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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2008, 13:49 »
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After months of trying to make sense of the "rejection" process, I've finally decided that there IS none.  It all depends on who is reviewing and whether or not the image appeals to said reviewer.  I've re-submitted stuff several times and the images either make it or they don't.  But the "over-filtering" bit with a CPL is especially irritating in a state that has a lot of sun and water.  Whaddo they want us to do, anyway?  Blow out the image entirely?  So......I just shoot, process, submit, etc., and leave my ego offline.   ;)


« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2008, 21:26 »
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Although sometimes I've been tempted, I never have allowed myself to get mad at a rejection and try to charge it to the "inanity" of the inspector or to some dark conspiracy theory. IMHO taking a second look at the file and searching for what is worng or borderline has taugth me more than a year in an photgraphy school. Now and then, in rare ocasions, I haven't been able to find the supposed flaw, but a system where humans inspects 60.000 or so images at week, sporadic human errors are inevitable, and that's what resubmission and Scout are for.

Loop,  I try not to get too P**sed at the process but what prompted me to start this thread was the rejections i got for incomplete releases when the release was indeed complete. No artifacts or funny filtering *NOT* but for paperwork that was in order. Yes human error crashes several planes a year so I can't expect inspectors to be perfect every time. Am happy though they aren't pilots, that's for sure.

« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2008, 14:07 »
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.... IMHO taking a second look at the file and searching for what is worng or borderline has taugth me more than a year in an photgraphy school. Now and then, in rare ocasions, I haven't been able to find the supposed flaw, .....

true, but what can you conclude when 5 agencies accept and 1 doesnt -- and there's no consistency -- 4 out of 5 accept each image but it's a different agency rejecting

there's almost as much variation among reviewers at  a given site as there is among agencies overall. [with  the exception of FT which rejects wholesale]

so, yes, it's worth trying to see what the reviewer didnt like, but usually not worth the effort of re-processing to try to get it accepted.

« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2008, 14:49 »
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I think there are some inspectors who have a good idea of what and what isn't acceptable. However there seems to be a fair amount of amateurs at work as well.
I wonder how many inspectors a group of  images would have to go through before all images have been rejected. It seems there are so many goofy rejections that it would happen quickly.

« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2008, 02:49 »
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I was surprised today when this illustration was rejected at iStockphoto for not being a stock image:




Oh well. Everyone else took it, so it doesn't matter.


IMO not being stock is most annoying. most of my highest earners have received that one (those that are actually on IS have gone through scout).
closely followed by overfiltered...

I too had half a dozen rejections this week for model release which I have never had before (the model release is 18 months old and used on dozens of images)

but I have finally got to the point where I dont care who accepts what and consider that every site has a random element, I heard a while back IS had over 100 reviewers.  getting 100 people to decide on anything, esp whether a photo is any good is impossible, throw into that the mix of abilities between reviewers, personal image styles and you've got a pretty strong random element (unless of course you're a perfect photog / artist :)

Phil

« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2008, 06:09 »
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If you want a critique of that TV, I'd say you need to work on it more.  It looks like a black rectangle with a blue rectangle, a curvy line, and oval and another square underneath.  Too simplistic.  I know the other sites will accept almost any illustration, but iStock likes their submissions to look like you spent a little more time on the design. 

Same for that universe/earth picture.  The styles of the background and the planet just don't mesh at all.  You've got this somewhat realistic background, and then the shiny plastic earth with no clouds.

I don't think those rejections are at all surprising.  Discouraging to you though, yes.

« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2008, 07:49 »
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I wish Istock realized how bad they are hurting themselves with their policies. By rejecting good stock images or severely limiting non-exclusive submissions they are losing millions of dollars. I have a backlog to submit to them of about 3000 images that would have earned THEM at least 10,000 a month. By allowing me to sumbit 30 a week (and I am a diamond member) and rejecting half of it they are robbing themselves of profit.
Most professional stock photographers can not afford being exclusive to any site, especially in microstock. Istock has a few exclusives that submit excellent images (like Lise Gagne), but I wonder if they realize that they would increase their income 10 times by being non-exclusive. In a way we are lucky that people like Lise are not competing with us on other agencies:) However, apart from these select few, most of Istock's exlusive content is not impressive at all - so by limiting good non-exclusive content they are purposefully and consistently decreasing the quality of their library....
The disambiguation system they got from Getty is totally unnecessary pain in the neck and not only useless in increasing search efficiency, it actually hurts it. I mean, look where this "wonderful" system got Getty itself and others that tried to adopt it (like Photoshelter that just went under).
And this is all too bad, providing that Istock was a pioneer of microstock industry, but looks like it is now is being strangled by their own corporate inefficiency, bureaucracy and shortsighted decisions.

« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2008, 07:58 »
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I wish Istock realized how bad they are hurting themselves with their policies. By rejecting good stock images or severely limiting non-exclusive submissions they are losing millions of dollars. I have a backlog to submit to them of about 3000 images that would have earned THEM at least 10,000 a month. By allowing me to sumbit 30 a week (and I am a diamond member) and rejecting half of it they are robbing themselves of profit.

I'm always surprised that so many people are concerned for the welfare of iStock.  It's nice to hear. :)

« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2008, 08:42 »
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Not that it is my image, or any of my business:-), but couldn't help myself... The TV design to simplistic?... What about those amazingly complex photos of the calendar pages that you have recently got approved on Istock? I mean, wow.... :)

If you want a critique of that TV, I'd say you need to work on it more.  It looks like a black rectangle with a blue rectangle, a curvy line, and oval and another square underneath.  Too simplistic.  I know the other sites will accept almost any illustration, but iStock likes their submissions to look like you spent a little more time on the design. 

Same for that universe/earth picture.  The styles of the background and the planet just don't mesh at all.  You've got this somewhat realistic background, and then the shiny plastic earth with no clouds.

I don't think those rejections are at all surprising.  Discouraging to you though, yes.

« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2008, 09:05 »
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Not that it is my image, or any of my business:-), but couldn't help myself...

I'm sorry, I must have missed where I asked you for a critique of anything.  I was trying to point the poster in the direction that might help their Illustration work accepted at iStock.

« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2008, 09:24 »
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Microstock, in itself is very simplistic. There are some complex images to be sure but for the most part I don't see a lot of ground shuttering imagery. It's good, it's just not complex for the most part. And I agree that iS is shooting itself in the foot. And I don't really give a * except that I miss a lot of opportunities to make money. This should be obvious. Who doesn't want the best chance to make as much money as possible? What's interesting is the production companies that are coming into microstock, Exactly zero of them will go exclusive with IS, In the past it didn't much matter. But now with more and more really good producers the disparity of collections will grow and it will grow quickly as these  companies only submit 15 or 20 images a week to IS and several hundred or a thousand to the others. I see the IS collection eventually being too limiting to be effective. By then we'll be seeing rejections for artifacts in model releases or some equally inane thing.

bittersweet

« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2008, 09:34 »
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Not that it is my image, or any of my business:-), but couldn't help myself... The TV design to simplistic?... What about those amazingly complex photos of the calendar pages that you have recently got approved on Istock? I mean, wow.... :)

The question is whether it is good stock. Be sure to check back and take a look at those calendar photos in a few months. I guarantee you at least a few of them will be in flames. That is good stock.

« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2008, 10:35 »
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I wish Istock realized how bad they are hurting themselves with their policies. By rejecting good stock images or severely limiting non-exclusive submissions they are losing millions of dollars. I have a backlog to submit to them of about 3000 images that would have earned THEM at least 10,000 a month. By allowing me to sumbit 30 a week (and I am a diamond member) and rejecting half of it they are robbing themselves of profit.
Most professional stock photographers can not afford being exclusive to any site, especially in microstock. Istock has a few exclusives that submit excellent images (like Lise Gagne), but I wonder if they realize that they would increase their income 10 times by being non-exclusive. In a way we are lucky that people like Lise are not competing with us on other agencies:) However, apart from these select few, most of Istock's exlusive content is not impressive at all - so by limiting good non-exclusive content they are purposefully and consistently decreasing the quality of their library....
The disambiguation system they got from Getty is totally unnecessary pain in the neck and not only useless in increasing search efficiency, it actually hurts it. I mean, look where this "wonderful" system got Getty itself and others that tried to adopt it (like Photoshelter that just went under).
And this is all too bad, providing that Istock was a pioneer of microstock industry, but looks like it is now is being strangled by their own corporate inefficiency, bureaucracy and shortsighted decisions.

Such over simplification and hyperbole followed by snide comments hardly sheds much light on the subject.

« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2008, 23:54 »
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To give credit where credit is due I had 4 of 4 files come back from Scout as overturned and were accepted. I'll certainly make more use of Scout in the future.

« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2008, 04:26 »
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To give credit where credit is due I had 4 of 4 files come back from Scout as overturned and were accepted. I'll certainly make more use of Scout in the future.

Don't waste your time with Scout. Even if the rejection is overturned that file will be buried so deep that no buyer will find it. It all got to do with the time that the file is submitted and the number of views and downloads that it receives in a given time period. A file that only appear online weeks after it was submitted will be heavily penalized by the search algorithm because it received no views and downloads during this time. It takes a long time for Scout to respond to a request for a re-evaluation. The time period between initial submission and final acceptance can be many weeks and that file will disappear in the dark depths of IS. This is one of the big advantages that exclusives have. Their review time is much shorter than those of non-exclusives and their images appear much quicker online which should benefit them in searches.

« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2008, 15:41 »
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How about this one, a resubmission after trimming down several keywords.....



and IS's rejection reasons:
We regret to inform you that we cannot accept your submission, entitled Washing Hands, for addition to the iStockphoto library for the following reasons:

"The following keywords used for this file do not appear to be fully relevant to the
subject.

{[ Washing Hands,  Soap Sud,  Body Care (Beauty),  Cleaning,  Body Care (Beauty), 
Hygiene,  Cleaning (Moving Activity),  Cleaning (Moving Activity),  Clean (Good
Condition),  Soap Sud,  Soap Sud,  Washing (Cleaning),  Washing (Cleaning),  Clean (Good
Condition)]}

The keywords used for this file do not appear to be fully relevant to the subject."

Now I ask you, if I can't use those keywords, what remains besides "hands" and "water" ???
Is this stupid or what??

« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2008, 16:01 »
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Wow!  They seem relevant to me, with the exctption of {Clean (good condition)} and they probably had tagged that one represent something like clean used car.

« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2008, 16:05 »
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I've just had the world child taken out of an image where the main focus is a child. ???

CofkoCof

« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2008, 16:16 »
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I had an image of a beach sunset with purple coulds rejected for one single word: Cloud :D

alias

« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2008, 17:35 »
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You should raise this on the new keywords forum. It's definitely a mistake and they will surely sort it out.

How about this one, a resubmission after trimming down several keywords.....



and IS's rejection reasons:
We regret to inform you that we cannot accept your submission, entitled Washing Hands, for addition to the iStockphoto library for the following reasons:

"The following keywords used for this file do not appear to be fully relevant to the
subject.

{[ Washing Hands,  Soap Sud,  Body Care (Beauty),  Cleaning,  Body Care (Beauty), 
Hygiene,  Cleaning (Moving Activity),  Cleaning (Moving Activity),  Clean (Good
Condition),  Soap Sud,  Soap Sud,  Washing (Cleaning),  Washing (Cleaning),  Clean (Good
Condition)]}

The keywords used for this file do not appear to be fully relevant to the subject."

Now I ask you, if I can't use those keywords, what remains besides "hands" and "water" ???
Is this stupid or what??


hali

« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2008, 18:26 »
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wow, by the sounds of things here, IS is not building a strong foundation of fans here. my problem with IS isn't on keywords, although i do have problems with that too. i eliminate lots of "irrelevant " keywords, and i end up with "not enough" keywords.
but in essence, my rejections were mostly due to "over-processed". even that, i am confused as i shoot RAW and only "processed" them in ORF stage, and a bit of levels. nothing more.
anyway, i have so little with IS, i don't think it even matters anymore.

« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2008, 00:19 »
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« Last Edit: October 22, 2008, 12:43 by Peter »

« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2008, 00:23 »
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This thread is becoming 'over the top' comical.

« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2008, 01:34 »
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This thread is becoming 'over the top' comical.


comical in the sense that istock rejections are over the top comical
or
comical in the sense what are your non-exclusives complaining about?

Roadrunner

  • Roadrunner
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2008, 10:48 »
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Is it possible that some of the reviewers do not understand English?  Could be getting rejections because we need to enter keywords in some other language.  ;D


 

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