13:25 »
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Actually Jonbull!  that could be true. Istock is really climbing back and it could be that we are watching a change here!  could be that Istock is gaining buyers from agencies such as SS and Adobe etc etc!  just could be?  almost everyone I know is seeing a huge rise in earnings at IS. Something is up thats for sure.

Maybe they have finally realized that looking after independents and long time members is the way to go.

i had a fall back in may compared to april but i see they sell...i'm growing my collection and i'm experiencing an improve  in stock, also ss is bette than 2016.my complaint is that i would like to see a better increase, faster...but i have to say that i uploaded 1000 content this year in ss and they are giving me  95 dollar monthly so far ....so while i thought new content don't sell actually they are selling. so far they are selling like 0,50 cent for content...if they continue
anyway my june 2017 is 50% more than june 2016%, i'm shooting and uploading much more since 2016 and this show results, also i moved from more editorial to creative content.

today after i complaint 4 single in a row in ss...3 for 4,2 dollar.
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« Reply #59 on: June 27, 2017, 09:27 »
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Actually Jonbull!  that could be true. Istock is really climbing back and it could be that we are watching a change here!  could be that Istock is gaining buyers from agencies such as SS and Adobe etc etc!  just could be?  almost everyone I know is seeing a huge rise in earnings at IS. Something is up thats for sure.

Maybe they have finally realized that looking after independents and long time members is the way to go.
I doubt that.  Many of us have left istock, not surprising that those remaining are selling more but that probably wont last long.

« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2017, 07:51 »
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Actually Jonbull!  that could be true. Istock is really climbing back and it could be that we are watching a change here!  could be that Istock is gaining buyers from agencies such as SS and Adobe etc etc!  just could be?  almost everyone I know is seeing a huge rise in earnings at IS. Something is up thats for sure.

Maybe they have finally realized that looking after independents and long time members is the way to go.
I doubt that.  Many of us have left istock, not surprising that those remaining are selling more but that probably wont last long.

i doubt...according to alexa the stock is doing better than other micro stock...simply more customer are browsing the collection...byt he way my rperdownload is 0,75, much better than fotolia for example. i hope every complainer will left stock if this are the results.

« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2017, 06:25 »
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Congrats! That is very good news to hear.

In a recent thread there were conspiracies of "capped earnings" - when you reach a certain point they turn your port off.

Let us know how the rest of your June goes so we can help prove or disprove these theories :) Will sales keep going great or fall off the cliff.
I think people carrying on believing what they want to believe.....good sales = "I'm a brilliant photographer" bad sales=  "SS have a vendetta against experienced/high earning/American/new content"

Angela, I like your stubborn artistic style, really. I'm not a conspiracy theorist of capped earnings, I'm highly paid IT engineer, specialist for BI and data mining. I am trained to recognize those patterns because my daily job is to do the similar things for some big internet retail companies.

Btw, in case you didn't read his answer here it is from another thread:

"i scraped bme, but 85% of my earnings happened in the first 12 days, the other 15% of the earnings took 18 days. absolute car crash, not complaining i made bme, but had the rate of the first 12 days continued then i would probably have doubled my bme. they tweaked the search in the first part of the month which benefited me, and then it was switched off again. probably a test or something. i remember an old thread where people came in happy reporting a spike in earnings and ss came in and said it was a mistake, an algorithm went live that wasnt supposed to go live, so there you go"
« Last Edit: July 08, 2017, 07:24 by Android Marvin (formerly mb) »

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« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2017, 09:38 »
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We don't have enough highly paid engineers on this forum  ;D
« Last Edit: July 08, 2017, 09:56 by niktol »

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« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2017, 13:05 »
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No we dont!  and neither does SS. In fact I recon the SS engineers construct their algorithms after getting zozzled in the Pub! I am sure of it.

« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2017, 14:38 »
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Time to open a new thread: July algorithm change?

« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2017, 18:27 »
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Time to open a new thread: July algorithm change?

June=july....horrible. No need for a new thread .....lol

« Reply #66 on: July 09, 2017, 12:54 »
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Agree, there is no need for a new thread because algorythm could be changed constantly.
It also could be tested locally on some "samples" (read: contributors and/or customers) and then applied globally.
Maybe it will be better to open "Data mining for dummies" thread if there are enough members interested in that.
As example:
After association rules learning (which is for example contributors behaviour), anomaly detection task kick in every time when something unusual happened.
That unusual could be contributors unexpected income which is treating like a data error and must be corrected in according to association rules.
In short, for every unexpected sales, most of the time you will be punished in the next period.
End of lesson one.


« Reply #67 on: July 09, 2017, 13:08 »
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Agree, there is no need for a new thread because algorythm could be changed constantly.
It also could be tested locally on some "samples" (read: contributors and/or customers) and then applied globally.
Maybe it will be better to open "Data mining for dummies" thread if there are enough members interested in that.
As example:
After association rules learning (which is for example contributors behaviour), anomaly detection task kick in every time when something unusual happened.
That unusual could be contributors unexpected income which is treating like a data error and must be corrected in according to association rules.
In short, for every unexpected sales, most of the time you will be punished in the next period.
End of lesson one.
I find what you are saying very interesting and I am waiting eagerly for next lesson.
I perfectly agree with lesson one.
But I find also that the reverse is true: when a month start as a disaster, like ten day without a single sale, then in the next 2 weeks there is a deluge of sales, some of which with incredibly high prices, in order to catch up.
I also find that the cap is in some way rolling, like slowly going up with the total amount of files.

Also there is a switch between:
Mode 1: all kinds of files sell, even new ones
Mode 2: only files with very high ranking sell
The switch is operated about every three weeks. But in Mode 2, even if the selling high-ranked file is just a single one, it will sell so often and at such high prices that the revenues under Mode 1 and Mode 2 do not differ very much

« Reply #68 on: July 09, 2017, 13:37 »
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If you have 10 days without a single sale, you should re-evaluate your images first, instead of trying to come up with some conspiracy theroies.

« Reply #69 on: July 09, 2017, 15:09 »
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thats just nonsense when clearly there are other factors to consider these days

« Reply #70 on: July 09, 2017, 15:11 »
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If you have 10 days without a single sale, you should re-evaluate your images first, instead of trying to come up with some conspiracy theroies.

Completely wrong recommendation if you have a selling port.  What if I have a year of great sales then those same images stop selling altogether for 10 days? I am to attribute that to my portfolio? That's just funny man.

« Reply #71 on: July 09, 2017, 15:43 »
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If you have 10 days without a single sale, you should re-evaluate your images first, instead of trying to come up with some conspiracy theroies.
I have seen the figures you posted about your sales at SS and I sell over 10 times more than you.

And anyway I am not complaining at all: SS is by miles my best earner, I keep doing BME there constantly.
I don't call it conspiracy at all. They certainly manipulate the algorithm constantly, but I am very happy they do it and they do it really well, that is way they are number one

« Reply #72 on: July 09, 2017, 16:30 »
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The goal of every microstock agency must be to constantly change the search algorithm, in order to make sure customers get what they want. Those agencies failing to adapt to customer needs will not survive.

So get over it. For this very reason, search algorithm changes are regularly happening.

Everything else is just paranoia.

« Reply #73 on: July 09, 2017, 21:35 »
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If you have 10 days without a single sale, you should re-evaluate your images first, instead of trying to come up with some conspiracy theroies.
I have seen the figures you posted about your sales at SS and I sell over 10 times more than you.

And anyway I am not complaining at all: SS is by miles my best earner, I keep doing BME there constantly.
I don't call it conspiracy at all. They certainly manipulate the algorithm constantly, but I am very happy they do it and they do it really well, that is way they are number one

I have a good 1100 images and I have maybe 1 zero/day per month and its usually saturday or  sunday. And my images arent very commercial or great. Ok, now I remembered, you mostly have video, right? Thats a different story....sory for that

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« Reply #74 on: July 10, 2017, 00:01 »
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None of this makes any sense at all. How do you explain the incredible drop of exactly 50% straight down the line and almost to the penny hitting everyone I know that joined about 10 years back and all with commercial high-value portfolios including myself of course.

No not a conspiracy but certainly the search is manipulated killing off many contributors and aiding some other sections.

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