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« on: April 15, 2009, 16:05 »
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New best match is live. Seems to be the best search by far now within microstock. If only the slider will function right. Am looking forward how sales will turn out.
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=87124


« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2009, 16:25 »
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All I can say is:  ;D  ;D ;D

vonkara

« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2009, 16:27 »
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OMG I just made a couple of searches and the efficiency of results is surprising. More to come as I look at it

Edit: I see lots of isolation in the first pages
« Last Edit: April 15, 2009, 16:33 by Vonkara »

« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2009, 16:35 »
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wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy

« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2009, 16:46 »
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What or who will prioritize the keywords?  I understand that most of the time, between 2 and 5 KW are enough to describe a photo (in my opinion!) but when there are more than 10, how the system will chose the main KWs?

Use of the same words in the title?
In the description?
The first 2 or 3 KW used by the submitter?
Manually done by the reviewer?

I wonder...

Claude

« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2009, 16:49 »
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You don't need to wonder.  It's some mix of sales and views based on the term used to find them.  Kelly mentioned that somewhere.

« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2009, 17:26 »
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I a not too impressed.  "Granola bowl" didn't return any of my images in the first 15 of 28 pages (I gave up then).  My images have both word in title, description and keywords.  Many of the images are corn flakes and msli, not granola.  My images appear in the first pages in DT and FT.


« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2009, 17:27 »
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To be honest, I don't understand why everybody is happy that the new best match is out? Some images will move up in search, but that inevitably means some will move down, too. It all equalizes in the end or am I missing something?

« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2009, 17:30 »
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What's a difference between granola and muesli?

alias

« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2009, 17:30 »
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To be honest, I don't understand why everybody is happy that the new best match is out? Some images will move up in search, but that inevitably means some will move down, too. It all equalizes in the end or am I missing something?

It's about making a search which provides a better experience for the customers and therefore making the site even better. A rising tide and all that.

« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2009, 17:33 »
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I'm gonna make some popcorn.
This could get interesting  ;)

« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2009, 17:34 »
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Few days ago I uploaded several images of the same parachute with the same title, description and keywords. Today I sold one of them. What is interesting..... all those images are on the 7th page if you type "parachute" in the search box.... all except one image. The image that's missing is exactly the same image that is sold today, and it's on the 16th page... My old, but pretty popular image of a parachute with almost the same keywords is on the third page....
What happened makes me think that when some image is sold, it goes down in the search for other files to be more visible. Probably, after some time, it goes up again.... I hope

« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2009, 17:34 »
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I think we should all be happy if results were more relevant in a tweaked search engine, so we know it pays to keyword (and to give a title and describe) correctly, that it doesn't matter if you are exclusive or not, if the image has been downloaded a lot or never, but relevance is the true best match.

« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2009, 17:35 »
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I have an opposite example of Whitechild. An old image of mine that was downloaded 4 times, 3 times in the last month is down in search while my new images on the same topic , with no downloads are down in search. It's hard to figure out what the best match means.

« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2009, 17:38 »
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I think we should all be happy if results were more relevant in a tweaked search engine, so we know it pays to keyword (and to give a title and describe) correctly, that it doesn't matter if you are exclusive or not, if the image has been downloaded a lot or never, but relevance is the true best match.

But admins on IS say that title and description don't play important role in new best match....

« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2009, 17:38 »
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I think we should all be happy if results were more relevant in a tweaked search engine, so we know it pays to keyword (and to give a title and describe) correctly, that it doesn't matter if you are exclusive or not, if the image has been downloaded a lot or never, but relevance is the true best match.

I agree. There should be no "games" with number of downloads/popularity and all that.

« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2009, 17:39 »
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What's a difference between granola and muesli?

granola: rolled oats, nuts and honey, roasted
msli: oats, fruit and nuts, not roasted

I often have both together, but they are separate products.

« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2009, 17:40 »
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I think we should all be happy if results were more relevant in a tweaked search engine, so we know it pays to keyword (and to give a title and describe) correctly, that it doesn't matter if you are exclusive or not, if the image has been downloaded a lot or never, but relevance is the true best match.

But admins on IS say that title and description don't play important role in new best match....

That's why I still think DT has the best search engine and the closest to "best match" if best match means relevance.

« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2009, 17:52 »
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To be honest, I don't understand why everybody is happy that the new best match is out? Some images will move up in search, but that inevitably means some will move down, too. It all equalizes in the end or am I missing something?

Im with you on this one.   A "Good best match" is when that person finds HIS images in the top.  Meaning some other poor *insult removed* has a bad best match.   Its in the eye of the beholder...

« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2009, 18:01 »
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Im with you on this one.   A "Good best match" is when that person finds HIS images in the top.  Meaning some other poor *insult removed* has a bad best match.   Its in the eye of the beholder...

Ha ha, it's called Kali philosophy: "When Kali steal cow good, when somebody  steal Kali's cow bad" :-)

« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2009, 18:14 »
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best match brings some images up, and pulls some images down. It's interesting how many contributors are euphoric because best match 2.0 is alive, but in the same time they don't know how it works, and what they should do to bring their images up :)

The only one who should be happy is the one who knows how best match works. Those who don't understand it don't have real reason to be euphoric.

IS did it to make it better for buyers, and that's good. They WILL benefit from this change. But contributors...I think it will be the same for them.... some of them will be happy, some of them won't be so happy. There must be a balance.

That's my opinion :)
« Last Edit: April 15, 2009, 18:18 by Whitechild »

vonkara

« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2009, 18:23 »
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A good best match is a best match who put the good images first (for buyers I mean). It actually consider from what keyword it have been viewed and downloaded, then make it more relevent with this keyword. Like Alamy does already
« Last Edit: April 15, 2009, 18:25 by Vonkara »

« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2009, 18:28 »
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...And, there is a question again, how they find relevant keyword? My image of crescent moon was bought on DT with keyword "fantasy" and my image of a goose is bought with keyword "gosling" (with one o)
 and my image of turkish shoes was bought with word "islam"
« Last Edit: April 15, 2009, 18:30 by Whitechild »

« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2009, 18:28 »
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This is by far the best system I have seen so far. As far as I know it sorts according to what buyers bought or viewed in the past, after typing in his keyword. So this is the most relevant search you can get for the buyer. Even if my sales will go down, I cannot complain, because this is so much more beneficial for the buyer. So while I do not know how it will turn out for me iStock turned in the right direction, namely what the buyer wants.
Now the other agencies really have to make some steps forward to compete with their searches.

« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2009, 18:33 »
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Great point, Whitechild, my Golden Gate image on DT was bought with keywords "blue buildings california"  :) I would never expect for someone to buy my photo with this combination of keywords.


 

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