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BooKitty

« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2010, 15:54 »
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Thanks caspixel for the good wishes. I have always enjoyed reading your posts in the designer and other forums at IS and the same goes for here as well. :)

Maybe you could click on the contest lightbox just for shits and grins (are we allowed to use language here?)

4 posts down and 7 to go before I lose the spam moniker. I will try to be relevant.


« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2010, 16:00 »
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Thanks caspixel for the good wishes. I have always enjoyed reading your posts in the designer and other forums at IS and the same goes for here as well. :)

Maybe you could click on the contest lightbox just for shits and grins (are we allowed to use language here?)

4 posts down and 7 to go before I lose the spam moniker. I will try to be relevant.

Well, thanks. At least someone did. Apparently enough people didn't because I have been banned from the iStock forums.

I will try to remember to check out the contest lightbox and maybe I'll even vote for some poor sod who is not in "the club". :D

zzz

« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2010, 16:28 »
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People want to feel they are valued as employees. They want to enjoy their job. So your studies stand against my studies ;-)


Nothing says "I value you" more than cash compensation. :D

Even the best jobs breed resentment if you are working as hard as you can with ever decreasing returns.

That's Another fallacy. Point me to a single person who has had decreasing returns at iStock. The absolute figures people have earned over the years has risen constantly. That's what people keep admitting on iStock's forums.

zzz

« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2010, 16:29 »
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Again, I don't know if people have done their math, but I find it naive if contributors think the shared wealth of $20,000 among more than 50,000 contributors amounts to much.
It's the principle.

"It's the principle". Huh, what does that mean? No arguments? Just because "I said so"? When people run out of arguments, that's what you get.

« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2010, 16:32 »
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That's Another fallacy. Point me to a single person who has had decreasing returns at iStock. The absolute figures people have earned over the years has risen constantly. That's what people keep admitting on iStock's forums.

I know of several people who aren't making as much money as years past. And they even admit it on the iStock forums, so you must be missing those posts.

BooKitty

« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2010, 16:37 »
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Geez caspixel I had no idea you were banned. Unless you were abusive (which I doubt) that is just shameful.

 I thought you were absent from the forums as a silent protest, never thought you WERE silenced. Do they just give you a timeout or is the ban for lifetime?

Oh yeah you can vote for my stuff, not only am I not in the "club" they won't even let me bus the tables or valet the cars.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2010, 16:46 »
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Point me to a single person who has had decreasing returns at iStock. The absolute figures people have earned over the years has risen constantly. That's what people keep admitting on iStock's forums.
I earned less in 2009 than in 2008, despite vastly increasing my port in that time.
I was heading upwards this year, but October has been ghastly so far (unlike previous years), so who knows?

Microbius

« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2010, 17:00 »
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That's Another fallacy. Point me to a single person who has had decreasing returns at iStock. The absolute figures people have earned over the years has risen constantly. That's what people keep admitting on iStock's forums.

Yup, decreasing returns here. 2008 close to $20000, 2009 closer to 16000, this year I'll be lucky to break 14000. My story is very far from unique for non independents at IStock with medium sized portfolios.
I can't believe you are still trying to defend them after all the screw ups and screw overs of the last few weeks.
You can't see why this is another kick in the teeth. People have just heard about a 25% paycut and IStockj are doing nothing about cutting the bloat and promoting frivolous give-aways?
I can only assume you work for IStock or have just taken a break from banging your head into a padded wall to post here.

Microbius

« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2010, 17:11 »
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No one here seems to understand marketing.

Including yourself it would seem..... the idea of marketing is that it's aimed at potential buyers, this contest is for suppliers.

And, uh, why exactly wouldn't you want to keep your suppliers happy?

I think you are missing the point, this obviously hasn't made suppliers happy, it's just another little smack in the face, so if it was meant as a marketing ploy it's backfired.
Look around you, are there many people here jumping for joy about it? I count exactly one.

« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2010, 17:11 »
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One person? I'm quite sure there are going to hundreds losing come 1/2011. Your argument is senseless.

Microbius

« Reply #60 on: October 23, 2010, 17:14 »
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One person? I'm quite sure there are going to hundreds losing come 1/2011. Your argument is senseless.
I think you are agreeing with me, I was saying people (we contributors) aren't happy about what is going on. That only zzz seems happy that they are cutting our pay while giving away $20000.

« Reply #61 on: October 23, 2010, 17:17 »
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Sorry, I should have quoted zzz. Thats who I was referring to.

mlwinphoto

« Reply #62 on: October 23, 2010, 17:22 »
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I'll point you to someone who has had decreasing returns this year despite doubling his portfolio:  me.

Granted, I have a small portfolio and have only been on iStock a little over 2 years but it's not a trend I was hoping or expecting to see.

Ultimately only 10 contributors out of the thousands they have will benefit from this contest.  I suspect there are other ways to spend that $20,000 that would benefit more than 10 of us/them.  It will turn into a popularity contest and those participating will be all giddy about iStock until reality sinks in Jan 1, 2011.  I'm sure TPTB just wanted to have a thread to read that was well accepted by at least some contributors.  Nice try, maybe it will work for awhile.

For me personally, thanks but no thanks.



People want to feel they are valued as employees. They want to enjoy their job. So your studies stand against my studies ;-)


Nothing says "I value you" more than cash compensation. :D

Even the best jobs breed resentment if you are working as hard as you can with ever decreasing returns.

That's Another fallacy. Point me to a single person who has had decreasing returns at iStock. The absolute figures people have earned over the years has risen constantly. That's what people keep admitting on iStock's forums.

lisafx

« Reply #63 on: October 23, 2010, 17:28 »
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That's Another fallacy. Point me to a single person who has had decreasing returns at iStock. The absolute figures people have earned over the years has risen constantly. That's what people keep admitting on iStock's forums.

Yup, decreasing returns here. 2008 close to $20000, 2009 closer to 16000, this year I'll be lucky to break 14000. My story is very far from unique for non independents at IStock with medium sized portfolios.

Decreasing returns at Istock here too, despite adding over 1200 pictures over the past year (a portfolio increase of 20%).  Comparing the last four months of this year with the same months in 2009 I am down:

Sept: -13%
Aug:  -17%
Jul:   -25%
Jun:  -13%

I hope the trend reverses and I can salvage the year end totals with a higher total than last year, but it's looking unlikely at this point.  
« Last Edit: October 23, 2010, 17:41 by lisafx »

« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2010, 17:29 »
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Geez caspixel I had no idea you were banned. Unless you were abusive (which I doubt) that is just shameful.

 I thought you were absent from the forums as a silent protest, never thought you WERE silenced. Do they just give you a timeout or is the ban for lifetime?

Oh yeah you can vote for my stuff, not only am I not in the "club" they won't even let me bus the tables or valet the cars.

I'm thinking permanent ban. I guess my humor was seen as abusive by some. LOL

Do they at least let you wash the dishes?

« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2010, 18:00 »
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I can look at my iStock revenues in two ways.  Year over year I'm up a grand .9% (yes, with a decimal point), despite pushing through a thousand new images.  Or I could combine iStock and StockXpert, in which case I'm down 26%.  Either way, I'm looking at a lot of effort for no gain.  Or I should say I was; a few more days and I'll be done deleting my Dollar Bin images, after which I go after the main collection.

vonkara

« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2010, 18:29 »
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From what I see, you are among the pages with no downloads club on Istock. 37 pages on 62 (about 2400 images) of your latest images with less than 100 downloads. I would of stop before but I guess you compensate with other agencies.

But for Istock, I don't see any advantages to keep making efforts. The new images are lost in searches, since months

bittersweet

« Reply #67 on: October 23, 2010, 23:14 »
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People want to feel they are valued as employees. They want to enjoy their job. So your studies stand against my studies ;-)


Nothing says "I value you" more than cash compensation. :D

Even the best jobs breed resentment if you are working as hard as you can with ever decreasing returns.

That's Another fallacy. Point me to a single person who has had decreasing returns at iStock. The absolute figures people have earned over the years has risen constantly. That's what people keep admitting on iStock's forums.

Dude, you can't be serious. I think you need to lay off the kool-aid if you really believe this ridiculous statement.

zzz

« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2010, 00:27 »
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I will leave this place for good. When I joined microstockgroup in June 2009 I was hoping to find out more about RM but what I found instead was that this is a forum where mostly disgruntled contributors hang out. My perception is that 90% of the posts are just bitching and moaning. Even worse a lot of posters here are downright rude. A lot of half truths are disseminated that turn into facts for many and the statistics in the polls here are highly skewed.

Many people here hate to accept the truth. I've posted just 34 times and have 8 people who put me on ignore. I rather just continue to drink my koolaid and feel happy in my little bubble. I don't want to be associated with this place and I'm glad I never revealed my identity.

« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2010, 01:04 »
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Your name should be "waa" instead of "zzz".

LOL

RT


« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2010, 02:27 »
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No one here seems to understand marketing.


Including yourself it would seem..... the idea of marketing is that it's aimed at potential buyers, this contest is for suppliers.


And, uh, why exactly wouldn't you want to keep your suppliers happy?


I didn't say that they shouldn't keep their suppliers happy, I was just pointing out that you were wrong in your statement about marketing because marketing is not aimed at suppliers it's aimed at buyers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing

If you're going to criticise people on this forum who have expressed their opinion on something try and use the correct terminology otherwise it makes you look silly and detracts any value from your posts.

« Reply #71 on: October 24, 2010, 02:35 »
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For what is worth, my earnings have been incresing, year after year, I surpassed whole 2009 earnings in the last days of September. Less downloads, yes, but more money. Prices and Vettas play a role here, so is understeable that some non-exclusives can't make it.

Microbius

« Reply #72 on: October 24, 2010, 03:27 »
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I will leave this place for good. When I joined microstockgroup in June 2009 I was hoping to find out more about RM but what I found instead was that this is a forum where mostly disgruntled contributors hang out. My perception is that 90% of the posts are just bitching and moaning. Even worse a lot of posters here are downright rude. A lot of half truths are disseminated that turn into facts for many and the statistics in the polls here are highly skewed.

Many people here hate to accept the truth. I've posted just 34 times and have 8 people who put me on ignore. I rather just continue to drink my koolaid and feel happy in my little bubble. I don't want to be associated with this place and I'm glad I never revealed my identity.
Brilliant, yes everyone is crazy but you  :D
Why do start arguments by demanding evidence, if when the evidence is presented you throw your toys out of the pram?
You were happy enough to spout anecdotal rubbish about Fotolia (people can check your past posts) but when people discuss your beloved IStock it's boo hoo hoo.
This isn't the first time you've threatened to leave, I just hope you have the verve to go through with it this time, and I'm not even one of the ones who has you on ignore!

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #73 on: October 24, 2010, 05:12 »
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I will leave this place for good. ... A lot of half truths are disseminated .....

Would that be halftruths like:
"Point me to a single person who has had decreasing returns at iStock. The absolute figures people have earned over the years has risen constantly. That's what people keep admitting on iStock's forums."
If you read the how was your ...last month? forums through, you'd find that even some diamond/admins say that their sales and $$$ are well down from two years ago.
Also, several people have stated on the iStock forums that they don't post when their sales are down, either because of embarrassment (sic) or because of not wanting to be negative.
I am however, prepared to concede that overall earnings for the site have generally risen, and of course some/many people will be earning more year on year.
The interesting thing was that when I and a few others said we were having a dire October, neither Lobo nor RogerMexico jumped in to say that overall sales this month are well up, which is what would usually happen.
Anyway, if you want to buy several Vetta ELs from me before the month is out, I'll be forced to 'admit' I got more this October than last October.  ;D
Of course, that might just have been tact, given the commission clawbacks which are about to happen. i guess they're in a lose-lose situation on that one!

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #74 on: October 24, 2010, 05:14 »
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My perception is that 90% of the posts are just bitching and moaning.
That's your preception. Another way of looking at it is that since certain uncomfortable truths are not acceptable in the forums of the micros, this is an area where these concerns can be aired (as well as other useful functions too, of course!)


 

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