Author Topic: February 2024 statements - how did you do? (Read 18530 times)

cobalt · « **Reply #100 on:** April 01, 2024, 11:56 »

But a lot of people did stop uploading ro are uploading a lot less to SS. They are getting less than 50% of content that they used to get. With video the drop is even steeper, although that might be balanced by the exclusive content on pond5.

They have also lost their stock groth and are only talking about how much money they want to do with ai.

Adobe seems to be getting the best content at the money and they are showing a very strong surge in sales.

Basically SS transferred a lot of producers to. Adobe and they took their clients with them.

However, if SS reopened their forums, came up with a much more sensible royalty plan, they could easily win back the producers that left.

Eventually it will happen, but it might take a few more years. At the moment they are having phenomenal earnings and growth with ai.

So who cares about the basics?

And maybe they are right, perhaps with ai they can create anything they need and longterm can live without new producers.

noelbennett235 · « **Reply #101 on:** April 05, 2024, 09:37 »

Since Getty is a public company, I wonder did their auditors spot something that led to this mass refund.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #102 on:** April 11, 2024, 04:59 »

more than happy to not have to see this rubbish anymore!

It's our fault that we continue to provide content to these agencies,like Istock or SS.

I stopped thinking about money in the short term,and I decided almost a year ago to only support Adobe which is the only honest agency,and which in my opinion could also raise the prices of content to customers,which unfortunately cannot do because it has to remain competitive with these other large agencies like Istock,and it's our fault because we continue to give content to these thieves.

I'm tired of this nonsense,15% and 10c on the other side and clip pack sales of 0.25c yes of course on SS you can also sell a video for 100usd or more but you have to be extremely lucky,but a business cannot be founded on luck.

anyway next month will be better (maybe) and many will forget all this until the next theft,and in the meantime you will continue to fill the bellies of these people who do not have the slightest respect for people and their work.

all this is our fault,the microstock has changed,maybe it's time for us to change too!

Since I've been working only with Adobe Stock,I've had a better and more peaceful life,and I am more focused and creative,I remember when I worked for Istock,with all their stupid and antiquated systems from indexing to statements and all the rest,they were eating my soul!

Wilm · « **Reply #103 on:** April 11, 2024, 12:47 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on April 11, 2024, 04:59

more than happy to not have to see this rubbish anymore!

It's our fault that we continue to provide content to these agencies,like Istock or SS.

I stopped thinking about money in the short term,and I decided almost a year ago to only support Adobe which is the only honest agency,and which in my opinion could also raise the prices of content to customers,which unfortunately cannot do because it has to remain competitive with these other large agencies like Istock,and it's our fault because we continue to give content to these thieves.

I'm tired of this nonsense,15% and 10c on the other side and clip pack sales of 0.25c yes of course on SS you can also sell a video for 100usd or more but you have to be extremely lucky,but a business cannot be founded on luck.

anyway next month will be better (maybe) and many will forget all this until the next theft,and in the meantime you will continue to fill the bellies of these people who do not have the slightest respect for people and their work.

all this is our fault,the microstock has changed,maybe it's time for us to change too!

Since I've been working only with Adobe Stock,I've had a better and more peaceful life,and I am more focused and creative,I remember when I worked for Istock,with all their stupid and antiquated systems from indexing to statements and all the rest,they were eating my soul!

Basically, I agree with you.

Unfortunately, I - and other contributors - have noticed that RPD is also declining at AS. In my case, it's down 16% compared to one or two years ago. It has to be said clearly that AS still has the greatest fairness among the larger agencies. But they also operate for their own benefit - not ours.

Concentrating exclusively on AS is certainly a good way to counteract price dumping. But there is also a big risk. If there is a significant change in the AS search algorithm, sales can drop dramatically from one day to the next. That's why I've always avoided being dependent on a single agency.

No matter how you do it, there is always a catch.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #104 on:** April 12, 2024, 06:00 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 11, 2024, 12:47

Quote from: Injustice for all on April 11, 2024, 04:59
more than happy to not have to see this rubbish anymore!

It's our fault that we continue to provide content to these agencies,like Istock or SS.

I stopped thinking about money in the short term,and I decided almost a year ago to only support Adobe which is the only honest agency,and which in my opinion could also raise the prices of content to customers,which unfortunately cannot do because it has to remain competitive with these other large agencies like Istock,and it's our fault because we continue to give content to these thieves.

I'm tired of this nonsense,15% and 10c on the other side and clip pack sales of 0.25c yes of course on SS you can also sell a video for 100usd or more but you have to be extremely lucky,but a business cannot be founded on luck.

anyway next month will be better (maybe) and many will forget all this until the next theft,and in the meantime you will continue to fill the bellies of these people who do not have the slightest respect for people and their work.

all this is our fault,the microstock has changed,maybe it's time for us to change too!

Since I've been working only with Adobe Stock,I've had a better and more peaceful life,and I am more focused and creative,I remember when I worked for Istock,with all their stupid and antiquated systems from indexing to statements and all the rest,they were eating my soul!

Basically, I agree with you.

Unfortunately, I - and other contributors - have noticed that RPD is also declining at AS. In my case, it's down 16% compared to one or two years ago. It has to be said clearly that AS still has the greatest fairness among the larger agencies. But they also operate for their own benefit - not ours.

Concentrating exclusively on AS is certainly a good way to counteract price dumping. But there is also a big risk. If there is a significant change in the AS search algorithm, sales can drop dramatically from one day to the next. That's why I've always avoided being dependent on a single agency.

No matter how you do it, there is always a catch.

when I started in microstock I worked with several agencies and I still have ports open in some agencies,but simply for about a year I have only been uploading to Adobe.

since I started working only on Adobe my sales have improved,in 2023 I earned 300% more on Adobe than in 2022 in terms of money,and that's because I have more time to research what's missing on Adobe and I've found a huge niche where I have virtually no competition,and I no longer have that frenetic attitude of having to think about all these agencies so I am more relaxed and focused,take care of the descriptions and all the possible details that are not possible when you have to think about too many agencies,because you have to work more schematically and quickly,and then I believe it is important to work with those who treat me fairly.

I don't think there can be a change in the search algorithm,Adobe's sales system works differently from all other agencies,from what I understand,it is done in such a way that all active contributors sell,and over time they sell more depending on how much and what you produce.

the point in my opinion is simple,in the current state of affairs if Adobe sinks,the microstock is finished.

agencies like Istock are based on the fact that contributors try to get money where they can,and therefore exploit us,because they still receive content from contributors.

the problem is that Adobe must remain competitive with the other large agencies,and the truth in my opinion is that if RPD drops on Adobe,it's our fault because we help the competition.

by continuing to support agencies like Istock we end up shooting ourselves in the foot.

the problem is that we need money,and this mania of ours to have everything possible will end up ruining us,whether we like it or not,I am firmly convinced that the fault of the current state of things of microstock is ours,because we are the ones who allow it,we are the microstock,agencies like Istock are nothing without us.

of course Adobe thinks about its own interests,and I'm happy about it,because if Adobe Stock grows as an agency we contributors are growing too.

Having said this,I am the first hypocrite of all,because I still have my active port on SS because unfortunately I need the money,but at least I have achieved the decency to no longer upload!

Injustice for all · « **Reply #105 on:** April 12, 2024, 10:32 »

@Wilm

I just wanted to add this,and sorry if I'm digressing from the main topic:

an RPD down 16% means nothing,are your sales numbers increasing?Overall with the passing of the years,are you earning more on Adobe or not?

put RPD aside because they are also market strategies,more sales at a lower price lead to higher profits.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #106 on:** April 12, 2024, 11:30 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 11, 2024, 12:47

Unfortunately, I - and other contributors - have noticed that RPD is also declining at AS. In my case, it's down 16% compared to one or two years ago. It has to be said clearly that AS still has the greatest fairness among the larger agencies. But they also operate for their own benefit - not ours.

No matter how you do it, there is always a catch.

RPD is dropping? Now I have to look. I generally only watch income. Too bad it's so difficult to extract historical data from AS.

2023 RPD $.97 (more income every year, than the year before)
2022 RPD $.97
2021 RPD $.98
2020 RPD $.76

2024 RPD $.77 but it's only April. I'll give it some time. The holiday season at the end of the year is my best time.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #107 on:** April 12, 2024, 13:30 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 12, 2024, 11:30

Quote from: Wilm on April 11, 2024, 12:47

Unfortunately, I - and other contributors - have noticed that RPD is also declining at AS. In my case, it's down 16% compared to one or two years ago. It has to be said clearly that AS still has the greatest fairness among the larger agencies. But they also operate for their own benefit - not ours.

No matter how you do it, there is always a catch.

RPD is dropping? Now I have to look. I generally only watch income. Too bad it's so difficult to extract historical data from AS.

2023 RPD $.97 (more income every year, than the year before)
2022 RPD $.97
2021 RPD $.98
2020 RPD $.76

2024 RPD $.77 but it's only April. I'll give it some time. The holiday season at the end of the year is my best time.

Yep!that's exactly what I meant!

an RPD could only make sense by assuming that the total number of sales is always the same,but this is not the case.

now we should calculate an RPD on Istock on annual basis so we can have a laugh!

my RPD on Istock:

2019 RPD 0,50 usd
2020 RPD 0,43 usd
2021 RPD 0,56 usd
2022 RPD 0,47 usd

2019 was the year in which I earned the most,much,much more than the following years,so RPD means nothing.

zeljkok · « **Reply #108 on:** April 12, 2024, 14:47 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on April 12, 2024, 13:30

now we should calculate an RPD on Istock on annual basis so we can have a laugh!

Wanting to get that laugh, or just being curious, I tried to see. But again, just like everything else on Archaic IS platform, obtaining even simplest piece of info is extremely convoluted. I calculated last 3 months

Dec '23: 0.59
Jan '24: 0.44
Feb '24: 0.19 (refunds included)

before giving up. Maybe it would have been easier on Deep Meta, but why can't they have simple Web based interface that lets you get this piece of info with click of mouse; like Adobe portal, just set "From" "To", click and voila: Earning, Downloads.

IMHO this is key reason of IS issues. Whole system set up so poorly: once a month reporting, standalone desktop Deep Meta you have to import statements to, convoluted submission process (managed keywords nonsense, open ticket if you want to update something etc etc) list goes on. No wonder reporting errors are common. They should hire someone with knowledge of modern technology to revamp whole thing, starting with back-end which is from IT perspective likely one of biggest messes you will ever see.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #109 on:** April 12, 2024, 18:36 »

Quote from: zeljkok on April 12, 2024, 14:47

Quote from: Injustice for all on April 12, 2024, 13:30

now we should calculate an RPD on Istock on annual basis so we can have a laugh!

Wanting to get that laugh, or just being curious, I tried to see. But again, just like everything else on Archaic IS platform, obtaining even simplest piece of info is extremely convoluted. I calculated last 3 months

Dec '23: 0.59
Jan '24: 0.44
Feb '24: 0.19 (refunds included)

before giving up. Maybe it would have been easier on Deep Meta, but why can't they have simple Web based interface that lets you get this piece of info with click of mouse; like Adobe portal, just set "From" "To", click and voila: Earning, Downloads.

IMHO this is key reason of IS issues. Whole system set up so poorly: once a month reporting, standalone desktop Deep Meta you have to import statements to, convoluted submission process (managed keywords nonsense, open ticket if you want to update something etc etc) list goes on. No wonder reporting errors are common. They should hire someone with knowledge of modern technology to revamp whole thing, starting with back-end which is from IT perspective likely one of biggest messes you will ever see.

There's a lot to laugh about,after these RPD we can all laugh all the way to the bank!

I don't think they can hire someone with knowledge of modern technology,because they are not even capable of hiring someone who has the slightest experience of well-known creative software such as Photoshop or Illustrator,I can tell you because I know it from personal experience.

The only thing Istock is interested in is making money on people's backs,no matter what they have to do or say to make money.

and 15% already says everything,we do most of the work and they pocket 85%

Istock is a blatant example of modern slavery in all its twisted aspects,I don't want to have anything to do with them anymore.

Wilm · « **Reply #110 on:** April 13, 2024, 11:58 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on April 12, 2024, 10:32

@Wilm

I just wanted to add this,and sorry if I'm digressing from the main topic:

an RPD down 16% means nothing,are your sales numbers increasing?Overall with the passing of the years,are you earning more on Adobe or not?

put RPD aside because they are also market strategies,more sales at a lower price lead to higher profits.

My sales have been relatively constant since 2020. Before that I had more sales. As I upload very few images (maybe 20 or 30 a year), I can't expect an increase in sales.

My best RPD was in 2015 - 1.37. Currently in 2024 I am at 0.94. In addition, the 1.37 was actually in Euros (which was equivalent to 1.54 USD at that time) and it is now 0.94 USD. If I deduct the exchange fees, that leaves 0.91 USD. However, I have not included these because otherwise the PRD would not be comparable with that of the contributors, who have always been paid in USD. Nevertheless, it is actually the case that I have a personally loss of 41% in 2024 compared to 2015 as far as the RPD alone is concerned. It doesn't look any better for the other agencies.

To answer your question specifically and briefly: My income at AS has fallen due to the lower RPD while sales figures have remained relatively constant since 2020.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #111 on:** April 13, 2024, 14:21 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 13, 2024, 11:58

Quote from: Injustice for all on April 12, 2024, 10:32
@Wilm

I just wanted to add this,and sorry if I'm digressing from the main topic:

an RPD down 16% means nothing,are your sales numbers increasing?Overall with the passing of the years,are you earning more on Adobe or not?

put RPD aside because they are also market strategies,more sales at a lower price lead to higher profits.

My sales have been relatively constant since 2020. Before that I had more sales. As I upload very few images (maybe 20 or 30 a year), I can't expect an increase in sales.

My best RPD was in 2015 - 1.37. Currently in 2024 I am at 0.94. In addition, the 1.37 was actually in Euros (which was equivalent to 1.54 USD at that time) and it is now 0.94 USD. If I deduct the exchange fees, that leaves 0.91 USD. However, I have not included these because otherwise the PRD would not be comparable with that of the contributors, who have always been paid in USD. Nevertheless, it is actually the case that I have a personally loss of 41% in 2024 compared to 2015 as far as the RPD alone is concerned. It doesn't look any better for the other agencies.

To answer your question specifically and briefly: My income at AS has fallen due to the lower RPD while sales figures have remained relatively constant since 2020.

Wilm,thanks for the reply!

Wilm · « **Reply #112 on:** April 13, 2024, 16:37 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on April 13, 2024, 14:21

Quote from: Wilm on April 13, 2024, 11:58
Quote from: Injustice for all on April 12, 2024, 10:32
@Wilm

I just wanted to add this,and sorry if I'm digressing from the main topic:

an RPD down 16% means nothing,are your sales numbers increasing?Overall with the passing of the years,are you earning more on Adobe or not?

put RPD aside because they are also market strategies,more sales at a lower price lead to higher profits.

My sales have been relatively constant since 2020. Before that I had more sales. As I upload very few images (maybe 20 or 30 a year), I can't expect an increase in sales.

My best RPD was in 2015 - 1.37. Currently in 2024 I am at 0.94. In addition, the 1.37 was actually in Euros (which was equivalent to 1.54 USD at that time) and it is now 0.94 USD. If I deduct the exchange fees, that leaves 0.91 USD. However, I have not included these because otherwise the PRD would not be comparable with that of the contributors, who have always been paid in USD. Nevertheless, it is actually the case that I have a personally loss of 41% in 2024 compared to 2015 as far as the RPD alone is concerned. It doesn't look any better for the other agencies.

To answer your question specifically and briefly: My income at AS has fallen due to the lower RPD while sales figures have remained relatively constant since 2020.

Wilm,thanks for the reply!

You're welcome!

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #113 on:** April 14, 2024, 13:26 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on April 12, 2024, 13:30

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 12, 2024, 11:30
Quote from: Wilm on April 11, 2024, 12:47

Unfortunately, I - and other contributors - have noticed that RPD is also declining at AS. In my case, it's down 16% compared to one or two years ago. It has to be said clearly that AS still has the greatest fairness among the larger agencies. But they also operate for their own benefit - not ours.

No matter how you do it, there is always a catch.

RPD is dropping? Now I have to look. I generally only watch income. Too bad it's so difficult to extract historical data from AS.

2023 RPD $.97 (more income every year, than the year before)
2022 RPD $.97
2021 RPD $.98
2020 RPD $.76

2024 RPD $.77 but it's only April. I'll give it some time. The holiday season at the end of the year is my best time.

Yep!that's exactly what I meant!

an RPD could only make sense by assuming that the total number of sales is always the same,but this is not the case.

now we should calculate an RPD on Istock on annual basis so we can have a laugh!

my RPD on Istock:

2019 RPD 0,50 usd
2020 RPD 0,43 usd
2021 RPD 0,56 usd
2022 RPD 0,47 usd

2019 was the year in which I earned the most,much,much more than the following years,so RPD means nothing.

I realize that the subject had a slight diversion, since someone mentioned, they felt Adobe RPD was down. I'll get back on topic.

IS 2020 and before somewhere around .82, last two years, not including connect, around .50

I don't recall when they removed all the audio files (2020) or when they removed all my editorial, before that, but RPD and income were better before each of those events. I'm coasting, not uploading new, unless I get In The Mood. Or have something, so stunning, amazing and new, that I just must share it with Getty.

Wilm · « **Reply #114 on:** April 15, 2024, 04:51 »

Now I have checked my RPD for istock. Only images, no videos.

2023 = 0,66
2022 = 0,58
2021 = 0,68
2020 = 0,60
2019 = 0,62
2018 = 0,65
2017 = 0,62

Not statistically usable, but still quite interesting:
01.2024 = 1,24
02.2024 = 1,09

For 03.2024 I can only say that I had 10% more downloads than in January and February.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #115 on:** April 15, 2024, 11:30 »

Quote from: cobalt on April 01, 2024, 11:56

However, if SS reopened their forums, came up with a much more sensible royalty plan, they could easily win back the producers that left.

How many actually left? Does SS really care about "winning back" anyone? Sure we'd all like a fair royalty plan, people would leap back for that. Re-open the forums?

If you have drained a stinky swamp and remove the trash, would you refill it with raw sewerage? Most of the forum was negative towards SS. People constantly stirring up dissent and complaining. (doesn't matter that they were exposing the truth most of the time) Do you think SS wants that public forum, or wants to host it?

FHphotography · « **Reply #116 on:** April 17, 2024, 04:01 »

March earnings are in. Second month without payment

.

Wilm · « **Reply #117 on:** April 17, 2024, 04:53 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 15, 2024, 04:51

Now I have checked my RPD for istock. Only images, no videos.

2023 = 0,66
2022 = 0,58
2021 = 0,68
2020 = 0,60
2019 = 0,62
2018 = 0,65
2017 = 0,62

Not statistically usable, but still quite interesting:
01.2024 = 1,24
02.2024 = 1,09

For 03.2024 I can only say that I had 10% more downloads than in January and February.

03.2024 = 0,52

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