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Title: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 09:09
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on May 08, 2014, 09:12
Must be really getting desperate for some positive press there.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Noedelhap on May 08, 2014, 09:13
I'm surprised that May 14th is not a Sunday.
Exclusives only, though, that's a pity.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: cobalt on May 08, 2014, 09:14
Sounds like good news. Should give some balance to the subscription sales from April.

Exclusives really deserve better treatment, so I am glad to see they are doing something.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Julied83 on May 08, 2014, 09:14
Oh for exclusive only ! haha ! of course ...
No way they can do a 50% royalty day for non exclusive !
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 09:15
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Noedelhap on May 08, 2014, 09:18
Oh for exclusive only ! haha ! of course ...
No way they can do a 50% royalty day for non exclusive !

Of course not, that's unsustainable. Plus, money doesn't make us happy.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on May 08, 2014, 09:21
Good. Positive. Nice.

I don't care if I don't profit from it. And I don't care if it's PR. As long as they pay out some more money to fellow photographers and some friends, it is a positive thing.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: leaf on May 08, 2014, 09:23
nice to see they are doing something positive and beneficial for the contributor. 
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: oxman on May 08, 2014, 09:28
great news. :)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on May 08, 2014, 09:32
Now, I'm getting curious... Ellen who?!?

http://www.mystockphoto.org/istock-100-royalty-day-2014/ (http://www.mystockphoto.org/istock-100-royalty-day-2014/)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Red Dove on May 08, 2014, 09:38
Something worth celebrating for the exclusives for a change. Enjoy it you rascals.

Don't suppose you could lend me a few quid. Just til payday......
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: wds on May 08, 2014, 09:44
Odd that there doens't seem to be a peep about this in the iS forums.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on May 08, 2014, 09:45
Odd that there doens't seem to be a peep about this in the iS forums.

It's for Exclusives, so it's in the Exclusives forums...  ;)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: wds on May 08, 2014, 09:48
Oops, thanks. I would think that a more general announcement would bring them more positive PR and attract people to exclusivity. It's not like this is going to be kept a secret.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 09:50
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: dingles on May 08, 2014, 09:53
Excited to hear this. Only downside is I can sometimes go a few days without video sales...so it will be a crap shoot if someone purchases a video from me on that day. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on May 08, 2014, 10:03
Now, I'm getting curious... Ellen who?!?

[url]http://www.mystockphoto.org/istock-100-royalty-day-2014/[/url] ([url]http://www.mystockphoto.org/istock-100-royalty-day-2014/[/url])


Ellen's the one who took over when Rebecca left, and who didn't feel the need to mingle with contributors.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Ploink on May 08, 2014, 10:18
Now, I'm getting curious... Ellen who?!?

[url]http://www.mystockphoto.org/istock-100-royalty-day-2014/[/url] ([url]http://www.mystockphoto.org/istock-100-royalty-day-2014/[/url])


Ellen's the one who took over when Rebecca left, and who didn't feel the need to mingle with contributors.


Given Rebecca's track record that's not necessarily a bad thing  ;)

That said, it's good to see something positive going on at IS  :)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on May 08, 2014, 10:20
That's a surprise - a real rave from the grave. as they used to say. Perhaps someone there has realised that they do need contributors after all.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: jjneff on May 08, 2014, 10:31
Thanks to iStock. This is a great move in the right direction!!!
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Mantis on May 08, 2014, 12:17
But why? With all the erosion policies they've spewed on exclusives over the last year or so what is the real motivation here? Yes, it's positive.....but what is the real reason?
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on May 08, 2014, 12:35
But why? With all the erosion policies they've spewed on exclusives over the last year or so what is the real motivation here? Yes, it's positive.....but what is the real reason?

As Sean already mentioned: They need some good PR for a change. And the cost of it: 1 day out of 365, less than half the content affected, and it's not 100%, it's 100% minues what they already pay to exclusives (somewhere between 30 and 35% on average, I guess)... do the maths yourself. Actually removing the tradition was totally stupid: Bad PR for almost no savings.

But as I said before: I don't care if they do it for PR reasons. Paying out an additional hundred thousands to contributors can't be that bad to question it too much.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on May 08, 2014, 12:38
But why? With all the erosion policies they've spewed on exclusives over the last year or so what is the real motivation here? Yes, it's positive.....but what is the real reason?


I'm assuming that Ms. Desmaris wanted to do something for this Small Business  week (http://www.sba.gov/nsbw/nsbw). Getty isn't one of the sponsors, and I couldn't see Ms. Desmaris on any of the webinar lists.

Doing anything one time is a much cheaper way to boost morale than anything ongoing - like paying exclusives their contract percentage on all sales, including Vetta and Getty.

I hope there's a nice big payout to exclusives on that day, but I don't see this in any way signaling a change of heart in the Getty drive to cut costs and get all royalties to 20% maximum.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 12:56
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Shelma1 on May 08, 2014, 13:11
Oh for exclusive only ! haha ! of course ...
No way they can do a 50% royalty day for non exclusive !

Then we'd all be PO'ed when we saw in hard numbers how much of each license they keep for themselves.  :'(
Title: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: iStop on May 08, 2014, 13:21
NOTICE: iStock graciously apologizes but will be offline for most of the day on May 14th for much needed site upgrades. In addition, overall site performance may be hindered throughout the day while these upgrades are tested and installed. iStock apologizes for any effect this may have on your buyers' ability to download the pictures they need that day, but will offer a 15% discount coupon code for a 1,000 credit pack to compensate buyers for any inconvenience this may cause them. The discounted credit pack can start being used when site service returns to normal on May 15th.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 13:25
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Title: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: bokehgal on May 08, 2014, 14:04
I'll setup a buyer account and buy each of my pictures 3 times that day in XXXL. That should sort out all my current RC and best match issues. Thank you iStock.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: iStop on May 08, 2014, 14:09

Must be really getting desperate for some positive press there.

Must be getting desperate to try and retain exclusives. Let's call it ACDC. Anti Crown Dropping Campaign.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Goofy on May 08, 2014, 14:18
The major problem here is that once you lose your "Creditability' it is very difficult to get it back...
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Will on May 08, 2014, 14:29
Just throwing the hounds a bone to stop the barking! When they start paying their non exclusive contributors 50% it might be worth an accolade.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: chromaco on May 08, 2014, 14:32
Isn't the 14th about the time they will report sub sales to exclusives for the first time?
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 08, 2014, 14:38
I think in the past they didn't announce what day it was until afterwards.  Announcing it in advance should hopefully boost sales.
How would that work, except for anyone who has buyer friends, IWC why wouldn't they sell directly to them for 100% anyway?
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 14:41
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 08, 2014, 14:44
I think in the past they didn't announce what day it was until afterwards.  Announcing it in advance should hopefully boost sales.
How would that work, except for anyone who has buyer friends, IWC why wouldn't they sell directly to them for 100% anyway?
Some buyers are contributors so they would probably try to hold off a couple days to buy.  Other buyers who see that contributors will get 100% might hold off too, it's only a few days away.  Exclusives can't sell RF on our own sites.
We can sell RM.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 08, 2014, 14:46
Oops, thanks. I would think that a more general announcement would bring them more positive PR and attract people to exclusivity. It's not like this is going to be kept a secret.

I doubt if any indies would become exclusive just for this one day.
IAC, very few, if any, would be able to get their files off the other sites quickly enough.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 08, 2014, 14:47
But as I said before: I don't care if they do it for PR reasons. Paying out an additional hundred thousands to contributors can't be that bad to question it too much.
Exactly, hard to complain when they are going to be paying contributors hundreds of thousands more than anyone expected.  It's a good thing for contributors and in terms of exclusive artists it's a step in the right direction.  I think everyone wants agencies to do more of this.
I'd be doing far better if they'd grandfathered me in as originally promised.
It's very unlikely that this day will dent that loss by much.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 14:48
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: iStop on May 08, 2014, 14:48
To be honest, my downloads are now averaging about 10% of what they were in 2011 with yet a 50% bigger portfolio than in 2011. I'm frankly pretty indifferent to this tempting sounding bone they are throwing us. Although it's a bit of goodwill (if you even see it that way) but it won't make much difference to me in terms of income at this point. It's all a bit too little too late. If they really want to help exclusives they can start with stopping making the Indy content so much more attractive to buyers.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 14:49
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 08, 2014, 14:55
I think in the past they didn't announce what day it was until afterwards.  Announcing it in advance should hopefully boost sales.
How would that work, except for anyone who has buyer friends, IWC why wouldn't they sell directly to them for 100% anyway?
Some buyers are contributors so they would probably try to hold off a couple days to buy.  Other buyers who see that contributors will get 100% might hold off too, it's only a few days away.  Exclusives can't sell RF on our own sites.
We can sell RM.
I didn't realize we could license our images as RF on iStock and on our own site as RM?  Are you sure that's allowed?
I don't know about from our own site, but there's nothing to stop us entering into RM agreements with private buyers. I guess it might be considered morally dubious if they found you on iS and you entered into a private agreement with them, and I've never done that. In fact, the only time someone contacted me via SM to suggest same, I contacted CR, and didn't even get a 'thanks'.
Some might think so many of their actions have been so morally dubious it hardly matters; others might enjoy the moral high ground.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 15:01
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 08, 2014, 15:06
I wasn't thinking of someone's own site, just actual real friends and acquaintances.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 15:07
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: asiseeit on May 08, 2014, 15:50
But why? With all the erosion policies they've spewed on exclusives over the last year or so what is the real motivation here? Yes, it's positive.....but what is the real reason?

As Sean already mentioned: They need some good PR for a change. And the cost of it: 1 day out of 365, less than half the content affected, and it's not 100%, it's 100% minues what they already pay to exclusives (somewhere between 30 and 35% on average, I guess)... do the maths yourself. Actually removing the tradition was totally stupid: Bad PR for almost no savings.

But as I said before: I don't care if they do it for PR reasons. Paying out an additional hundred thousands to contributors can't be that bad to question it too much.
I couldn't care less what the reasons are either. What matters is what they do, not what they're thinking. I don't see how anyone can be negative about this announcement.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Monkeyman on May 08, 2014, 16:07
At least this is a sign that they're actually noticing the decline in sales and that exclusives are leaving... but it's not really enough to change anything. Scrapping the RC system and give all exclusives 50% no matter how much or little they sell would probably make a difference.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: wds on May 08, 2014, 16:08
I guess it's kind of like a 1% annual bonus
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: luissantos84 on May 08, 2014, 16:14
its curious there isn't a thing for indies, not that I would have sales on that day but I guess we are also part of iStock success no? (I can see 85% at least)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 08, 2014, 16:19
At least this is a sign that they're actually noticing the decline in sales and that exclusives are leaving... but it's not really enough to change anything. Scrapping the RC system and give all exclusives 50% no matter how much or little they sell would probably make a difference.
They'd also have to reconsider their policy of undercutting Exclusive content on their own site with indie files.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: VB inc on May 08, 2014, 16:24
im sure they will tinker w the best match that day to favor getty content ;)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Perry on May 08, 2014, 16:34
If they would give the non-exclusives 100% royalty every day, that would be only 30%. Think about that.

(Yes, I know that you can get a bit more than 15%, you don't have to point that out:))
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 08, 2014, 16:42
If they would give the non-exclusives 100% royalty every day, that would be only 30%. Think about that.

(Yes, I know that you can get a bit more than 15%, you don't have to point that out:))


100% /= 2x
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 08, 2014, 17:56
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: shudderstok on May 08, 2014, 21:05
Must be really getting desperate for some positive press there.

that was a press release based on desperation? looks like it was only an announcement for exclusive contributors to me. now you have something new to blog about. the desperate measures of the agency that once was. 
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on May 08, 2014, 21:24
"Positive press" as in "trying to get a good feeling groove going".  Sorry you didn't get that.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Colonel on May 08, 2014, 21:40
100% royalty would have mean to lot more to me when I was actually making decent money there... they still sell photos right? ;)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: shudderstok on May 08, 2014, 21:43
"Positive press" as in "trying to get a good feeling groove going".  Sorry you didn't get that.

i got it sean, but i don't think it is an act of desperation. for the most part things are pretty * good over there as an exclusive. that all said GI still needs to learn a few things on keeping contributors happy - for that they get a failing grade and have for years. the powers that be are bankers, need i say more?
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: gclk on May 09, 2014, 03:12
IMO the 100% royalty day is a really positive and welcome step, and hopefully the first of many towards restoring a constructive and respectful relationship between iStock and contributors, whether exclusive or indy.

The 'bleed-em dry' strategy of the past few years has comprehensively failed, resulting in contributors earning less, iStock earnings not rising as they desire, and relations becoming so toxic that a successful and optimistic future for the site was looking less and less possible.

As I say I definitely think the 100% royalty day is a good thing, but it's worth noting that iStock will still (presumably) be taking their usual 15-25% cut of all non-USD sales *before* the royalties are calculated.  So good to know that while they'll be paying '100% royalties' for exclusive content on 14th May, they'll still be making a tidy sum from exclusive sales.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Ron on May 09, 2014, 04:04
I am no longer with Istock, but I would think that an open dialogue, without the likes of Lobo present, would be a logical step to restore a massively dented relationship. Restoring trust is doesnt happen over day by offering a 100% royalty day. I am not saying its not a good gesture by the way. Its a positive step, but what they need to do is start an honest and open dialogue. Rebecca went for that approach and I think the powers that be didnt like it and I also think she got out as soon as found out what she got into. I think she could have been exactly what IS needed at that time, but she didnt fit the company profile. She was human, not a machine. Getty replaced her with someone else they could handle like a puppeteer handles his puppets.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on May 09, 2014, 04:55
I didn't realize we could license our images as RF on iStock and on our own site as RM?  Are you sure that's allowed?
I don't know about from our own site, but there's nothing to stop us entering into RM agreements with private buyers. I guess it might be considered morally dubious if they found you on iS and you entered into a private agreement with them, and I've never done that. In fact, the only time someone contacted me via SM to suggest same, I contacted CR, and didn't even get a 'thanks'.
Some might think so many of their actions have been so morally dubious it hardly matters; others might enjoy the moral high ground.

Sue, I'm shocked! That would make you a faux-exclusive!! I'm sure iStock would never tolerate exclusivity being undermined like that!
Not by you, anyway.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: JKB on May 09, 2014, 05:45
It's definitely some positive news and as many have said hopefully the first but not last step towards regaining contributor trust. Having been exclusive and loyal to a fault for half a dozen years it's been hard to see the gradual deterioration of iStock's business practices, with less and less options remaining for its contributors.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on May 09, 2014, 06:11
Oh, here's your "good press":
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/istock-by-getty-images-announces-100-royalty-day-on-may-14-to-celebrate-its-exclusive-artists-and-the-launch-of-subscriptions-258450871.html (http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/istock-by-getty-images-announces-100-royalty-day-on-may-14-to-celebrate-its-exclusive-artists-and-the-launch-of-subscriptions-258450871.html)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Shelma1 on May 09, 2014, 06:22
So they offer exclusives a tiny crumb of a bonus while simultaneously pushing subscriptions that will undercut their income. And they send tickstock here to broadcast it (I don't remember any other exclusives-only news being trumpeted here).
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Perry on May 09, 2014, 06:31
If they would give the non-exclusives 100% royalty every day, that would be only 30%. Think about that.

(Yes, I know that you can get a bit more than 15%, you don't have to point that out:))

It's not 100% more, it's 100%.  So if you are at 30% and you sell a $1 file you would normally get .30 but for May 14th you get $1.

Sorry, my bad. Well, it's still small peanuts for monkeys.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 09, 2014, 06:33
So they offer exclusives a tiny crumb of a bonus while simultaneously pushing subscriptions that will undercut their income.

I totally agree, I'd far rather have the right to opt out of subs, and the ability to promote/demote my own files.
The way my sales have gone since 22nd April, I could easily end up with 100% of nothing (or very little).
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Ploink on May 09, 2014, 06:40
Oh, here's your "good press":
[url]http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/istock-by-getty-images-announces-100-royalty-day-on-may-14-to-celebrate-its-exclusive-artists-and-the-launch-of-subscriptions-258450871.html[/url] ([url]http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/istock-by-getty-images-announces-100-royalty-day-on-may-14-to-celebrate-its-exclusive-artists-and-the-launch-of-subscriptions-258450871.html[/url])


From the above: "In another move to reward exclusive artists, iStock has also launched a new affiliate program today. Contributors will receive a commission when they drive iStock customers to license any content, regardless of whether it's their own work."

Is this something new, or did I just miss it?
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 09, 2014, 06:45
I didn't realize we could license our images as RF on iStock and on our own site as RM?  Are you sure that's allowed?
I don't know about from our own site, but there's nothing to stop us entering into RM agreements with private buyers. I guess it might be considered morally dubious if they found you on iS and you entered into a private agreement with them, and I've never done that. In fact, the only time someone contacted me via SM to suggest same, I contacted CR, and didn't even get a 'thanks'.
Some might think so many of their actions have been so morally dubious it hardly matters; others might enjoy the moral high ground.

Sue, I'm shocked! That would make you a faux-exclusive!! I'm sure iStock would never tolerate exclusivity being undermined like that!
Not by you, anyway.

Again it's an ambiguous area in their ASA - as so often, totally open to interpretation.

Clause 2a "In this Agreement, "Exclusive Content" ... shall not include ... (3) Content that is "Rights Managed", which is defined as Content produced by the Supplier and licensed for a fee that is based on one or more limited uses and for which usage history is tracked;", so it would depend which clause trumped the other.

Which would depend how keen they were to get rid of someone. In any case, the EASA says, " iStockphoto may also terminate this Agreement ... for any reason"

For the record, I have sold no images from my own, seriously moribund, website, which is personal. I lost a possible sale to Smithsonian magazine because I was outwith web contact when they emailled me hoping for a reply by return. :'(
I've sold 2 RM files from Flickr (which I use for personal pics): one was an American woman wanting a photo of her daughter whom I'd happened to photograph at a public event in Scotland (I should have charged her more, I thought $15 was reasonable, but I hadn't reckoned on PayPal charges) and one was to a magazine, of a night festival, where the main people had motion blur and I thought neither iS nor Alamy would accept them. They did licence two photos from earlier in the evening from Alamy and used them each quite small on the pages, but the Flicker one, panoramic in format, was run over the top of two pages.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on May 09, 2014, 06:46
Oh, here's your "good press":
[url]http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/istock-by-getty-images-announces-100-royalty-day-on-may-14-to-celebrate-its-exclusive-artists-and-the-launch-of-subscriptions-258450871.html[/url] ([url]http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/istock-by-getty-images-announces-100-royalty-day-on-may-14-to-celebrate-its-exclusive-artists-and-the-launch-of-subscriptions-258450871.html[/url])


From the above: "In another move to reward exclusive artists, iStock has also launched a new affiliate program today. Contributors will receive a commission when they drive iStock customers to license any content, regardless of whether it's their own work."

Is this something new, or did I just miss it?


If it was a working affiliate program, that would be new.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 09, 2014, 06:48
Oh, here's your "good press":
[url]http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/istock-by-getty-images-announces-100-royalty-day-on-may-14-to-celebrate-its-exclusive-artists-and-the-launch-of-subscriptions-258450871.html[/url] ([url]http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/istock-by-getty-images-announces-100-royalty-day-on-may-14-to-celebrate-its-exclusive-artists-and-the-launch-of-subscriptions-258450871.html[/url])


From the above: "In another move to reward exclusive artists, iStock has also launched a new affiliate program today. Contributors will receive a commission when they drive iStock customers to license any content, regardless of whether it's their own work."

Is this something new, or did I just miss it?


It was in the email exclusives got yesterday, the same one as heralded 100% day.
I went to check it out, but my Getty log in details were refused.
Hardly matters for me (I was just nosey, as usual). I never meet anyone who needs to licence content.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Noedelhap on May 09, 2014, 06:52

Must be really getting desperate for some positive press there.

Must be getting desperate to try and retain exclusives. Let's call it ACDC. Anti Crown Dropping Campaign.

And let's call this Whole Lotta Royalties.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 09, 2014, 07:26
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 09, 2014, 07:36
It would be better press if they paid all contributors more fairly all the time rather than some contributors on one token day in three or four years.

Mind you, the collection would just get even more bloated than it is now, so a mixed blessing.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ARTPUPPY on May 09, 2014, 07:38

Must be really getting desperate for some positive press there.

Must be getting desperate to try and retain exclusives. Let's call it ACDC. Anti Crown Dropping Campaign.

And let's call this Whole Lotta Royalties.
More like a whole lotta nothing, I'm afraid. This is just announced, no real advertising to the customers, so sales will probably be slight anyway. Sales are down because customers are gone, so it won't be much. Also you still have the factor of sub sales and their aggressive advertising on the website, which is working against the exclusive. And exclusives are leaving. From a corporate standpoint, they are grasping at straws. "Lets put this back, maybe this will fix it!" It has as much value as a gambler sitting at a fixed roulette wheel being offered a free drink.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 09, 2014, 07:51
And let's call this Whole Lotta Royalties.
More like a whole lotta nothing, I'm afraid. This is just announced, no real advertising to the customers,
Not disagreeing with your other points, but from the email, "We will be aggressively marketing and doing PR around May 14th."
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Mantis on May 09, 2014, 07:51
Oh, here's your "good press":
nd-the-launch-of-subscriptions[/b]-258450871.html]http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/istock-by-getty-images-announces-100-royalty-day-on-may-14-to-celebrate-its-exclusive-artists-and-the-launch-of-subscriptions-258450871.html ([url]http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/istock-by-getty-images-announces-100-royalty-day-on-may-14-to-celebrate-its-exclusive-artists-a[/url][b)



hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......I have my answer now....LAUNCH OF SUBSCRIPTIONS....... Schmucks. What a way to spin a bad thing.
Title: .
Post by: tickstock on May 09, 2014, 09:02
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: JPSDK on May 09, 2014, 09:11
Halleluja.. ONE day of 100% commissions.

Isnt that splendic fantastic, when it should be EVERY SECOND DAY.

We can also calculate it in another way...
You get a payout 60 days per year, and istock takes the payout on the  300 days left.

It a long time since we have seen such an uneven distribution of wealth, we would have to go back to feudal times in the 16th or 17th century, and then such a gesture compares to when the robber barons threw bread crums in the mud to make the peasants happy.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: bunhill on May 09, 2014, 09:35
It a long time since we have seen such an uneven distribution of wealth, we would have to go back to feudal times in the 16th or 17th century, and then such a gesture compares to when the robber barons threw bread crums in the mud to make the peasants happy.

Your universe has a completely different historical timeline to mine. I wonder what else is different.

EDIT: does the person who gave me a minus want to explain why a light hearted comment about historical dates gets voted down? Or was that just knee-jerkery?
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on May 09, 2014, 11:06
From the press release:

" iStock will give 100% of the sales from cash and credit downloads of ..."

So if there are subscription downloads that day, the contributors get their usual royalty?

I realize that calculating 100% of the sale on a subscription is a little less straightforward, but there are a couple of pretty simple options. I hear a bunch of folks talking about big drops in downloads - possibly as a result of a move to subscriptions which right now no one can measure - so not sharing 100% on those seems like a poor choice to me (not to mention ironic given that they're celebrating subscriptions' launch)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: tickstock on May 09, 2014, 11:10
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Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on May 09, 2014, 16:11
 Better than no change, but the way they used to calculate iStock subs would be the 100% way to do it
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Ed on May 09, 2014, 18:40
My thoughts exactly  ;D ;D ;D

(http://i62.tinypic.com/2ivxxs3.jpg)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: iStop on May 10, 2014, 07:22
I still really find it difficult to see this as an act of true good will or as a positive move from iStock to show kind appreciation to their Exclusives. The company is owned by bankers and bankers only do things they deem as good for business. So if iStock throws you a freebie it's because they see some strong benefit to themselves from doing it. In this case it's simple. They just introduced subscriptions which is going to kill off a lot of higher dollar member sales. So they are trying to look like they are doing something good for their members too to diffuse some of the backlash when people's dollar figures really start dropping from subs. If they had really cared about members so much then they wouldn't have shelved the 100% royalty one day a year program to begin with which existed up until 5-6 years ago.
Title: Re: .
Post by: kobajagrande on May 13, 2014, 04:44
Did not read the whole 4 pages of this discussion, but I just want to say one thing:
100% of 0 (zero) is still a 0 (zero) !
So thanks for the great generosity.  ::)
Title: Re: .
Post by: goober on May 13, 2014, 19:54
Audi 5000 got taken out.

I think it's a cynical attempt to get existing contributors to email all their friends and colleagues in an attempt to drive traffic back to IS. It's not that they care about the exclusives. It's a marketing strategy. Like chickens in a pen we get excited when the farmer brings out a fresh bucket of scraps instead of just a handful of grain.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: dingles on May 13, 2014, 22:12
Considering I haven't had credit sale at iStock in days tomorrow looks to be a bust already
Title: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: iStop on May 14, 2014, 03:22
It's all kind of ironic. First Getty makes all my images that are for sale on the Getty site usable on any other web site for free. Then iStock makes all of my images on iStock available for subscription sales. Neither of which I can opt out of either. Then they give me a free day of 100% royalties once they've done everything possible to stop people from paying a reasonable price, or perhaps any price at all for my pictures. Today should be an interesting exercise in futility. 100% of 0 is still 0.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: dpimborough on May 14, 2014, 05:00
As a none exclusive it matters not.

I still just get the 15% royalty rate :(
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: jjneff on May 14, 2014, 05:05
You can bet that I will advertise to buy at iStock today! I will post how my day is going as well here.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 14, 2014, 05:22
You can bet that I will advertise to buy at iStock today! I will post how my day is going as well here.

I guess as we are getting 100% today, it is our job to advertise it.
However, as I don't know any potential buyers, I'm not about to hack off my Fb friends, who are either microstockers themselves or people I know personally.
Good luck with your advertising.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: jjneff on May 14, 2014, 05:52
I don't see one post stating you get 100% for one day would hack anyone off. You don't need to do more then that.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sunnygirl on May 14, 2014, 06:09
Worst May for me, ever (used to be my no.1 selling month). No doughnuts for me today, 100% will go down the drain.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 14, 2014, 07:28
I don't see one post stating you get 100% for one day would hack anyone off. You don't need to do more then that.
I know that not one of those I know personally would be remotely interested in buying stock images, and the existing stockers know anyway.
However, for those with a personal following of buyers, of course, get them to buy on the day which benefits you.  :)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: wds on May 14, 2014, 07:51
Seems like the royalties are not showing as 100% on today's sales, are other's seeing this?
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 14, 2014, 08:05
Seems like the royalties are not showing as 100% on today's sales, are other's seeing this?
That's normal (from previous Punctum days).
Some time later (a couple of weeks?) we'll get the rest added.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Ron on May 14, 2014, 08:35
Seems like the royalties are not showing as 100% on today's sales, are other's seeing this?
That's normal (from previous Punctum days).
Some time later (a couple of weeks?) we'll get the rest added.
Some confidence you have  8)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: oxman on May 14, 2014, 11:05
i am also not getting the 100% commission showing up on Stock Performer. hopefully IS will fund the balance quickly. seems like they could make it happen globally as it happens...

silly me  ::)

Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on May 14, 2014, 11:09
Seems like the royalties are not showing as 100% on today's sales, are other's seeing this?
That's normal (from previous Punctum days).
Some time later (a couple of weeks?) we'll get the rest added.
Some confidence you have  8)
I still have confidence in iStock doing what they say. (Unlike some other sites).
My problem with them is that the things they say they will do are usually not good for me.
They may be asterisks, but at least they are honest asterisks.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Ron on May 14, 2014, 11:14
Seems like the royalties are not showing as 100% on today's sales, are other's seeing this?
That's normal (from previous Punctum days).
Some time later (a couple of weeks?) we'll get the rest added.
Some confidence you have  8)

I still have confidence in iStock doing what they say. (Unlike some others).
My problem with them is that the things they say they will do are usually not good for me.
They may be asterisks, but at least they are honest asterisks.
My comment was basically based on their questionable accounting and programming skills.  8)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on May 14, 2014, 11:26
Seems like the royalties are not showing as 100% on today's sales, are other's seeing this?
That's normal (from previous Punctum days).
Some time later (a couple of weeks?) we'll get the rest added.
Some confidence you have  8)

I still have confidence in iStock doing what they say. (Unlike some others).
My problem with them is that the things they say they will do are usually not good for me.
They may be asterisks, but at least they are honest asterisks.
My comment was basically based on their questionable accounting and programming skills.  8)
Yes, those failings are very disturbing. The best I can say for them is that so far I think they are not making deliberate mistakes
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on May 14, 2014, 12:29
Willful ignorance isn't the same thing as an honest mistake.

Deliberate underfunding of necessary internal accounting and bug fixing to improve the profit picture isn't dishonest, but it isn't ethical either.

Every one of the current accounting or site function problems has been known about for a very long time - and has been repeatedly brought to their attention by contributors and buyers. They are not giving addressing these issues their best effort. Not even close.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ferdinand on May 14, 2014, 12:51
Seems like the royalties are not showing as 100% on today's sales, are other's seeing this?
That's normal (from previous Punctum days).
Some time later (a couple of weeks?) we'll get the rest added.
Some confidence you have  8)
I still have confidence in iStock doing what they say. (Unlike some other sites).
My problem with them is that the things they say they will do are usually not good for me.
They may be asterisks, but at least they are honest asterisks.

it s true - they do not lie - and sometimes they are very comical  -

 lying to thousands of people - like one other  agency often do... is very... very ... morbid...
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: jjneff on May 14, 2014, 16:10
Slowest day of the month for me so far, go figure but I am sure others hit the lottery which is great and am still thrilled iStock did this.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Mantis on May 14, 2014, 16:12
Seems like the royalties are not showing as 100% on today's sales, are other's seeing this?
That's normal (from previous Punctum days).
Some time later (a couple of weeks?) we'll get the rest added.


They'll "run a script" :P
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Marta on May 14, 2014, 16:20
No sales today, 100% of nothing
what a bad joke
:(
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: KB on May 14, 2014, 16:39
it s true - they do not lie -

They said exclusive files would always be shown in search results, no exceptions. Now it is a simple one-click option to exclude most exclusive content (all except the few Main files that exclusives have). The base level of the new subs program also excludes almost all exclusive content (I'm ok with that, as I'm not ok with sub sales ...).

I signed a contract grandfathering me to the next canister level, which at the time meant the next commission level. They didn't exactly lie, but they made the contract meaningless by getting rid of canister-based commissions (and grandfathering the now meaningless canister levels for everyone).

If they don't lie, they definitely play fast and loose with the truth.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: dingles on May 14, 2014, 19:17
100% of 0 for me also...credit sales have been diminishing for a long time...Subscription is making the decline faster. I wish subs were reported in real-time, however I am only exclusive to video so I guess subs won't matter.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on May 14, 2014, 19:20
Guess 100% day isn't the best way to "show appreciation" anymore.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Shelma1 on May 15, 2014, 06:06
How'd the day go for exclusives? As an indie, this was the first time in many months I had a zero download weekday.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: MxR on May 15, 2014, 06:10
me too ZERO.

Indie
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 15, 2014, 06:35
Astoshingly, it was my best non-EL day of the year, which is small cheese to many here, of course, but I was pleasantly surprised, especially as I had 0dls on Monday (and 0 so far today).
I do see several exclusives reporting 0 dl days, in fact low sales are being reported far more than good sales but I can see that if a lot of people have reported really poor days, it's difficult to follow that with 'I had a good day', so nothing conclusive can be gleaned from that thread.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Gannet77 on May 15, 2014, 06:37
How'd the day go for exclusives? As an indie, this was the first time in many months I had a zero download weekday.

Average day for me, nothing special.  The bonus should be more than I would normally expect from the PP, but not as much as I would expect from GI...
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: loop on May 15, 2014, 06:38
Average day, taking in account he new normal after the subs introduction. A bit confusing, too, because they choose this day to began paying credit subscriptions delayed royalties pending from weeks, if not months, ago.

Edited: After looking at my graph: 3rd day in number of downloads for May.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on May 15, 2014, 06:40
Astoshingly, it was my best non-EL day of the year, which is small cheese to many here, of course, but I was pleasantly surprised, especially as I had 0dls on Monday (and 0 so far today).

Best day of the year meaning ... 2 sales? 3 sales?
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 15, 2014, 06:46
Astoshingly, it was my best non-EL day of the year, which is small cheese to many here, of course, but I was pleasantly surprised, especially as I had 0dls on Monday (and 0 so far today).


Best day of the year meaning ... 2 sales? 3 sales?

Better than that, but I'm a bottom feeder nowadays.
Since 22nd April, I've been having a high proportion of Main sales as well as fewer sales, so yesterday was a real upturn in $$ for me.
When you were there, you'd have considered my figures unbelievably poor; I'm only speaking relatively to my recent experience.
Added: here's my earnings chart. You can see yesterday was comparatively excellent, but from a very low base:
(http://www.lizworld.com/1.jpg)
Hmm, I see I did get a sale on Monday - memory failing :-[
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: fotoVoyager on May 15, 2014, 07:38
I sold 10% of the number of images I did last time we had a 100% day.

That's not good.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 15, 2014, 08:09
On 7th August 2009, I had 4 dls and $4.11 - right in the Summer Slump.
The year before, I got 2 dls, but one was an EL. Prices were so much lower then, too.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sunnygirl on May 15, 2014, 08:41
One sale from S+ and that's all. It's good considering the whole iS best match ranking now...
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: asiseeit on May 15, 2014, 08:51
"I had a good day"  :D

And 11 Vettas in one day was nice too.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Colonel on May 15, 2014, 08:51
I got a massive 3 sales... not really worth being exclusive for those sorts of numbers, but then again I can't be bothered uploading to 50 thousand other sites...
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ShadySue on May 15, 2014, 08:53
"I had a good day"  :D

And 11 Vettas in one day was nice too.

Wow!!!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: dingles on May 15, 2014, 10:26
no video credit sales for me...got one image sale for $0.48.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: oxman on May 15, 2014, 13:40
my stats are still showing my exclusive commission income and not the 100% commission. both in IS stats and Stock Performer. are you folks seeing the 100% income on your sales yesterday?

 :o
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on May 15, 2014, 13:43
my stats are still showing my exclusive commission income and not the 100% commission. both in IS stats and Stock Performer. are you folks seeing the 100% income on your sales yesterday?

 :o

Be prepared to wait a few weeks or so, as detailed in the forum.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: oxman on May 15, 2014, 13:57
my stats are still showing my exclusive commission income and not the 100% commission. both in IS stats and Stock Performer. are you folks seeing the 100% income on your sales yesterday?

 :o

Be prepared to wait a few weeks or so, as detailed in the forum.

thanks...  8)
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: ranplett on May 16, 2014, 00:49
Average day, taking in account he new normal after the subs introduction. A bit confusing, too, because they choose this day to began paying credit subscriptions delayed royalties pending from weeks, if not months, ago.

How bizarre that they chose to pay the delayed royalties then.. looking at my charts, I actually got less income than I thought. Why this day? Were they trying to pad the stats to make it look like we are earning more?? So lame.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: shudderstok on May 16, 2014, 01:11
Astoshingly, it was my best non-EL day of the year, which is small cheese to many here, of course, but I was pleasantly surprised, especially as I had 0dls on Monday (and 0 so far today).

Best day of the year meaning ... 2 sales? 3 sales?

get over yourself amigo
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on May 16, 2014, 07:02
No, it was a serious question.  She said she had zero two days before and zero yesterday, so I was wondering what qualified as a "best day" any more in that situation.  Enough to make it worth anything?
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on May 16, 2014, 09:42
What would be wrong with 30-40% of sales are year long?
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: iStop on May 19, 2014, 11:09
If they really want to impress exclusives, help them to make a bit more money again without having to heavily tweak the best match all the time then they can try doing this once a month. That might be enough to stop some of the crown dropping. But as far as I am concerned, this one off day came and went and that's the problem with it, it's gone and forgotten. Once a month and people would actually take some notice of it perhaps. Too bad corporate bottom line chasing will prevent this notion.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: JPSDK on May 19, 2014, 12:32
I didnt sell any cockroach images.
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: martinlubpl on May 28, 2014, 01:59
Have anyone received 100% royalties yet? Any news when these will be paid? I'm counting my income from may and i cannot find 100% day royalties... :-\
Title: Re: 100% Royalty Day May 14, 2014
Post by: BoBoBolinski on May 28, 2014, 02:23
Have anyone received 100% royalties yet? Any news when these will be paid? I'm counting my income from may and i cannot find 100% day royalties... :-\
End of the month I think has been mentioned ( ie. end of May) It's in the Exclusives forum discussion.