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vlad_the_imp

« Reply #550 on: January 25, 2013, 06:28 »
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You keep harping on this delete thing.

I'd disagree, there is a delete option, delete your account, the images are deleted.


Poncke

« Reply #551 on: January 25, 2013, 06:38 »
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Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

« Reply #552 on: January 25, 2013, 06:41 »
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I don't see why I should delete my account.  I'm leaving them all my worst images.  They will sell now and then and make me some money.  I'm not too concerned if they end up in the Google collection, as they'll barely make $12 anyway.  By keeping my account open, I can keep all my financial records that I might need in the future.

We're all going to decide to do different things for different reasons.  People need to accept that.  The objective for me isn't just about what's removed, as that will probably be replaced.  It's sending a message out to buyers that istock is no longer a place many of us are willing to have our best images.  They have lost any trust we once had and there are better sites for non-exclusive contributors and buyers to use.

« Reply #553 on: January 25, 2013, 07:34 »
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The objective for me isn't just about what's removed, as that will probably be replaced.  It's sending a message out to buyers that istock is no longer a place many of us are willing to have our best images.  They have lost any trust we once had and there are better sites for non-exclusive contributors and buyers to use.

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« Reply #554 on: January 25, 2013, 08:49 »
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Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

You keep harping on this delete thing.  The reason nobody is saying they are deleting their images is because iStock doesn't have a delete option.  There is only a deactivate option.

Well Tyler I like harping :D but at IS, if you want to reactivate, they all have to pass new QC  ( new rules I think) and many older files wont make it.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #555 on: January 25, 2013, 08:53 »
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Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

You keep harping on this delete thing.  The reason nobody is saying they are deleting their images is because iStock doesn't have a delete option.  There is only a deactivate option.

Well Tyler I like harping :D but at IS, if you want to reactivate, they all have to pass new QC  ( new rules I think) and many older files wont make it.

I've read it that files over 18 months old must be reinspected, but I don't think we've had any official confirmation of that.
So it could well be that for many older files, deactivation would be an effective deletion.

« Reply #556 on: January 25, 2013, 08:57 »
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Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

You keep harping on this delete thing.  The reason nobody is saying they are deleting their images is because iStock doesn't have a delete option.  There is only a deactivate option.

Well Tyler I like harping :D but at IS, if you want to reactivate, they all have to pass new QC  ( new rules I think) and many older files wont make it.

I've read it that files over 18 months old must be reinspected, but I don't think we've had any official confirmation of that.
So it could well be that for many older files, deactivation would be an effective deletion.

If I remember correctly I think that files over a year old had to pass reviewing again. This is ofcourse a technical issue.

fotorob

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« Reply #557 on: January 25, 2013, 11:00 »
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I started to deactivate 20 images today, at least 500 will follow on Monday.

« Reply #558 on: January 25, 2013, 11:09 »
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Just seen this from Lobo:

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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.

Imagine what will occur when the dust settles -and it will settle- after the contributor imposed deadline of Feb2. There are folks involved in that piece of protest that are currently running folks into a tough spot. Avatars, external forum campaigns and the like typically hurt the individual contributors more than they do Getty or iStock. Don't think we haven't been here before. Have we reached critical mass on all this issues? Maybe. I guess we will see.

Poncke

« Reply #559 on: January 25, 2013, 11:14 »
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Just seen this from Lobo:

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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.

Imagine what will occur when the dust settles -and it will settle- after the contributor imposed deadline of Feb2. There are folks involved in that piece of protest that are currently running folks into a tough spot. Avatars, external forum campaigns and the like typically hurt the individual contributors more than they do Getty or iStock. Don't think we haven't been here before. Have we reached critical mass on all this issues? Maybe. I guess we will see.
Wow, thats some typical reverse psychology tactics. Trying to create doubt and trying to set up people against each other.  Stick together folks.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #560 on: January 25, 2013, 11:15 »
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Just seen this from Lobo:
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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.
Odd, as more people have reported that they have closed their account.

« Reply #561 on: January 25, 2013, 11:22 »
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Just seen this from Lobo:
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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.
Odd, as more people have reported that they have closed their account.

Maybe any exclusives that have closed their accounts aren't included because they have to wait 30 days for it to be closed. Could just be one independent that's closed his/her account he's referring to. Most are simply deactivating files at the moment, waiting for D-Day.

« Reply #562 on: January 25, 2013, 11:23 »
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If the Istock forum was translated into Rusian and the word getty was replaced with gulag, we would all believe we had a historical source from the old USSR anno 1956.

it is an absurd circus.
Lies, theft, manipulations and threads

The comrade commisar, we can all guess who that is.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2013, 11:25 by JPSDK »

« Reply #563 on: January 25, 2013, 11:26 »
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I closed mine - canceled exclusivity on jan 10, and then just closed the account on Jan 23.  I didn't think I was the only one. 


« Reply #564 on: January 25, 2013, 11:39 »
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Just seen this from Lobo:
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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.
Odd, as more people have reported that they have closed their account.

There is no point to close an account now. November gave me more in PP sales than the regular sale. I'm waiting to the next month to do that. One account doesn't mean too much if people are waiting for full payments for their work. Lobo tries to sabotage the idea, that's what is he paid for.

« Reply #565 on: January 25, 2013, 11:54 »
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I just read Lobo's post, thanks for showing that.  I get so annoyed when he (or others there) attribute people's actions to what they choose to believe -- that anyone that closes an account or deactivates files does it without forethought, purely on emotion, without thought, or just to make a statement.  And that we'll come running back full of regret.  In my case, my income dropped to less in a month than I spend on coffee in a week.  I had a small portfolio, and a non-related full-time job.  They can throw all the hearts hearts unicorn rainbows around that they want, but it remains that THAT iStock no longer exists, and Getty is running the show. I wholly was against what they did, and do not trust them, and they were no longer worth stressing about or worrying about what they were going to do next.   They are not an organization I want to be any part of.  It made sense FOR ME to close my account.  I didn't do it to make a point, as I know it wouldn't mean a hill of beans to them.  I can only laugh at the idea that in a month I'll want to reopen.  It was not a snap decision at all.  Rant over.  :) 


« Reply #566 on: January 25, 2013, 11:59 »
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Just seen this from Lobo:
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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.
Odd, as more people have reported that they have closed their account.

I interpreted that statement differently, as in WE have closed one account (and WE being Istock).
He is threatening people: Don't expect we will re-activate your files if you change your opinion, we might even kick you out.
He expects that many people might de-activate (which is not permanent) images to see if there is any impact, and if not, they might want to return as if nothing has happened. And he wants to scare anybody that thinks like this...

« Reply #567 on: January 25, 2013, 12:06 »
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Just seen this from Lobo:
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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.
Odd, as more people have reported that they have closed their account.

I interpreted that statement differently, as in WE have closed one account (and WE being Istock).
He is threatening people: Don't expect we will re-activate your files if you change your opinion, we might even kick you out.
He expects that many people might de-activate (which is not permanent) images to see if there is any impact, and if not, they might want to return as if nothing has happened. And he wants to scare anybody that thinks like this...

He's doing that alright, another quote from Lobo:

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Yep. You have to know that if your serious about closing your account we can accommodate that. You can manually say good bye to all you uploads one at a time if that's your pleasure but the reactivation of those files could be problematic. I just figure it's important for people to realize it takes way more work for contributor relations to reactivate files than it takes for you to deactivate them. I would really consider the ramifications before I got to far ahead of myself.

I do care about all this. It's concerns me that there are people who are already half gone from the site motivating people to jump on board this new band wagon. In the past we've seen exclusives dump their crown only to scramble back 3 months or so later. This deactivation excersise is understandable considering everything just don't say I didn't warn you all.

« Reply #568 on: January 25, 2013, 12:11 »
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I hope that Lobo keeps posting this sort of tripe. Anyone with a brain in their head can see what he's trying (and paid) to do.

I think that more people will leave iStock than will decide to stay as a result of his posts.

« Reply #569 on: January 25, 2013, 12:15 »
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I had only about 1200 images there, but I just deactivated all files that ever had a sale (and some more, 500 now), and I am going to deactivate the rest during the next week. I don't care if they start to listen or make up their mind, I am out of there for good.


vlad_the_imp

« Reply #571 on: January 25, 2013, 13:14 »
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If the Istock forum was translated into Rusian and the word getty was replaced with gulag, we would all believe we had a historical source from the old USSR anno 1956.

What an absurd statement. You should reconsider what you have written, some people would find it offensive.

« Reply #572 on: January 25, 2013, 13:29 »
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Two of my istock posts asking for an opt out before Feb 2 are "missing".  I think they're getting a little sensitive about the Feb 2nd thing. 

« Reply #573 on: January 25, 2013, 14:05 »
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Reading Lobo's posts, I actually feel my jaw drop. He really said that??? I think the plan must be to make us feel as though we're beating our heads against a brick wall. Eventually it'll hurt so much, we'll give up.

« Reply #574 on: January 25, 2013, 14:12 »
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I don't think the actual number of deactivations is important.

The goal is to create bad publicity for IS - for buyers to start hearing that "photographers are pulling out of IStock".  Obviously it helps if some of the deactivations are from high-profile photographers, but I think it sounds more impressive to say "hundreds of photographers have deactivated images" than "an estimated x-thousand images have been deactivated".   

We want IS - and other agencies - to get that gnawing feeling that they might face serious legal problems from deals like this.  And we want buyers to start thinking about other sources.



 

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