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« Reply #525 on: January 24, 2013, 15:13 »
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Can you people take your elementary school playground energy and try to focus it in the subject at hand instead of trying to one up bitch-slap your peers with your wittiness?  No wonder nothing ever gets done around here.
I am sorry Sean, but its tough when a few people try to disrupt. Unfortunately others who mean well get sucked in. Including me.


« Reply #526 on: January 24, 2013, 16:27 »
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Yesterday i got all the PP files I had activated 2 years back off that list.  Looking back at it it did more damage than good to sales as it devalued the chances of iStock sales.    Sean and others did make the point back then but I didn't listen.   I was wrong and I'm sorry! The best match had buried those files and I thought it wasa way to get some life back in, not worth it!

So around 800 files less for Thinkstock and or Photos.com to give away.

ShadySue

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« Reply #527 on: January 24, 2013, 16:44 »
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Yesterday i got all the PP files I had activated 2 years back off that list.  Looking back at it it did more damage than good to sales as it devalued the chances of iStock sales.    Sean and others did make the point back then but I didn't listen.   I was wrong and I'm sorry! The best match had buried those files and I thought it wasa way to get some life back in, not worth it!

So around 800 files less for Thinkstock and or Photos.com to give away.
Good for you, but although oldladybird assures us that no iStock files were given away (for $12 or $6) in the second giveaway, I don't think there's anything stopping them taking from iStock's main collection if they choose to do so.

« Reply #528 on: January 24, 2013, 17:22 »
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I read several comments, the first of this thread, and now a bit confused...so, on Feb 2nd a lot of people is going to deactivate the entire or part of their portfolio on iStock. I have tried to de-activate a couple of files, but they ask for deactivation reason. Is there a way to bulk-deactivate the whole portfolio? I have about 300 files there, it would take an entire day doing one by one...please advise!

ciao

lisafx

« Reply #529 on: January 24, 2013, 20:27 »
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I read several comments, the first of this thread, and now a bit confused...so, on Feb 2nd a lot of people is going to deactivate the entire or part of their portfolio on iStock. I have tried to de-activate a couple of files, but they ask for deactivation reason. Is there a way to bulk-deactivate the whole portfolio? I have about 300 files there, it would take an entire day doing one by one...please advise!

ciao


There are a number of references in this thread to Sean Locke's Greasemonkey script, which will allow you to deactivate much faster. 

Here's a link to Tyler's post explaining it: 
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/d-day-%28deactivation-day%29-on-istock-feb-2/msg291150/#msg291150

And here's the direct link: 
http://digitalplanetdesign.com/scripts/IS_myUploads_fixes.user.js

« Reply #530 on: January 24, 2013, 21:33 »
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Why has CJ6 been banned?

He's made a valid point: deleting just the non-sellers effectively doesn't do much. I also hold the opinion that if you're deleting your images, it should include your best sellers as well. Can this "issue" be discussed in a constructive way, without anyone being banned (maybe a new topic)? It sounds reasonable and logical because of that 20/80 distribution [20% of your photos make up 80% of your income (however, some say it's more like 10/80)] - if I delete or deactivate the bottom 50% of my portfolio, it'll only affect 5% of my earnings. Sure - the total number of photos available to iStock will be smaller, but only the non-selling files will be gone. We're actually curating the collective portfolio and making it more appealing to the buyers, right?

I firmly believe that every action should carry a meaning. And we need a strong action to carry a strong meaning. Is this really a strong action?

« Reply #531 on: January 24, 2013, 21:41 »
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In addition, if we really send out a strong message, maybe the royalty percentage would be negotiable as well, since they would lose a lot of top selling images. And those are the ones that keep the agencies afloat. ;)

« Reply #532 on: January 24, 2013, 22:02 »
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Hey Spike, I can see your point of view, I really can. But, at the moment I personally feel like I've been such a freakin idiot to be selling photos for 16% cut. I don't have files in this deal, but tomorrow - who knows.  It's like I just woke up from a bender and said "OMG what did I do last night?  How will I show my face again?"    I just pulled all my files from 123 because they chopped royalties - that were much higher than Istocks I should point out.  How in good consience could I stay with Istock? 

I think I must have been glamoured by those blood * vampires.

« Reply #533 on: January 24, 2013, 22:38 »
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 I have spoken directly with Blend about our images that were used. They were from our Legacy collection images that have been with us from the start and are no longer making sales.

...

Not true... I have one of my Blend images there that was uploaded in 2011 and is still making sales.
I guess I can kiss goodbye for future earnings from that image.

« Reply #534 on: January 24, 2013, 22:42 »
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Why has CJ6 been banned?

He's made a valid point: deleting just the non-sellers effectively doesn't do much. I also hold the opinion that if you're deleting your images, it should include your best sellers as well. Can this "issue" be discussed in a constructive way, without anyone being banned (maybe a new topic)? It sounds reasonable and logical because of that 20/80 distribution [20% of your photos make up 80% of your income (however, some say it's more like 10/80)] - if I delete or deactivate the bottom 50% of my portfolio, it'll only affect 5% of my earnings. Sure - the total number of photos available to iStock will be smaller, but only the non-selling files will be gone. We're actually curating the collective portfolio and making it more appealing to the buyers, right?

I firmly believe that every action should carry a meaning. And we need a strong action to carry a strong meaning. Is this really a strong action?

Hi spike, I think many people have a different reason for deactivating, not just to send a message. That is to protect your IP. If Getty makes your files available for what is effectively free distribution through Google then you'll have little prospect of selling them again anywhere. Also if you have images of models who were doing you a favor, maybe family or friends, you may not want to risk that they could be used for any purpose without redress, unlike the standard licences that give some protection. It would be nice to send Getty a message but it would seem they're not listening anyway.

« Reply #535 on: January 24, 2013, 23:51 »
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Hi ffNixx,

 I did answer it earlier when I said it was 62 of our bottom feeders that were agreed upon by Blend and Getty from our Legacy collection. Getty did not just pull our files. If you reread what I already wrote I think you will find I clearly stated this prior.

Jonathan


« Reply #536 on: January 25, 2013, 00:11 »
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Hello aremafoto,

 I think this is something you need to take up directly with the CEO or editors at Blend. If you are unhappy about an image of yours that you feel will not sell again or your sales are not good at Blend they want to know. One thing to consider, your image base price at Blend is much higher and those images will not be purchased for basic in-house use as is limited in the Google Docs agreement.
 You made a sale you did not do as much damage to your image sale on that one image being it is priced out at Macro RF prices keeping it from being chosen for in-house use generally speaking.
 This was also to strengthen Blends position and relations with the largest distributor of imagery in the world, and that it did. In the end of the day you have to ask yourself " am I happy with what my agency is doing for me and if not is there someone else that could do better ". If so then I think you should shoot the largest % of your work for that agency that makes you the most return but I would still never rely on just that one agency, things have a way of changing fast in this business. Just my 2 cents. If you would like to PM me for support on the issue I would be very happy to help in any way I can.

Thanks,
Jonathan

« Reply #537 on: January 25, 2013, 00:49 »
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Hello aremafoto,

This was also to strengthen Blends position and relations with the largest distributor of imagery in the world, and that it did.

You're kidding us? You really think that Getty's going to cosy up to your agency just because you let it license a few dozen images on a deal that your CEO apparently agreed with them was just a perfectly normal everyday bundle deal. They've already told us that the deal is good for Google, good for Getty and good for the people who supply the images, so in their eyes they've presumably done you a favour, not the other way round.

« Reply #538 on: January 25, 2013, 01:00 »
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I deleted my flames because I was tired of being abused.
I left one up, so I can reach the next payout, then Ill delete the rest.

BUT interesting enough, I have had good sales at other agencies with those images. Much better than usual. So it looks like the buyers follow the images.

+ I have sales on strange old pictures at istock.
So it looks like the buyers are spending their savings.

I wonder if that after the exodus at the 2nd of Feb. istock will become a sinkhole?

« Reply #539 on: January 25, 2013, 01:17 »
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Why has CJ6 been banned?

He's made a valid point: deleting just the non-sellers effectively doesn't do much. I also hold the opinion that if you're deleting your images, it should include your best sellers as well. Can this "issue" be discussed in a constructive way, without anyone being banned (maybe a new topic)? It sounds reasonable and logical because of that 20/80 distribution [20% of your photos make up 80% of your income (however, some say it's more like 10/80)] - if I delete or deactivate the bottom 50% of my portfolio, it'll only affect 5% of my earnings. Sure - the total number of photos available to iStock will be smaller, but only the non-selling files will be gone. We're actually curating the collective portfolio and making it more appealing to the buyers, right?

I firmly believe that every action should carry a meaning. And we need a strong action to carry a strong meaning. Is this really a strong action?

I agree in full with this analysis.  Symbolic yes, effective???--- to be determined

I can't seem to find it in the multitude of posts, but how can you tell if your photos have been sent over?
Thanks, and best wishes to all no matter what they choose.

« Reply #540 on: January 25, 2013, 01:23 »
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it was not his debates and arguments, but all the aliases that always ended with the same insults.

« Reply #541 on: January 25, 2013, 01:35 »
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Warming up with deleting all 3 of my flickr -> getty images and closing the account there.

« Reply #542 on: January 25, 2013, 03:54 »
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Hi ffNixx,

 I did answer it earlier when I said it was 62 of our bottom feeders that were agreed upon by Blend and Getty from our Legacy collection. Getty did not just pull our files. If you reread what I already wrote I think you will find I clearly stated this prior.

Jonathan

Thank you for the confirmation.

To the rest of you who are affected by the deal and were not consulted, this is valuable information, it strengthens your case. Getty acted arbitrarily in how they interpreted their contractual obligations. Their prudence to seek agreement from contributors was not uniformly applied and they placed those who were not consulted at a competitive disadvantage.

« Reply #543 on: January 25, 2013, 04:12 »
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Hi ffNixx,

 I did answer it earlier when I said it was 62 of our bottom feeders that were agreed upon by Blend and Getty from our Legacy collection. Getty did not just pull our files. If you reread what I already wrote I think you will find I clearly stated this prior.

Jonathan
So it looks like they have some respect for Blend but its different for the contributors that had some of their better selling images used in the Google collection without being consulted about it.

« Reply #544 on: January 25, 2013, 05:14 »
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Why has CJ6 been banned?

He was banned because he has been banned many times before under different accounts (wut, slovenian) for being rude, insulting to others and unprofessional. 

« Reply #545 on: January 25, 2013, 05:16 »
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I can't seem to find it in the multitude of posts, but how can you tell if your photos have been sent over?



you can search for your name or username on this list
http://seanlockephotography.com/data.html

vlad_the_imp

« Reply #546 on: January 25, 2013, 05:28 »
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Anybody care to venture a guess on how much all this file deletion has cost Getty so far? With a very conservative estimate of 40,000 files by 02/02, my guess would be at the very least $1-million (including their 85% cut). And it will grow as the momentum continues. Many of these files are highly profitable bestsellers from experienced artists, and it's taken time for those images to reach their peak. So even if people are "waiting in line" to join IS, these file deletions have already taken a considerable toll on GI's bottom line for a long time to come. Wish there was a way to get the actual figures and send them to the investors.

Whilst I have every sympathy with the action to deactivate files, I even may do some of mine, comments like this one just make me laugh. Do you honestly think that, because someone has deactivated a file, the buyer doesn't just go and buy a different one? They don't even know your files have gone. 40k files out of 12 million? A minute drop in the ocean, a pinprick on the side of an elephant. Deactivating hasn't, in anyones wildest dreams, 'taken a considerable toll on Getty's bottom line'.
I just want to inject a bit of reality here.

« Reply #547 on: January 25, 2013, 05:47 »
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I just want to inject a bit of reality here.
Yes, the action - blogs, tweets, articles about D-Day, draw the attention, not the image drop itself. But the power of cooperation, voice of contributors. We are not silent lambs.

« Reply #548 on: January 25, 2013, 06:04 »
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Anybody care to venture a guess on how much all this file deletion has cost Getty so far? With a very conservative estimate of 40,000 files by 02/02, my guess would be at the very least $1-million (including their 85% cut). And it will grow as the momentum continues. Many of these files are highly profitable bestsellers from experienced artists, and it's taken time for those images to reach their peak. So even if people are "waiting in line" to join IS, these file deletions have already taken a considerable toll on GI's bottom line for a long time to come. Wish there was a way to get the actual figures and send them to the investors.

Whilst I have every sympathy with the action to deactivate files, I even may do some of mine, comments like this one just make me laugh. Do you honestly think that, because someone has deactivated a file, the buyer doesn't just go and buy a different one? They don't even know your files have gone. 40k files out of 12 million? A minute drop in the ocean, a pinprick on the side of an elephant. Deactivating hasn't, in anyones wildest dreams, 'taken a considerable toll on Getty's bottom line'.
I just want to inject a bit of reality here.

I dont give plus or minus hearts but I gave you one because youve just read my own thoughts! and for every file deactivated there are 50 being uploaded, so?????????????.
Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
« Last Edit: January 25, 2013, 06:14 by ClaridgeJ »

« Reply #549 on: January 25, 2013, 06:14 »
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Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

You keep harping on this delete thing.  The reason nobody is saying they are deleting their images is because iStock doesn't have a delete option.  There is only a deactivate option.


 

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