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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2008, 10:30 »
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BTW who is JJRD?


see here -> http://www.istockphoto.com/article_view.php?ID=385

BTW who is bittersweet?  ;)  Maybe somebody on this "whos who" list?
« Last Edit: July 23, 2008, 10:41 by faber »


michealo

« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2008, 10:44 »
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[.................
BTW who is JJRD?


see here -> http://www.istockphoto.com/article_view.php?ID=385

BTW who is bittersweet?  ;)  Maybe somebody on this "whos who" list?


He or she staunchly claims not to be ...

« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2008, 10:58 »
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He or she staunchly claims not to be ...

As far as I know bittersweet said he is not "bitter", but the list is quite long.....

LOL, this little secret will keep us busy for some time.....stay tuned, the quest for bittersweet will continue after the commercial break.... ;D

Microbius

« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2008, 10:58 »
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There's at least one IStock employee here I know about, but it doesn't really matter. Any exclusive should tow the IStock line as their financial future is so closely tied up with IStock's success.
Any post by an IStock exclusive should be viewed with this in mind.

vonkara

« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2008, 11:33 »
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LOL, this little secret will keep us busy for some time.....stay tuned, the quest for bittersweet will continue after the commercial break.... ;D
Commercial break blow my mind. I will zap to another thread
« Last Edit: July 23, 2008, 11:36 by Vonkara »

Microbius

« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2008, 12:11 »
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Deleted because trying to work out who bittersweet is might not be very nice to him/ her (not sure about the etiquette here?)
« Last Edit: July 23, 2008, 12:14 by Microbius »

bittersweet

« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2008, 12:27 »
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Deleted because trying to work out who bittersweet is might not be very nice to him/ her (not sure about the etiquette here?)

Darn! I missed the wild speculation session. I would bet my life that whatever conclusion you came to was wrong, but I would have been interested to see your thought process.  ;)

« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2008, 18:44 »
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I agree that they're great images but would be interesting to see if any old schmuck could get them accepted. 

It has been said over and over and over again by JJRD that the "overfiltered" rejection is not used in the case of artistic images that are very well done. Bruce himself has stated that their inspection philosophy is that for a borderline image, they are to look for a reason to accept. It is really sad that some people are so adamant that any rejection they ever get MUST be because they are not exclusive or because istock sucks or any other thing except the flicker of possibility that it might actually have something to do with the merits of their own images.

In my opinion, it's really rude and disrespectful to have even posted this thread at all. Any beef you may have with istock should not involve singling out and calling into question another artist's abilities on a public forum. It comes across as petty and jealous, and really lends no credence whatsoever to any of your conspiracy theories.

Bittersweet, how does my comment in any way call "into question another artist's abilities on a public forum"?  I mean, for god's sake, the part of my post you quoted has me saying, "I agree they're great images".  What a stupid response.

Seriously this really bugs me.  I thought this was supposed to be an independent "meeting place for microstock photographers" where you could express views and discuss the particular sites.  I never, ever questioned the ability of the artist in question and the fact that you have turned my comments around to try to portray that in an effort to "protect" iStock is pretty pathetic and transparent.  I mean god's sake, it's not like I even attacked iStock in any major way.  The whole thing was a bit tongue in cheek. 

Is iStock that precious that it can't take a bit of a ribbing?
« Last Edit: July 23, 2008, 19:05 by Cooper »

« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2008, 19:12 »
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Personally I think that most of them are really great images and I think Artist of the week is well deserved.


Freeze, I have to agree...cudos and let it rest  ;)

bittersweet

« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2008, 19:50 »
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I agree that they're great images but would be interesting to see if any old schmuck could get them accepted. 

It has been said over and over and over again by JJRD that the "overfiltered" rejection is not used in the case of artistic images that are very well done. Bruce himself has stated that their inspection philosophy is that for a borderline image, they are to look for a reason to accept. It is really sad that some people are so adamant that any rejection they ever get MUST be because they are not exclusive or because istock sucks or any other thing except the flicker of possibility that it might actually have something to do with the merits of their own images.

In my opinion, it's really rude and disrespectful to have even posted this thread at all. Any beef you may have with istock should not involve singling out and calling into question another artist's abilities on a public forum. It comes across as petty and jealous, and really lends no credence whatsoever to any of your conspiracy theories.

Bittersweet, how does my comment in any way call "into question another artist's abilities on a public forum"?  I mean, for god's sake, the part of my post you quoted has me saying, "I agree they're great images".  What a stupid response.

Seriously this really bugs me.  I thought this was supposed to be an independent "meeting place for microstock photographers" where you could express views and discuss the particular sites.  I never, ever questioned the ability of the artist in question and the fact that you have turned my comments around to try to portray that in an effort to "protect" iStock is pretty pathetic and transparent.  I mean god's sake, it's not like I even attacked iStock in any major way.  The whole thing was a bit tongue in cheek. 

Is iStock that precious that it can't take a bit of a ribbing?

the "any old shmuck" part was what I was replying to in your post. It implies that the image was accepted because of who the artist is, not solely on its own merits.

The rest of my comments were not directed at you, but more general statements about many other things that have been said and implied here. The OP said "why wasn't this rejected" and of course someone had to follow up with the usual assumption that it just MUST be an exclusive image (the seriously tired mantra of the rejected). They never even took the time to check before just posting complete BS.

I just get sick of seeing the same whiny baseless claims being made inserted into every single thread that involves anything at all to do with istock. As I always wonder, WHY do you all put up with it if it's so terrible? Nothing would thrill me more than to see a mass exodus of all the mistreated oppressed contributors who hate hate hate big evil istock. It would be less competition for the rest of us.  ;D

bittersweet

« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2008, 19:54 »
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I thought this was supposed to be an independent "meeting place for microstock photographers" where you could express views and discuss the particular sites. 
It is, and the subject of this thread is one of those photographers who quite possibly is a member here. Put yourself in his/her place for a moment, re-read the comments made in this thread (the majority of which are not positive), and see if you can stretch your imagination to understand that it was not istock that I was "protecting".

tan510jomast

« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2008, 20:03 »
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ohhh never mnd.. on second thought! (withdrawn) ;D
« Last Edit: July 24, 2008, 10:59 by tan510jomast »

« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2008, 20:21 »
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Hey, I think the character studies by the AOTW are wonderful ... I even went to his website -really great work ... but I do think there is a valid discussion to be had about double standards on istock ... and I am not talking about the AOTW here ... hands down, his pics are great. I am not calling into question his "worthiness", if you will. I think his merit is clear. But it does raise the issue of double standards ... sorry, but if I had submitted those photos (and I wish I had half the skills he does) they would have been rejected without a doubt.

« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2008, 20:35 »
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I thought this was supposed to be an independent "meeting place for microstock photographers" where you could express views and discuss the particular sites. 
It is, and the subject of this thread is one of those photographers who quite possibly is a member here. Put yourself in his/her place for a moment, re-read the comments made in this thread (the majority of which are not positive), and see if you can stretch your imagination to understand that it was not istock that I was "protecting".
Seriously Bittersweet, I don't want to get into a debate on forums (hate that) but I would have to disagree that "the majority...are not positive".  I've reread the thread and just about every poster has commented that they are great pictures.

And never did I complain about iStock rejections.  I have a pretty good acceptance rate there.

« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2008, 08:53 »
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I think Istock's rejection policy when it comes to postprocessing is fairly decent.

When the result (in hindsight) was questionable it was rejected. Recently i had an image in which (in my humble opinion) the PP complements/enhances the photo even though it distorts the appearance.

Was it accepted?

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=6690732 [nofollow]

*grin*

« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2008, 10:07 »
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There's at least one IStock employee here I know about, but it doesn't really matter. Any exclusive should tow the IStock line as their financial future is so closely tied up with IStock's success.
Any post by an IStock exclusive should be viewed with this in mind.

If you think that exclusives agree with every iStock action you really need to read more.

Microbius

« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2008, 02:47 »
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There's at least one IStock employee here I know about, but it doesn't really matter. Any exclusive should tow the IStock line as their financial future is so closely tied up with IStock's success.
Any post by an IStock exclusive should be viewed with this in mind.

If you think that exclusives agree with every iStock action you really need to read more.
Love your work.
I am not saying exclusives agree with every action IStock takes.
My post said they should tow the line. The exclusive agreement means you are almost an employee on commission payments. It would be foolish to be too critical about your employer as maintaining their reputation effects your income.
If you are wise you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
For the rest of us this means taking opinions of IStock exclusives on IStock with a pinch of salt.

michealo

« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2008, 08:32 »
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There's at least one IStock employee here I know about, but it doesn't really matter. Any exclusive should tow the IStock line as their financial future is so closely tied up with IStock's success.
Any post by an IStock exclusive should be viewed with this in mind.

If you think that exclusives agree with every iStock action you really need to read more.
Love your work.
I am not saying exclusives agree with every action IStock takes.
My post said they should tow the line. The exclusive agreement means you are almost an employee on commission payments. It would be foolish to be too critical about your employer as maintaining their reputation effects your income.
If you are wise you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
For the rest of us this means taking opinions of IStock exclusives on IStock with a pinch of salt.

I take all opinions with a pinch of salt and a healthy dose of skepticism ...

« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2008, 11:14 »
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Skepticism is healthy!

PS: Oh, com'on people, the AOTW's work is * perfect! Overfiltered? Well procesed!
Probably we must diference between veryfiltered and overfiltered! You can put tones of filters and obtain a good image or simply adjust levels and overfilter... I think it's not a problem of quantity but of quality.

jsnover

« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2008, 11:58 »
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I am not saying exclusives agree with every action IStock takes.
My post said they should tow the line. The exclusive agreement means you are almost an employee on commission payments. It would be foolish to be too critical about your employer as maintaining their reputation effects your income.
If you are wise you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
For the rest of us this means taking opinions of IStock exclusives on IStock with a pinch of salt.

Exclusives aren't employees, not even almost. We all criticize the sites we make money from - have a read in here at the threads critical of just about every one of the sites at one time or another.

I do like to know if someone is exclusive to one site or not as it helps to know if they've actually got any experience with the other sites if they opine on that subject (in the past there would be folks on IS forums talking about how other sites did or didn't do things and they had no idea what they were talkinng about). It's also good to know if someone is an admin at a site (remember the bosters for LO while it was still alive) so you know about someone's vested interests.

As for takiing opinions with a pinch of salt that depends upon the writer and past experience with them. IS exclusivity doesn't necessarily render them unable to make a cogent point about IS :)

« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2008, 12:09 »
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Skepticism is healthy!

PS: Oh, com'on people, the AOTW's work is * perfect! Overfiltered? Well procesed!

Wow, we can't type J E S U S but the f word doesn't get filtred!

tan510jomast

« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2008, 12:15 »
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Skepticism is healthy!

PS: Oh, com'on people, the AOTW's work is * perfect! Overfiltered? Well procesed!

Wow, we can't type J E S U S but the f word doesn't get filtred!

frankly, i'd rather you used the f*** word than J****
as to some people like myself, the latter is as sacred as the g** word
or moh****. 
so please use the f*** word. cheers!

« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2008, 13:20 »
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Oh, com'on people, the AOTW's work is f****** perfect! Overfiltered? Well procesed!

:P

jsnover

« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2008, 13:58 »
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Loosely translated into old fashioned English English:

Oh, come on chaps, the AOTW's work is simply spiffing, what, what? Overfiltered? Top drawer processing!

:)

Microbius

« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2008, 14:21 »
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I am not saying exclusives agree with every action IStock takes.
My post said they should tow the line. The exclusive agreement means you are almost an employee on commission payments. It would be foolish to be too critical about your employer as maintaining their reputation effects your income.
If you are wise you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
For the rest of us this means taking opinions of IStock exclusives on IStock with a pinch of salt.

Exclusives aren't employees, not even almost. We all criticize the sites we make money from - have a read in here at the threads critical of just about every one of the sites at one time or another.

I do like to know if someone is exclusive to one site or not as it helps to know if they've actually got any experience with the other sites if they opine on that subject (in the past there would be folks on IS forums talking about how other sites did or didn't do things and they had no idea what they were talkinng about). It's also good to know if someone is an admin at a site (remember the bosters for LO while it was still alive) so you know about someone's vested interests.

As for takiing opinions with a pinch of salt that depends upon the writer and past experience with them. IS exclusivity doesn't necessarily render them unable to make a cogent point about IS :)

We'll just have to differ on this. I think the exclusivity contract restricts activity outside IStock to a high enough degree that exclusives (at least those that get the majority of their income from microstock) have what you would call a pretty serious "vested interest" in IStock's success.

A freelancer can criticize any site as much as they like, irrespective of how much money it brings in for them. If customers leave the site due to bad publicity we can just follow the money and upload to another site, or more likely are already uploading to that competitor's site.

This isn't a criticism of IStock, they happen to be both my biggest earner and one of my favorites when it comes to contributor relations (as opposed to SS, my second biggest earner that treats contributors like crap and does nothing to protect their intellectual property-- see what I did there, openly criticized my second biggest earner)

It is also not a criticism of IStock exclusives, anybody that takes their earnings seriously isn't going to publicly insult their main source of income too much, they'd be mad to. I know I wouldn't, in fact, if I start toning down my comments about IS you know I'm considering going exclusive!


 

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