Quote from: familienfotografen.at on April 21, 2021, 14:37

Hard to believe all other agencies can tell me instantly what I have sold but iStock/Getty - with decades of experience - is not able to issue a monthly statement.

iStock used to report in real time. And with lots more sales in those days, it was really fun!

I once tried to explain this to a friend: so the agency is called iStock but it's actually owned by Getty, but you have to use Deepmeta to upload, but your keywords ain't valid unless you choose what you meant, your images are sold on iStock but also on Getty, but actually not, but actually yes and you use completely other site called ESP to check your earnings and upload status but you can't check your earning because they are published only once a month every 20th but are actually almost never out straight on 20th...

Quote from: Firn on April 21, 2021, 03:11

Quote from: Bad Robot on April 21, 2021, 02:51

So much excitement over receiving pennies 

I care little for pennies, but I am rather excited about the few hundred bucks I usually make on Istock. 


This constant looking down on contributors who decide to submit to an agency where they make decent money, but you aren't is getting a bit tiresome. iStock isn't working out for you? Well, sucks. But to some people it's one of their top earners and to some, like myself, it is actually not just pocket change, but money that makes a big contribution to, for example, paying their rent.
I am not going around making fun of contributors for submitting to Pond5 or Alamy or being excited about their earnings there, just because these agencies aren't eaning me any noteworthy amount of money. I understand that, what works for them, might not work for me and the other way around.
If you make fun of people for being excited about "earning pennies" just because that's all you earn  there and automatically assume it must be the same for everyone else, the joke is really on you.

I don't earn pennies on isuck because I ditched them years ago when they introduced their exciting news in 2017 

Then why the spiteful remark about people who are excited about their earnings? Makes you sound like you see that others still make good money with an agency you ditched and now are bitter about losing out on money.





I got my iStock payment this morning by the way, even though the sales report still isn't there for me. 

BME... which is not a term I've had the pleasure of using for a while! Have been uploading more than usual in the last 6 months or so, but still... 30% up on my last BME. Won't be surprised if next worth is my WME though... I get quite a few ups and downs there. 

Quote from: ShadySue on April 21, 2021, 13:39

Am I remembering correctly that March is the month where they do a huge Connect report, where more or less every one of our images has sold for a fraction of a cent - even though there are also some Connect reports monthly.
It's all smoke and mirrors. 

Not if my download numbers are anything to go by.

You were right - I had 16000 Connect sales reported.

I earned $44 in March which was down from $65 in February.

RPD between $0.48 and $0.66 so far this year.

Quote from: Bad Robot on April 22, 2021, 04:39

  Bitter? Why no. Because some people made a stand against this agency crap of pennies and sub pennies unlike some others who help support the abuse, reduction in earnings and then have the temerity to crow about how great it is

Where are you submitting now?

Not istock, not shitterstock, not 123rf, not Envato, not Bigstock, and not Deposit photos

Compared to 12 years ago when I submitted to 16 agencies I only submit to four now. 

Some like Veer and GL died an un-natural death of their own accord 

Quote from: Firn on April 22, 2021, 00:28

Quote from: Bad Robot on April 21, 2021, 10:20

Quote from: Firn on April 21, 2021, 03:11

Quote from: Bad Robot on April 21, 2021, 02:51

So much excitement over receiving pennies 

I care little for pennies, but I am rather excited about the few hundred bucks I usually make on Istock. 


This constant looking down on contributors who decide to submit to an agency where they make decent money, but you aren't is getting a bit tiresome. iStock isn't working out for you? Well, sucks. But to some people it's one of their top earners and to some, like myself, it is actually not just pocket change, but money that makes a big contribution to, for example, paying their rent.
I am not going around making fun of contributors for submitting to Pond5 or Alamy or being excited about their earnings there, just because these agencies aren't eaning me any noteworthy amount of money. I understand that, what works for them, might not work for me and the other way around.
If you make fun of people for being excited about "earning pennies" just because that's all you earn  there and automatically assume it must be the same for everyone else, the joke is really on you.

I don't earn pennies on isuck because I ditched them years ago when they introduced their exciting news in 2017 

Then why the spiteful remark about people who are excited about their earnings? Makes you sound like you see that others still make good money with an agency you ditched and now are bitter about losing out on money.

   Bitter? Why no. Because some people made a stand against this agency crap of pennies and sub pennies unlike some others who help support the abuse, reduction in earnings and then have the temerity to crow about how great it is

It's great that you were in a position to make a stand against agencies whos policies you don't agree with. But please don't look down on others who aren't in such a  position and don't expect of them to fight your fight.
 As I said above, for me iStock is helping me paying my rent. I am not in a position where I can just say "oh, I will ditch iStock or Shutterstock because they are hurting my pride", because then I am losing a great part of my income and actually won't be able to pay my rent.
So, to those people who just do this for fun or make such great amounts of money from Microstock that ditching 12 agencies doesn't hurt their livelihood, that's great! But many people are not in such a position. I am certainly not.

Quote from: Bad Robot on April 22, 2021, 05:20

Quote from: ShadySue on April 22, 2021, 04:59

Quote from: Bad Robot on April 22, 2021, 04:39

  Bitter? Why no. Because some people made a stand against this agency crap of pennies and sub pennies unlike some others who help support the abuse, reduction in earnings and then have the temerity to crow about how great it is

Where are you submitting now?

Not istock, not shitterstock, not 123rf, not Envato, not Bigstock, and not Deposit photos

Compared to 12 years ago when I submitted to 16 agencies I only submit to four now. 

Some like Veer and GL died an un-natural death of their own accord 

with this track, you will soon quit the remaining 4.

You are probably right

Quote from: ShadySue on April 21, 2021, 15:26

Quote from: familienfotografen.at on April 21, 2021, 14:37

Hard to believe all other agencies can tell me instantly what I have sold but iStock/Getty - with decades of experience - is not able to issue a monthly statement.

iStock used to report in real time. And with lots more sales in those days, it was really fun!

I once tried to explain this to a friend: so the agency is called iStock but it's actually owned by Getty, but you have to use Deepmeta to upload, but your keywords ain't valid unless you choose what you meant, your images are sold on iStock but also on Getty, but actually not, but actually yes and you use completely other site called ESP to check your earnings and upload status but you can't check your earning because they are published only once a month every 20th but are actually almost never out straight on 20th...

Very nice, I'll add a little?

For fairness you can also upload using another outside developed software, that also does stats. qhero.com
ESP says Getty | ESP but I still like your explanation.

I think part of the delay in reporting is the shared revenue from a subscription purchase. Which can't be calculated until the month is up. Example (If I'm remembering right? Anyone feel free to correct or adjust.) Example: Someone pays iStock $10 for 10 downloads a month. If they take all ten, each person (non-exclusive) gets their 15 cents from each dollar. Someone else  pays $10 for 10 downloads and only takes 5 images, we would get 30c for each of those downloads. So there's no way for iStock to know how much to pay us, until after the contract limits for that month are known.

Now why they take so long to calculate, after that, is some kind of computer math and accounting problem? 

March Mine: 1.84 USD, 8 photos sold, 0.23 average Pay rent, surely you jest. I can buy a bottle of soda pop with that.

Please, it's a personal problem? 

Connect = 976 for $4.22823 and average .0043322 per sale. It takes 1,000 downloads to make a little over $4. If that's an annual, Whoo Hoo! Exciting news just under half a cent for each use.

For comparison, Adobe:
 Congratulations, Pete!
Yesterday you made: $26.40

Even at Alamy: $ 19.99 which is $9.99 for one sale.

So I'd guess the how exciting part varies from person to person? Especially when I make more in a day on Adobe that I have this year on IS?

Connect? Maybe there's something different for Exclusives? I see mine on DeepMeta, for example the $4.22 this month. Unless I don't read that right and it's for the year. I can't imagine getting nearly 1,000 of the .00422 cent downloads in one month. I never understand Connect anyway.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 22, 2021, 12:14

Quote from: qunamax on April 21, 2021, 17:49

...I once tried to explain this to a friend: so the agency is called iStock but it's actually owned by Getty, but you have to use Deepmeta to upload, ...

Very nice, I'll add a little?
For fairness you can also upload using another outside developed software, that also does stats. qhero.com

For extreme fairness, you can also upload directly within ESP, which is what I do.

Maybe I'll try that for a single some day and see how it works. Been so long I forgot. DM works very well and I like the data reporting, releases, all that, which makes everything easier in one place, but good point. I need to go there and take a look.

They sold all my portfolio of 2440 vectors for 10.8336$ !!!!!!!! 0.0044 RPD 

Not a secret, here's what they said.

"Connect statement

This month, contributors may see a higher than usual number of Connect transactions under 'Fixed Usage Fee', which typically relates to licenses to search-engines and similar businesses. For example, we may license large portions of our content library to a search engine with the potential for the search engine to use the content as part of its business. In such cases, we pay a royalty on all of the files, regardless of whether the search engine actually uses them under the license."

They sold all my portfolio of 2440 vectors for 10.8336$ !!!!!!!! 0.0044 RPD 

Well Well, I feel much better now about those fractional sales from Connect.