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nobody

« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2018, 09:33 »
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I think it's time to start that women-only forum.

It might be time to close this forum  :-\



derek

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« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2018, 09:42 »
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek  :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.

In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.

In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.

At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.

The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.

This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.

The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.

You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.


What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!!  just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!

No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!

Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..

Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!

« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2018, 10:06 »
+1
I think it's time to start that women-only forum.

It might be time to close this forum  :-\
Nah, just update your ignore list. So simple

« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2018, 10:16 »
+2
To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek  :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.

In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.

In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.

At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.

The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.

This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.

The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.

You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.


What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!!  just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!

No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!

Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..

Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......

« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2018, 10:38 »
+4
May I remind you that we are talking about an innocent piece of clothing.

This is the basic reason why you fail to understand all that follows.

That "innocent piece of clothing" is a strong religious symbol dictated by the religious norms, not the latest fashion trend adopted by some women for a season or two. So much that in many countries women failing to use it (in any of its different forms) are punished by law. So much for an innocent piece of clothing, right?

Plus, in many of the countries where the use is not enforced by law there's a strong criticism and pressure from society against those women that do not use it. How much of that criticism do you think becomes harassment or discrimination?

I remember in my own country when women started to use mini-skirts, trousers, going to pastry shops (cafes and pubs were unthinkable to women) what they were called. "Whore" was one of the nicest things...

There was a huge pressure for women not to dress like that. But since the everyday clothing did not have any religious imposition it was possible for the brave ones, with the support or tolerance of their fathers, boyfriends or husbands, to go through and path the way to other women initially more shy. Today, no one cares about it.

But society and peer pressure plays a huge role limiting that free will. When religions gets in the way then things get ugly.

In my country many women still use the scarf, especially in the interior. As far as I know they are not imposing it or criticizing those who not wear them anymore.

I am also talking about free will and you give me examples of mutilation and child abuse, having nothing to do with it. Do you actually think that the concept of free will can be extrapolated to babies, when you give such examples?

I'm not talking about babies. The examples I have given refer to adolescents. They understand what is happening and consent it (the way an adolescent is able to, anyway), but were brought to believe that that's the correct way to do things. Many times led to believe that the people not doing it are wrong and they are better.

Plus, you're being shortsighted because you are ignoring that it's the education they receive as children that will form their adult personalities. And the continuing of unacceptable traditions.

So you might be subject of many Stockholm syndromes yourself, when you side with such oppressive lawmakers, who made you believe that oppressive laws are good for you. Have ever thought about it?

I have full conscience that I'm a product of my society and education. Having that conscience I regularly question many things since and don't accept blindly what people want to stick down my throat. I also used unacceptable haircuts and clothing (punk with mohawk) and know very well . I went through the public condemnation the peer pressure process. So I know what I'm talking about. Now I see kids with mohawks imitating footballers.

Yet, I know I continue to be a product of my society. Maybe a bit misfit, but still...

I told you the origins of the veil and burka. In many places, like Eastern Europe, this tradition evolved into the scarf. Even today, in some of these places, women consider impolite to show their hair in public and wear the scarf, all the time. Are all these women also affected by the Stockholm syndrome?
Far from that, I would say. It is a tradition and you must respect that. Nobody is forcing them to do it, not their husbands and not any law. It is their choice, their free will. The same thing is valid for many middle eastern women who chose to wear the veil, because it is their tradition and they like it.

There's a difference between a tradition and religious imposition, many time punished by law as I mentioned. The Burka and it's less invasive variation belong to the latest kind.

How hard is to understand that?

That is a question you should ask yourself.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2018, 10:43 by MicroVet »

derek

    This user is banned.
« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2018, 10:54 »
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek  :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.

In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.

In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.

At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.

The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.

This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.

The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.

You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.


What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!!  just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!

No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!

Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..

Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......

How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc!  its laughable! and I bet you wouldnt wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!

« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2018, 10:58 »
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May I remind you that we are talking about an innocent piece of clothing.

This is the basic reason why you fail to understand all that follows.

That "innocent piece of clothing" is a strong religious symbol dictated by the religious norms, not the latest fashion trend adopted by some women for a season or two. So much that in many countries women failing to use it (in any of its different forms) are punished by law. So much for an innocent piece of clothing, right?

Plus, in many of the countries where the use is not enforced by law there's a strong criticism and pressure from society against those women that do not use it. How much of that criticism do you think becomes harassment or discrimination?

I remember in my own country when women started to use mini-skirts, trousers, going to pastry shops (cafes and pubs were unthinkable to women) what they were called. "Whore" was one of the nicest things...

There was a huge pressure for women not to dress like that. But since the everyday clothing did not have any religious imposition it was possible for the brave ones, with the support or tolerance of their fathers, boyfriends or husbands, to go through and path the way to other women initially more shy. Today, no one cares about it.

But society and peer pressure plays a huge role limiting that free will. When religions gets in the way then things get ugly.

In my country many women still use the scarf, especially in the interior. As far as I know they are not imposing it or criticizing those who not wear them anymore.

I am also talking about free will and you give me examples of mutilation and child abuse, having nothing to do with it. Do you actually think that the concept of free will can be extrapolated to babies, when you give such examples?

I'm not talking about babies. The examples I have given refer to adolescents. They understand what is happening and consent it (the way an adolescent is able to, anyway), but were brought to believe that that's the correct way to do things. Many times led to believe that the people not doing it are wrong and they are better.

Plus, you're being shortsighted because you are ignoring that it's the education they receive as children that will form their adult personalities. And the continuing of unacceptable traditions.

So you might be subject of many Stockholm syndromes yourself, when you side with such oppressive lawmakers, who made you believe that oppressive laws are good for you. Have ever thought about it?

I have full conscience that I'm a product of my society and education. Having that conscience I regularly question many things since and don't accept blindly what people want to stick down my throat. I also used unacceptable haircuts and clothing (punk with mohawk) and know very well . I went through the public condemnation the peer pressure process. So I know what I'm talking about. Now I see kids with mohawks imitating footballers.

Yet, I know I continue to be a product of my society. Maybe a bit misfit, but still...

I told you the origins of the veil and burka. In many places, like Eastern Europe, this tradition evolved into the scarf. Even today, in some of these places, women consider impolite to show their hair in public and wear the scarf, all the time. Are all these women also affected by the Stockholm syndrome?
Far from that, I would say. It is a tradition and you must respect that. Nobody is forcing them to do it, not their husbands and not any law. It is their choice, their free will. The same thing is valid for many middle eastern women who chose to wear the veil, because it is their tradition and they like it.

There's a difference between a tradition and religious imposition, many time punished by law as I mentioned. The Burka and it's less invasive variation belong to the latest kind.

How hard is to understand that?

That is a question you should ask yourself.

There are many religious impositions, besides the veil or burka accepted as normal even in a free and laic society. Besides, many traditions and society norms originate from religious impositions.

Why would this piece of clothing be any different?

You don't get that I am against laws mandating burkas as much as I am against laws forbidding it!
France is no different than Saudi Arabia from this point of view. Both countries have oppressive laws forcing women to wear what the government considers OK.

This is my message for you: Let people wear what the want, let them be free to exercise their religion, tradition or fashion taste and stop imposing your beliefs on others.

I asked about babies because it was you who has extrapolated the notion of free will to minors. If you give me bad examples with minors, why stopping there and not extrapolating even further to babies? Get my point?
« Last Edit: October 25, 2018, 11:04 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2018, 11:05 »
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek  :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.

In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.

In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.

At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.

The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.

This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.

The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.

You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.


What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!!  just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!

No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!

Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..

Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......

How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc!  its laughable! and I bet you wouldn't wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
Where have I said anything about Burkas?

derek

    This user is banned.
« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2018, 11:10 »
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek  :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.

In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.

In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.

At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.

The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.

This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.

The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.

You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.


What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!!  just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!

No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!

Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..

Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......

How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc!  its laughable! and I bet you wouldn't wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
Where have I said anything about Burkas?

Then why are you participating backing sexiest, racism remarks about a piece of clothing??

derek

    This user is banned.
« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2018, 11:11 »
+1
NOW! back on topic shall we!....oh yes it was all about closing accounts wasnt it!

« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2018, 11:15 »
+1
To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek  :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.

In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.

In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.

At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.

The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.

This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.

The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.

You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.


What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!!  just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!

No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!

Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..

Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......

How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc!  its laughable! and I bet you wouldn't wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
Where have I said anything about Burkas?

Then why are you participating backing sexiest, racism remarks about a piece of clothing??
I haven't said anything about that. I just supported the point that insults based on the female menstrual cycle are offensive to many and that your so called apology was nothing of the sort which you have amply demonstrated.

derek

    This user is banned.
« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2018, 11:31 »
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek  :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.

In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.

In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.

At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.

The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.

This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.

The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.

You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.


What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!!  just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!

No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!

Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..

Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......

How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc!  its laughable! and I bet you wouldn't wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
Where have I said anything about Burkas?

Then why are you participating backing sexiest, racism remarks about a piece of clothing??
I haven't said anything about that. I just supported the point that insults based on the female menstrual cycle are offensive to many and that your so called apology was nothing of the sort which you have amply demonstrated.

 female menstrual cycle????????????  what ARE you waffling about?

« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2018, 11:33 »
+3
To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek  :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.

In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.

In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.

At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.

The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.

This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.

The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.

You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.


What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!!  just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!

No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!

Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..

Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......

How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc!  its laughable! and I bet you wouldn't wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
Where have I said anything about Burkas?

Then why are you participating backing sexiest, racism remarks about a piece of clothing??
I haven't said anything about that. I just supported the point that insults based on the female menstrual cycle are offensive to many and that your so called apology was nothing of the sort which you have amply demonstrated.

 female menstrual cycle????????????  what ARE you waffling about?
That was what your insult was about....

« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2018, 13:16 »
+5

There are many religious impositions, besides the veil or burka accepted as normal even in a free and laic society. Besides, many traditions and society norms originate from religious impositions.

Why would this piece of clothing be any different?

You don't get that I am against laws mandating burkas as much as I am against laws forbidding it!
France is no different than Saudi Arabia from this point of view. Both countries have oppressive laws forcing women to wear what the government considers OK.

This is my message for you: Let people wear what the want, let them be free to exercise their religion, tradition or fashion taste and stop imposing your beliefs on others.

I asked about babies because it was you who has extrapolated the notion of free will to minors. If you give me bad examples with minors, why stopping there and not extrapolating even further to babies? Get my point?

Simply because the burka is anti-human. It dehumanizes the women that use them since it makes them invisible as people. Plus, it denies their individuality by hiding their personal characteristics. They are no longer "Aliyha", "Amina" but just another female standing there.

It's simple to prove this by imagining if you could identify one woman wearing a burka that you've seen previously, after she changed to a different burka, side by side with others with similar stature and composition. I'm certain that you could not and that's because she has her individuality denied to everybody except the close family.

But the offense doesn't stop there. They wear those complete covers because the people who impose them consider women as a source of sin and temptation. So, to prevent them to "provoke" men they cover women.

Summing up, they consider men as animals incapable to control violent sexual impulses! So, we must be protected from the sight of women! ABSURD! Did you think men would get away?

The most shocking consequence of this way of thinking is when a woman of those cultures is raped by a man (or a whole battalion), she's the one considered guilty. After all, they are the ones who provoked and men are incapable of control. And as it's frequent in the news they may even be sentenced to the death penalty because they had sex outside marriage!!!

I call that a giant BS!!!

I understand your point about freedom. Believe me I understand. But freedom isn't an absolute value.

If freedom was an absolute value what would stop religions that advocate human sacrifice, cannibalism or sex with children to be practiced in any western world?

Am I right to think that you would not accept those practices in your country, am I right? So where do we draw the line? From what point do we consider something unacceptable? Do we stop at human sacrifice, or is treating women as things also unacceptable to us, despite being part of a culture or religion?
« Last Edit: October 25, 2018, 13:20 by MicroVet »

« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2018, 14:07 »
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There are many religious impositions, besides the veil or burka accepted as normal even in a free and laic society. Besides, many traditions and society norms originate from religious impositions.

Why would this piece of clothing be any different?

You don't get that I am against laws mandating burkas as much as I am against laws forbidding it!
France is no different than Saudi Arabia from this point of view. Both countries have oppressive laws forcing women to wear what the government considers OK.

This is my message for you: Let people wear what the want, let them be free to exercise their religion, tradition or fashion taste and stop imposing your beliefs on others.

I asked about babies because it was you who has extrapolated the notion of free will to minors. If you give me bad examples with minors, why stopping there and not extrapolating even further to babies? Get my point?

Simply because the burka is anti-human. It dehumanizes the women that use them since it makes them invisible as people. Plus, it denies their individuality by hiding their personal characteristics. They are no longer "Aliyha", "Amina" but just another female standing there.

It's simple to prove this by imagining if you could identify one woman wearing a burka that you've seen previously, after she changed to a different burka, side by side with others with similar stature and composition. I'm certain that you could not and that's because she has her individuality denied to everybody except the close family.

But the offense doesn't stop there. They wear those complete covers because the people who impose them consider women as a source of sin and temptation. So, to prevent them to "provoke" men they cover women.

Summing up, they consider men as animals incapable to control violent sexual impulses! So, we must be protected from the sight of women! ABSURD! Did you think men would get away?

The most shocking consequence of this way of thinking is when a woman of those cultures is raped by a man (or a whole battalion), she's the one considered guilty. After all, they are the ones who provoked and men are incapable of control. And as it's frequent in the news they may even be sentenced to the death penalty because they had sex outside marriage!!!

I call that a giant BS!!!

I understand your point about freedom. Believe me I understand. But freedom isn't an absolute value.

If freedom was an absolute value what would stop religions that advocate human sacrifice, cannibalism or sex with children to be practiced in any western world?

Am I right to think that you would not accept those practices in your country, am I right? So where do we draw the line? From what point do we consider something unacceptable? Do we stop at human sacrifice, or is treating women as things also unacceptable to us, despite being part of a culture or religion?

We draw the line somewhere where people are allowed to wear what they want, be it a burka, or a hoody with dark sunglasses, like many do even in your country, hiding their faces in public
I understand where you are coming from, but you also should understand that extrapolating your perception of that culture and reading it based on your own traditions, fighting against it like you do, is in fact very much against freedom and free will.
Not all women wearing burkas are oppressed, as you assume, putting a whole culture in a tiny box with a bad label on it.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2018, 14:09 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2018, 17:39 »
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Show us your portfolio on other platforms. I think we may get a better idea of why you've been suspended.

« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2018, 17:54 »
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designer093, I can't find your images in the archives.  How many did you have up?  What name were you using?  Even if your account was removed, the thumbnails should show up in the wayback. 



« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2018, 17:57 »
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Never mind, I found it.

The problem is that you are NOT Christopher Campbell.

nobody

« Reply #68 on: October 25, 2018, 17:59 »
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Never mind, I found it.

The problem is that you are NOT Christopher Campbell.

Plus ++100++

« Reply #69 on: October 25, 2018, 18:06 »
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Haha
Busted

nobody

« Reply #70 on: October 25, 2018, 18:29 »
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In the several years that I've been on this site I've seen my share of folks claiming they were victims only to be taken away in hand cuffs by our awesome member investigations!  Our words to the guilty -- "You're TERMINATED"
« Last Edit: October 25, 2018, 19:36 by nobody »

« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2018, 08:09 »
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My GOD!  what has become of you all here?? 5-6 years back this forum was full of people that could give and take an argument, Bickering or something wrongly said, NOW look at you!! just look!..bunch of supersensitive twatts that is ready to jump on just anything!...makes me want to puke!...this is a stock-forum, not some Metoo gathering or Politically-correct garbage!

Since I wrote that comment I've had 6 of the old school on my mail telling me to just leave it and let these twatts whallop around in their own mess!...truth is you wouldnt last 5 minutes in the real world of creatives, no time for you!...go back to mummy and hang her in the skirt!....now do what you do BEST!  talk sheit on my back when turned!...I have to go and vomit!....the man above MicroVet!  liste to what he is saying!! and learn!

Maybe your 6 old school friends are right, just leave. But you stay to attack and insult us, calling names. Seems a leopard doesn't change its spots was spot on. You are amused trolling for attention that's the only reason you come here. You don't like when we get along and disagree respectfully.

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