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ShadySue

« Reply #750 on: January 31, 2013, 19:19 »
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I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.

Lobo has started a new thread, 'holding' on Google but with a bit of info about deactivation over the next few weeks of all images in the MS 'promotion'.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1
« Last Edit: January 31, 2013, 19:21 by ShadySue »


« Reply #751 on: January 31, 2013, 19:24 »
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I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.

Lobo has started a new thread, 'holding' on Google but with a bit of info about deactivation over the next few weeks of all images in the MS 'promotion'.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1


I am reservedly hopeful, and believe that the collective actions of many outspoken contributors are to thank for this "productive dialogue with Google".

« Reply #752 on: January 31, 2013, 19:31 »
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Maybe the arbitrary date of Feb. 2nd didn't give them enough time to figure out exactly what to do.  It seems like they should have had enough time but who knows what they are trying to do.  For example renegotiating a deal with Google, writing a new ASA, or maybe Getty wants to handle this on their schedule so the admins at Istock are not allowed to post anything until it has been approved?
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In my opinion Istock, will not do anything. Time to do there was and nothing happened. And see the right sidebar, earning are stable at 40%, people will forget what happened, as in the past has forgotten the cuts or change of terms and conditions. This deal, is a little different because the echo in the web is strong, but everthing passes. The D-Day is a first step, but if something must change, is a to do list. Next step is continue talking about this deal in blog, website, forum; microstocker should not forget what happened, this can hurt IS, and most important take action coordinated, as i.e. an activation day in other agency...

« Reply #753 on: January 31, 2013, 19:35 »
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I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.

Lobo has started a new thread, 'holding' on Google but with a bit of info about deactivation over the next few weeks of all images in the MS 'promotion'.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1


I am reservedly hopeful, and believe that the collective actions of many outspoken contributors are to thank for this "productive dialogue with Google".


I'm just about the opposite. The Google deal is just one (albeit awful one) case. They think they can make other such deals - premium access with a license different from the ones on the iStock sites. Even if there's some amendment to the Google deal, what about the next one? Without an opt out, it would just be a matter of waiting for the next shoe to drop

ShadySue

« Reply #754 on: January 31, 2013, 19:37 »
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And see the right sidebar, earning are stable at 40%,
That's not stable, it's been falling rapidly as the monthly sales over there have been showing since Sept.
New thread starting tomorrow.

« Reply #755 on: January 31, 2013, 19:39 »
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I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.

Lobo has started a new thread, 'holding' on Google but with a bit of info about deactivation over the next few weeks of all images in the MS 'promotion'.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1


I am reservedly hopeful, and believe that the collective actions of many outspoken contributors are to thank for this "productive dialogue with Google".


I'm just about the opposite. The Google deal is just one (albeit awful one) case. They think they can make other such deals - premium access with a license different from the ones on the iStock sites. Even if there's some amendment to the Google deal, what about the next one? Without an opt out, it would just be a matter of waiting for the next shoe to drop


I agree that Opt-Out is critical. I also think contributors need to remain on high alert and stay "collective". But, I am hopeful that there is an indication they are listening and taking at least some actions.

eta: and that our collective actions are potentially influential.

« Reply #756 on: January 31, 2013, 19:46 »
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I'm wait this thread ShadySue, I'm new and don't sell in iStock.

« Reply #757 on: January 31, 2013, 22:39 »
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I've dropped about 40 files today and kept the deactivation reason simple "Deactivation Day". Will purge more on IS tomorrow when it's actually the 2nd here.

eyeidea

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« Reply #758 on: January 31, 2013, 22:58 »
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WOW! LISA!!! HOLY COW! This is amazing, sad but amazing!

I am so very bummed that the days of good old iStock are behind us. But bravo for this! I left exclusivity both video and images last year. I haven't uploaded there for quite some time. I am much happier at other sites. I guess maybe I can still be part of this "strike" by disabling some images?

Reef

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« Reply #759 on: February 01, 2013, 00:33 »
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If my sales at IS over the last few days are anything to go by it might already be happening. This week my sales have fallen off a cliff, to literally about one third of what they were during the same week in January 2012. Probably just the normal ebb and flow but I wonder how others are doing?

Complete opposite for myself. Until I read this I was thinking IS had changed best match to generate more sales, and therefore more confusion for Feb 2nd.

4Ever Young

« Reply #760 on: February 01, 2013, 00:36 »
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I have a question.  If you're independent, can IS still include your photos in the Google Giveaway?  And if they do and you have those files at another agency, wouldn't agency #2 have a huge problem with that?

« Reply #761 on: February 01, 2013, 00:40 »
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« Last Edit: May 11, 2014, 22:33 by tickstock »

« Reply #762 on: February 01, 2013, 00:43 »
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I have a question.  If you're independent, can IS still include your photos in the Google Giveaway?  And if they do and you have those files at another agency, wouldn't agency #2 have a huge problem with that?

Yes you can. Images were taken from Thinkstock, so some iStock images are there plus some from StockXpert (Hemera collection). Shutterstock knows that this is the case - I tweeted Jon Oringer when we first found out about this miserable deal. I didn't expect him to do anything about specific images, but just to see how much of a threat this Getty/Google partnership from hades is to other stock sites

« Reply #763 on: February 01, 2013, 01:36 »
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Feb 2nd is tomorrow.
But which timezone.
Greenwich mean time?

« Reply #764 on: February 01, 2013, 01:41 »
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Feb 2nd is tomorrow.
But which timezone.
Greenwich mean time?

Everything on the iStock site is measured by their time - MST which is GMT - 7. Wouldn't it make sense to use that?

And where I am, February 1st is tomorrow (Friday) and February 2nd is the day after (Saturday), so I'm guessing you're east of me :)

« Reply #765 on: February 01, 2013, 04:02 »
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I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.
Exactly, if it was good news, we would of had it already.  It looks like they're having to wait for Google to agree to make changes on a contract they've already signed.  If Google say no, what can they do?  If Google do agree to some concessions, it doesn't change much because Getty/istock have demonstrated that they don't understand the value of our images and that there's nothing they wouldn't consider to make a quick buck at our expense.

ShadySue

« Reply #766 on: February 01, 2013, 04:46 »
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I'm wait this thread ShadySue, I'm new and don't sell in iStock.

Only a few posts on it just now, but check in in a few hours or tomorrow:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351109&page=1


CD123

« Reply #768 on: February 01, 2013, 07:59 »
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It's outrageous that iStockphoto & Co need this level of supervision by contributors and forums like this one.

Good luck with the first organised contributor led action tomorrow a little bit of Microstock history in the making.
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May you all rise to be counted and the ripple effect send a scary message to other agencies who disrespects their life giving contributors!!!

« Reply #769 on: February 01, 2013, 08:34 »
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Count me in on this! glad to support this community and send a message

« Reply #770 on: February 01, 2013, 08:45 »
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Istock have posted an update about google & microsft deals here: http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1
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Google Drive

Once again, we'd like to thank you for your continued patience. To reiterate from previous posts, royalties have been paid in connection with the Google Drive usage based on all consideration received by Getty Images under the licensing agreement. We understand your concerns relating to the deal and we are making progress in a productive dialogue with Google about these concerns and potential solutions. As many of you have pointed out Google is a big company, much bigger than Getty Images, and coordinating across the teams there that will help with any modifications is taking longer than we might have hoped, but things are still proceeding.

Microsoft

Based on your concerns, we have also been working with Microsoft over the past several months to bring resolution to the license that was set up in 2007. Over the next 60 days all imagery licensed as part of this promotional arrangement will be removed from the online version of Microsoft Office. Keep in mind though that all licenses that were granted by Microsoft prior to the removal of the content remain valid licenses under the terms of the Microsoft EULA. As previously explained, if you see instances where your content is being used without or contrary to the iStock or Microsoft license terms, please let us know at ce@istockphoto.com.

Our contributors are extremely important to us. We take very seriously our obligation of representing your creative work. While every deal is not perfect out of the gate, we strive to license your content in a financially beneficial manner and believe we largely succeed in this effort across the millions of customers and transactions completed each year. We are also working hard to make your content available to new customers in new uses through investments in marketing, technology and new business models. At the same time, we are investing heavily in technology, education and industry efforts to protect your copyrighted work and license your content responsibly.

Thanks again for your time, patience and constructive feedback.

« Reply #771 on: February 01, 2013, 09:07 »
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« Reply #772 on: February 01, 2013, 09:10 »
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Istock have posted an update about google & microsft deals here: http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1
Quote
Google Drive

Once again, we'd like to thank you for your continued patience. To reiterate from previous posts, royalties have been paid in connection with the Google Drive usage based on all consideration received by Getty Images under the licensing agreement. We understand your concerns relating to the deal and we are making progress in a productive dialogue with Google about these concerns and potential solutions. As many of you have pointed out Google is a big company, much bigger than Getty Images, and coordinating across the teams there that will help with any modifications is taking longer than we might have hoped, but things are still proceeding.

Microsoft

Based on your concerns, we have also been working with Microsoft over the past several months to bring resolution to the license that was set up in 2007. Over the next 60 days all imagery licensed as part of this promotional arrangement will be removed from the online version of Microsoft Office. Keep in mind though that all licenses that were granted by Microsoft prior to the removal of the content remain valid licenses under the terms of the Microsoft EULA. As previously explained, if you see instances where your content is being used without or contrary to the iStock or Microsoft license terms, please let us know at ce@istockphoto.com.

Our contributors are extremely important to us. We take very seriously our obligation of representing your creative work. While every deal is not perfect out of the gate, we strive to license your content in a financially beneficial manner and believe we largely succeed in this effort across the millions of customers and transactions completed each year. We are also working hard to make your content available to new customers in new uses through investments in marketing, technology and new business models. At the same time, we are investing heavily in technology, education and industry efforts to protect your copyrighted work and license your content responsibly.

Thanks again for your time, patience and constructive feedback.




Seems like a bait and switch to me.  This was the best Post that I read from eelnosiva:

"Am I reading the same note from Lobo? Why all the contributor thanks? He's just announced that it has taken over 5 years to resolve the Microsoft debacle and no news on the Google deal despite a contributor revolt planned for tomorrow.


Am I missing something...?"



« Reply #773 on: February 01, 2013, 09:22 »
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« Reply #774 on: February 01, 2013, 09:29 »
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I'm in(out). Removed most of my bestsellers a year ago. I try to deactivate my model released images.


 

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