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CarlssonInc

« Reply #475 on: December 30, 2011, 05:08 »
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If my eyes are not playing tricks on me and I haven't kept meticulous notes of file placement, it looks like the search is slightly less skewed towards only new files and a few better performers have started to rise? Anyone else seeing the same thing?

Could the current search with it's heavy tilt towards new files be a countermeasure to the new files not being shown properly in Nov/Dec? To give them a chance to be seen before resuming "normality" in regards to the best match search?

Unfortunately independent files are nowhere to be seen.

Hi Martin!

Looks the same to me really. They dont have to show any indy files since they are being mirrored at TS. They are counting on that independants will just sit quietly and watch their files being transfered.
This is where they are doing the mistake. Many will deactivate their most commercial files and ports, before the move. I have deactivated 90, of my most sold files, blue and red flames, etc. Reason being, I dont want that kind of stuff to end up in what is widely regarded as the ultimate dumping-ground. It gives a bad name, bad image, etc.
I personally know several creatives within ad-agencies, design-groups, ADs, etc, who will ONLY consult Getty for RM and RF and maybe the original IS but they certainly would not shop at TS! mind you, having said that, the majority, Im sure go to SS, today that is.

I understand what you are saying. However, from an exclusive point-of-view TS is on par with what Shutterstock is for an independent (in terms of royalties, model etc.).

Why on par ?
I make 42c vs 36c on SS as an exclusive.
That is 16% more!

Well both are low, but in the same ballpark. I'm sure you understood what I meant.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2011, 05:20 by CarlssonInc. Stock Imagery Production »


« Reply #476 on: December 30, 2011, 05:11 »
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Top whack on SS is 38c but the overall average is about 55c per sale - for me, anyway.

« Reply #477 on: December 30, 2011, 05:26 »
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Top whack on SS is 38c but the overall average is about 55c per sale - for me, anyway.

Top whack on IS/TS is 44c so its still a 15.7% difference.
You average 55c on ALL sales, not ONLY subscription sales.
My average is 3.3$ including TS downloads.

lagereek

« Reply #478 on: December 30, 2011, 05:30 »
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If my eyes are not playing tricks on me and I haven't kept meticulous notes of file placement, it looks like the search is slightly less skewed towards only new files and a few better performers have started to rise? Anyone else seeing the same thing?

Could the current search with it's heavy tilt towards new files be a countermeasure to the new files not being shown properly in Nov/Dec? To give them a chance to be seen before resuming "normality" in regards to the best match search?

Unfortunately independent files are nowhere to be seen.

Hi Martin!

Looks the same to me really. They dont have to show any indy files since they are being mirrored at TS. They are counting on that independants will just sit quietly and watch their files being transfered.
This is where they are doing the mistake. Many will deactivate their most commercial files and ports, before the move. I have deactivated 90, of my most sold files, blue and red flames, etc. Reason being, I dont want that kind of stuff to end up in what is widely regarded as the ultimate dumping-ground. It gives a bad name, bad image, etc.
I personally know several creatives within ad-agencies, design-groups, ADs, etc, who will ONLY consult Getty for RM and RF and maybe the original IS but they certainly would not shop at TS! mind you, having said that, the majority, Im sure go to SS, today that is.

I understand what you are saying. However, from an exclusive point-of-view TS is on par with what Shutterstock is for an independent (in terms of royalties, model etc.).

Why on par ?
I make 42c vs 36c on SS as an exclusive.
That is 16% more!

Yeah,  ONLY at SS, they will sell ten times more per day!  plus all the 2.75. SODs plus all the ELs. TS, is a graveyard.  So what would you rather have?  5 x your rate or like me 50 x the SS rate/per day, plus 10 x SODs plus averagte of an EL/  all per day.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2011, 05:35 by lagereek »

CarlssonInc

« Reply #479 on: December 30, 2011, 05:35 »
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If my eyes are not playing tricks on me and I haven't kept meticulous notes of file placement, it looks like the search is slightly less skewed towards only new files and a few better performers have started to rise? Anyone else seeing the same thing?

Could the current search with it's heavy tilt towards new files be a countermeasure to the new files not being shown properly in Nov/Dec? To give them a chance to be seen before resuming "normality" in regards to the best match search?

Unfortunately independent files are nowhere to be seen.

Hi Martin!

Looks the same to me really. They dont have to show any indy files since they are being mirrored at TS. They are counting on that independants will just sit quietly and watch their files being transfered.
This is where they are doing the mistake. Many will deactivate their most commercial files and ports, before the move. I have deactivated 90, of my most sold files, blue and red flames, etc. Reason being, I dont want that kind of stuff to end up in what is widely regarded as the ultimate dumping-ground. It gives a bad name, bad image, etc.
I personally know several creatives within ad-agencies, design-groups, ADs, etc, who will ONLY consult Getty for RM and RF and maybe the original IS but they certainly would not shop at TS! mind you, having said that, the majority, Im sure go to SS, today that is.

I understand what you are saying. However, from an exclusive point-of-view TS is on par with what Shutterstock is for an independent (in terms of royalties, model etc.).

Why on par ?
I make 42c vs 36c on SS as an exclusive.
That is 16% more!

Yeah,  ONLY at SS, they will sell ten times more per day!  plus all the 2.75. SODs plus all the ELs. TS, is a graveyard.  So what would you rather have?

Completely understand that the volume at SS is much greater at the moment. But I guess TS has to be viewed as an extension of IS and with Getty behind it the future may be that it will rival SS in volume at the same model?

With the above in mind I fail to see why TS would be so much worse than SS? It is the same model at the same price level, viewed together as a unit with IS and with Getty behind it it's prospects are perhaps not that bleak?

Why call it a "dumping ground" when a combined IS/TS is the Getty equivalent to SS? Just thinking out loud.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2011, 05:39 by CarlssonInc. Stock Imagery Production »

« Reply #480 on: December 30, 2011, 05:45 »
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Why call it a "dumping ground" when a combined IS/TS is the Getty equivalent to SS? Just thinking out loud.

That's rather how I see it, too. And it isn't a graveyard, either. If I separate them out, TS is my fourth largest earning agency, just behind DT and it's been consistently better than Fotolia ever was for me (three to four times better most months). Of course, that could change.

lagereek

« Reply #481 on: December 30, 2011, 05:46 »
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If my eyes are not playing tricks on me and I haven't kept meticulous notes of file placement, it looks like the search is slightly less skewed towards only new files and a few better performers have started to rise? Anyone else seeing the same thing?

Could the current search with it's heavy tilt towards new files be a countermeasure to the new files not being shown properly in Nov/Dec? To give them a chance to be seen before resuming "normality" in regards to the best match search?

Unfortunately independent files are nowhere to be seen.

Hi Martin!

Looks the same to me really. They dont have to show any indy files since they are being mirrored at TS. They are counting on that independants will just sit quietly and watch their files being transfered.
This is where they are doing the mistake. Many will deactivate their most commercial files and ports, before the move. I have deactivated 90, of my most sold files, blue and red flames, etc. Reason being, I dont want that kind of stuff to end up in what is widely regarded as the ultimate dumping-ground. It gives a bad name, bad image, etc.
I personally know several creatives within ad-agencies, design-groups, ADs, etc, who will ONLY consult Getty for RM and RF and maybe the original IS but they certainly would not shop at TS! mind you, having said that, the majority, Im sure go to SS, today that is.

I understand what you are saying. However, from an exclusive point-of-view TS is on par with what Shutterstock is for an independent (in terms of royalties, model etc.).

Why on par ?
I make 42c vs 36c on SS as an exclusive.
That is 16% more!

Yeah,  ONLY at SS, they will sell ten times more per day!  plus all the 2.75. SODs plus all the ELs. TS, is a graveyard.  So what would you rather have?

Completely understand that the volume at SS is much greater at the moment. But I guess TS has to be viewed as an extension of IS and with Getty behind it the future may be that it will rival SS in volume at the same model?

With the above in mind I fail to see why TS would be so much worse than SS? It is the same model at the same price level, viewed together as a unit with IS and with Getty behind it it's prospects are perhaps not that bleak?

Why call it a "dumping ground" when a combined IS/TS is the Getty equivalent to SS? Just thinking out loud.

Well maybe not a dumping-ground as such but you know what I mean. Thats where Getty/IS, will throw all independant files in the world, regardless of high quality or not, so in the end buyers will still have to wade through tons of irrelevant material.

lagereek

« Reply #482 on: December 30, 2011, 05:48 »
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Why call it a "dumping ground" when a combined IS/TS is the Getty equivalent to SS? Just thinking out loud.

That's rather how I see it, too. And it isn't a graveyard, either. If I separate them out, TS is my fourth largest earning agency, just behind DT and it's been consistently better than Fotolia ever was for me (three to four times better most months). Of course, that could change.

Blimey!  I didnt even know you were with TS, I thought somewhere you said you didnt go for them?  oh well I might be wrong, or was Gostwyck,  cant remember.

CarlssonInc

« Reply #483 on: December 30, 2011, 05:54 »
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If my eyes are not playing tricks on me and I haven't kept meticulous notes of file placement, it looks like the search is slightly less skewed towards only new files and a few better performers have started to rise? Anyone else seeing the same thing?

Could the current search with it's heavy tilt towards new files be a countermeasure to the new files not being shown properly in Nov/Dec? To give them a chance to be seen before resuming "normality" in regards to the best match search?

Unfortunately independent files are nowhere to be seen.

Hi Martin!

Looks the same to me really. They dont have to show any indy files since they are being mirrored at TS. They are counting on that independants will just sit quietly and watch their files being transfered.
This is where they are doing the mistake. Many will deactivate their most commercial files and ports, before the move. I have deactivated 90, of my most sold files, blue and red flames, etc. Reason being, I dont want that kind of stuff to end up in what is widely regarded as the ultimate dumping-ground. It gives a bad name, bad image, etc.
I personally know several creatives within ad-agencies, design-groups, ADs, etc, who will ONLY consult Getty for RM and RF and maybe the original IS but they certainly would not shop at TS! mind you, having said that, the majority, Im sure go to SS, today that is.

I understand what you are saying. However, from an exclusive point-of-view TS is on par with what Shutterstock is for an independent (in terms of royalties, model etc.).

Why on par ?
I make 42c vs 36c on SS as an exclusive.
That is 16% more!

Yeah,  ONLY at SS, they will sell ten times more per day!  plus all the 2.75. SODs plus all the ELs. TS, is a graveyard.  So what would you rather have?

Completely understand that the volume at SS is much greater at the moment. But I guess TS has to be viewed as an extension of IS and with Getty behind it the future may be that it will rival SS in volume at the same model?

With the above in mind I fail to see why TS would be so much worse than SS? It is the same model at the same price level, viewed together as a unit with IS and with Getty behind it it's prospects are perhaps not that bleak?

Why call it a "dumping ground" when a combined IS/TS is the Getty equivalent to SS? Just thinking out loud.

Well maybe not a dumping-ground as such but you know what I mean. Thats where Getty/IS, will throw all independant files in the world, regardless of high quality or not, so in the end buyers will still have to wade through tons of irrelevant material.

I must be slow today! Yet again I fail to see the vast difference. The majority of all independent files are at all the independent agencies such as SS, why would those images + the ones from iStock exclusives turn irrelevant all of a sudden just because they are at TS? Or do you mean the ones that are going to be transferred from "proper" Getty RM/RF to TS turn irrelevant when they end up at TS?

CarlssonInc

« Reply #484 on: December 30, 2011, 06:01 »
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Had a quick look at the search at TS and it looks fine to me? Certainly doesn't return anything that looks highly irrelevant or particularly low quality. Most of the stuff I see are the same as on iStock from independents and exclusives, as well as SS.

« Reply #485 on: December 30, 2011, 06:11 »
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Why call it a "dumping ground" when a combined IS/TS is the Getty equivalent to SS? Just thinking out loud.

That's rather how I see it, too. And it isn't a graveyard, either. If I separate them out, TS is my fourth largest earning agency, just behind DT and it's been consistently better than Fotolia ever was for me (three to four times better most months). Of course, that could change.

Blimey!  I didnt even know you were with TS, I thought somewhere you said you didnt go for them?  oh well I might be wrong, or was Gostwyck,  cant remember.

I was very sceptical when it was announced and made some posts accordingly. However, I pretty quickly revised my opinion and decided that the arguments against it were just a rerun of the arguments the trads made against the micros in the first place and that resistance was futile and counterproductive. You won't have seen a post from me against it for getting on for two years now. Gostwyck has been consistently against it.

« Reply #486 on: December 30, 2011, 06:29 »
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Had a quick look at the search at TS and it looks fine to me? Certainly doesn't return anything that looks highly irrelevant or particularly low quality. Most of the stuff I see are the same as on iStock from independents and exclusives, as well as SS.

Yes, the talk about it all being third-rate cr@p is nonsense. In niche markets, Istock files are well up the search but if you check "business" you find only about 10-20% of the files are from iS on the first page of the search (which is a good mix from different agencies). It's also worth noting there are 720,000 files on TS for business, compared with 550,000 on iStock, which may explain why some people don't do too well there: if you are concentrating on the top-selling subjects the competition is intense and iS content is getting limited exposure.

« Reply #487 on: December 30, 2011, 06:40 »
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Looking through the business results, I must say that it seems to me that the "mutual inspiration" on iStock has led to a same-ishness in the content that TS has escaped from because of the diversity of its source material. For that particular search I would reckon TS beats iS.
Maybe people need to start looking beyond the top of the search by dls on the micros to get "inspired".

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #488 on: December 30, 2011, 07:42 »
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If my eyes are not playing tricks on me and I haven't kept meticulous notes of file placement, it looks like the search is slightly less skewed towards only new files and a few better performers have started to rise? Anyone else seeing the same thing?
Ever since the current 'only exclusives on the first (few) page(s) best match, there have been different results on different searches, which actually has been the case for a while now. So for example, in the test searches I do, "African Elephant" is still totally dominated by recent uploads, so that two people dominate the top of that search, apart from one V and one A right at the beginning.
'Elephant', however, is totally dominated by Vetta images, so that CSA is still hogging the first page.
'Iceberg' seems to be pretty mixed, though (other thab exclusives only) - can't work it out at all.
'Telesales' seems to have a 'contributor' bias, at several price points, in the top screen but new files are not hogging the very top.
If I get time, I'll compare my screenshots from the weekend, but I think that'll only be African Elephant and Iceberg.

Whatever, although my December started well up, sales this week are well below the same week in previous years, so any 'exclusive boost' isn't helping me!
« Last Edit: December 30, 2011, 07:46 by ShadySue »

lagereek

« Reply #489 on: December 30, 2011, 07:50 »
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Had a quick look at the search at TS and it looks fine to me? Certainly doesn't return anything that looks highly irrelevant or particularly low quality. Most of the stuff I see are the same as on iStock from independents and exclusives, as well as SS.

Yes, the talk about it all being third-rate cr@p is nonsense. In niche markets, Istock files are well up the search but if you check "business" you find only about 10-20% of the files are from iS on the first page of the search (which is a good mix from different agencies). It's also worth noting there are 720,000 files on TS for business, compared with 550,000 on iStock, which may explain why some people don't do too well there: if you are concentrating on the top-selling subjects the competition is intense and iS content is getting limited exposure.

had a look at the TS search, first time really and I agree, not bad stuff at all, in fact I am surprised. However, its not only that, is it?  I mean before we know it, they start messing with their search and then what?  we are back to square one, same as with IS, and the wheel starts spinning yet again.
See what I mean, all this business with the IS, search for years and one becomes paranoid. :-\

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #490 on: December 30, 2011, 07:59 »
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Yeah, but if you don't change the best match, all that happens is that some contributors benefit at the expense of others, and buyers keep seeing the same stuff at the top of searches every time, or with very little change.

Swings and roundabouts. Not that I'm defending the current best match.

« Reply #491 on: December 30, 2011, 08:31 »
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There are lots of ways of making a best match compensate for reinforcing effects without necessarily overturning the apple cart. Anyway, there's no knowing whether they are going to play silly-Bs with the TS search or not. I wouldn't think there is the same pressure on them to favour one group or another as there is at iStock. They don't stand to gain hugely from the sale of a file from one collection compared with the sale from another.

wut

« Reply #492 on: December 30, 2011, 08:41 »
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For me to even consider, leaving the rest of my port at IS, I will have to see it get back to at least 50% of the normal intake or else considering the ancient upload-process and everything?  just isnt worth the time.

Christian - you are familiar with DeepMeta right? Makes it a doodle to upload, organising releases, update keywords and lots of other tasks.

Are you serious? DM is prehistoric compared to other sites. You still have to tick/check boxes besides keywords and while you can do it for multiple photos at the time, it's still a lot of work, at least for me, because I have differently keyworded images (only similars share them). DM really isn't much of an improvement, so I don't even use it because I don't UL much. In fact it's the worst piece of software I've ever used, but what can you expect from IS, which is by far the worst MS site to use, the most time consuming, most unintuitive and by far the buggiest site (not only MS site, but generally speaking). It amazes me it doesn't frustrate way more ppl

wut

« Reply #493 on: December 30, 2011, 08:49 »
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If my eyes are not playing tricks on me and I haven't kept meticulous notes of file placement, it looks like the search is slightly less skewed towards only new files and a few better performers have started to rise? Anyone else seeing the same thing?

Could the current search with it's heavy tilt towards new files be a countermeasure to the new files not being shown properly in Nov/Dec? To give them a chance to be seen before resuming "normality" in regards to the best match search?

Unfortunately independent files are nowhere to be seen.

Hi Martin!

Looks the same to me really. They dont have to show any indy files since they are being mirrored at TS. They are counting on that independants will just sit quietly and watch their files being transfered.
This is where they are doing the mistake. Many will deactivate their most commercial files and ports, before the move. I have deactivated 90, of my most sold files, blue and red flames, etc. Reason being, I dont want that kind of stuff to end up in what is widely regarded as the ultimate dumping-ground. It gives a bad name, bad image, etc.
I personally know several creatives within ad-agencies, design-groups, ADs, etc, who will ONLY consult Getty for RM and RF and maybe the original IS but they certainly would not shop at TS! mind you, having said that, the majority, Im sure go to SS, today that is.

I understand what you are saying. However, from an exclusive point-of-view TS is on par with what Shutterstock is for an independent (in terms of royalties, model etc.).

Why on par ?
I make 42c vs 36c on SS as an exclusive.
That is 16% more!

It's so funny how incredibly stubborn some of you hardcore exclusives are ;D . Always deliberately forgetting ODs, SODs and EL at SS, which actually happen, which account for let's say 1/3 up to 2/3 of our sales, so many are averaging more than at IS excluding PP sales. When we include PP sales, the RPD is pathetic, way way lower than at SS. In fact way way lower than at any other site.

But I can understand you talking such nonsense, since you don't have a clue about other sites. And how can you, I really don't blame you for that, you're isolated in your rosy Getty world.

wut

« Reply #494 on: December 30, 2011, 09:00 »
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Completely understand that the volume at SS is much greater at the moment. But I guess TS has to be viewed as an extension of IS and with Getty behind it the future may be that it will rival SS in volume at the same model?

With the above in mind I fail to see why TS would be so much worse than SS? It is the same model at the same price level, viewed together as a unit with IS and with Getty behind it it's prospects are perhaps not that bleak?

Just wait until they have enough content and make the cuts ;) . Then you'll see why it's so much worse than SS, even if they manage to get the same volume - which I don't know what you're basing on, since traffic to IS is falling at a dramatic level, so do earnings for most, save the select group and some really outstanding contributors

CarlssonInc

« Reply #495 on: December 30, 2011, 09:05 »
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Had a quick look at the search at TS and it looks fine to me? Certainly doesn't return anything that looks highly irrelevant or particularly low quality. Most of the stuff I see are the same as on iStock from independents and exclusives, as well as SS.

Yes, the talk about it all being third-rate cr@p is nonsense. In niche markets, Istock files are well up the search but if you check "business" you find only about 10-20% of the files are from iS on the first page of the search (which is a good mix from different agencies). It's also worth noting there are 720,000 files on TS for business, compared with 550,000 on iStock, which may explain why some people don't do too well there: if you are concentrating on the top-selling subjects the competition is intense and iS content is getting limited exposure.

had a look at the TS search, first time really and I agree, not bad stuff at all, in fact I am surprised. However, its not only that, is it?  I mean before we know it, they start messing with their search and then what?  we are back to square one, same as with IS, and the wheel starts spinning yet again.
See what I mean, all this business with the IS, search for years and one becomes paranoid. :-\

Have the thought not crossed your mind that SS or any of the other significant "independent" agencies might get inspired by IS and start their own messing about with their searches....no-one is never safe...nothing will stay the same :)
« Last Edit: December 30, 2011, 09:08 by CarlssonInc. Stock Imagery Production »

CarlssonInc

« Reply #496 on: December 30, 2011, 09:14 »
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If my eyes are not playing tricks on me and I haven't kept meticulous notes of file placement, it looks like the search is slightly less skewed towards only new files and a few better performers have started to rise? Anyone else seeing the same thing?

Could the current search with it's heavy tilt towards new files be a countermeasure to the new files not being shown properly in Nov/Dec? To give them a chance to be seen before resuming "normality" in regards to the best match search?

Unfortunately independent files are nowhere to be seen.

Hi Martin!

Looks the same to me really. They dont have to show any indy files since they are being mirrored at TS. They are counting on that independants will just sit quietly and watch their files being transfered.
This is where they are doing the mistake. Many will deactivate their most commercial files and ports, before the move. I have deactivated 90, of my most sold files, blue and red flames, etc. Reason being, I dont want that kind of stuff to end up in what is widely regarded as the ultimate dumping-ground. It gives a bad name, bad image, etc.
I personally know several creatives within ad-agencies, design-groups, ADs, etc, who will ONLY consult Getty for RM and RF and maybe the original IS but they certainly would not shop at TS! mind you, having said that, the majority, Im sure go to SS, today that is.

I understand what you are saying. However, from an exclusive point-of-view TS is on par with what Shutterstock is for an independent (in terms of royalties, model etc.).

Why on par ?
I make 42c vs 36c on SS as an exclusive.
That is 16% more!

It's so funny how incredibly stubborn some of you hardcore exclusives are ;D . Always deliberately forgetting ODs, SODs and EL at SS, which actually happen, which account for let's say 1/3 up to 2/3 of our sales, so many are averaging more than at IS excluding PP sales. When we include PP sales, the RPD is pathetic, way way lower than at SS. In fact way way lower than at any other site.

But I can understand you talking such nonsense, since you don't have a clue about other sites. And how can you, I really don't blame you for that, you're isolated in your rosy Getty world.

Not forgetting anything, hence the argument that perhaps for exclusives IS&TS should be lumped together for comparable reasons (like for like) to SS and similars. Naturally TS is not yet on par with SS in the subscription segment, but who knows what will happen with time and Getty behind it. Is TS Getty's attack on SS?

No, I don't know much about the other sites, not in details, only bits and pieces, in a nonsensical kind of way.

CarlssonInc

« Reply #497 on: December 30, 2011, 09:16 »
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Completely understand that the volume at SS is much greater at the moment. But I guess TS has to be viewed as an extension of IS and with Getty behind it the future may be that it will rival SS in volume at the same model?

With the above in mind I fail to see why TS would be so much worse than SS? It is the same model at the same price level, viewed together as a unit with IS and with Getty behind it it's prospects are perhaps not that bleak?

Just wait until they have enough content and make the cuts ;) . Then you'll see why it's so much worse than SS, even if they manage to get the same volume - which I don't know what you're basing on, since traffic to IS is falling at a dramatic level, so do earnings for most, save the select group and some really outstanding contributors

Don't think for a moment any cuts will be made before they have a firm grip around SS's neck...figuratively speaking and pure speculation only of course.

wut

« Reply #498 on: December 30, 2011, 09:25 »
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Completely understand that the volume at SS is much greater at the moment. But I guess TS has to be viewed as an extension of IS and with Getty behind it the future may be that it will rival SS in volume at the same model?

With the above in mind I fail to see why TS would be so much worse than SS? It is the same model at the same price level, viewed together as a unit with IS and with Getty behind it it's prospects are perhaps not that bleak?

Just wait until they have enough content and make the cuts ;) . Then you'll see why it's so much worse than SS, even if they manage to get the same volume - which I don't know what you're basing on, since traffic to IS is falling at a dramatic level, so do earnings for most, save the select group and some really outstanding contributors

Don't think for a moment any cuts will be made before they have a firm grip around SS's neck...figuratively speaking and pure speculation only of course.

Well just have to sit back and wait for a while to see TS's progress. IMO, we won't live long enough to witness it (or MS will simply seize to exist before that), I don't think any (sub)site can endanger SS. They offer great prices, great site, that's always working, search results that mostly deliver good results and don't screw the contributors (which as we all know are often buyers as well or they're at least connected with them). They're top sub site from the start. Now they're smartly adding new ways of buying images, without complicating anything for the buyers.

All that being said, I'm not loving SS, being a SS cheerleader etc. They're just the best that an independent can deal with, for most anyway. If they'd still give raises every year, than I could easily even say that I care deeply about them ;D . But in the situation that MS is in, we really can't realistically expect to get much more.

lagereek

« Reply #499 on: December 30, 2011, 09:30 »
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No!  there is no reason for SS, to start messing around with their search, they have not got an exclusivity program!  everone is an independant ( thats where they went right from the start). i.e.  they dont have to construde a search, geared towards certain contributors or any other funny stuff. It wouldnt render anything.

Wut!  is right though, many IS exclusives ( not saying you in particular)  but they do not want to listen to all the SOD, EL, etc, etc, but want to think of it, just as a subs site. Yet, many times per week, my SOD sales, EL, etc, are by far outnumbering the subs.

Other good agencies as FT and DT, yes sometimes they do a change but within reason,  reason for everybody, not like IS, totally demolishing many portfolios. Nobody minds a constructive search-change. Not destructive changes.


 

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