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Shelma1

« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2015, 15:36 »
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Lobo and Fiverr are saying completely different things. Getty/iStock need to get their house in order.
I notice you got a deflectory answer to your question as to whether you'd get a percentage of $10 or $7.50. Have to say, I'd assumed it would be a percentage of $7.50.

Actually, as an exclusive I'm pretty miffed. Even 20% of $7.50 ($1.50) is far better than  we get for Ess or exclusive files via the subs programme, and subs buyers get far wider rights for 'my' 34c or 75c.

And that's funny because I'm really miffed that iStock pays the lowest royalties around, but is able to afford to pay Fiverrs more than I get. They get $2.50, I get $1.50, and indie photographers get as little as $1.12...less than half what the Fiverr person gets. So you're better off joining Fiverr and spending two seconds sticking an existing image in a Word document than you are spending hours creating said image. Getty has managed to anger both exclusives and indies with this one.

But tickstock thinks it's not a bad deal (though 33% of $10 is an abomination at Adobe Stock, apparently), so it's all good.


« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2015, 15:50 »
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I have some question about Fiverr

Is that site which were selling shutterstock for example 10 images for 10 dollars then gig owner had subscriptions, download and don't use but resell them to buyer?

One more and much more important... can gig owner be anyone?





« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2015, 15:56 »
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I do see a few people offering Shutterstock images but no one offering Getty or iStock images.

Shelma1

« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2015, 16:05 »
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"You can get inspired for stock photos or vectors in shutterstock, istock, getty images or any website."

https://www.fiverr.com/prince2411/provide10-stock-photos-stock-images-or-vectors-of-ur-choice?context=advanced_search&context_type=rating&pos=11&funnel=a620f54a-42bc-4573-a483-e3120808fe4c

So now this person can get paid $2.50 to buy a Getty image for a customer, then resell it! Woohooo! No more need to pay for a subscription himself. Cha-ching!

ShadySue

« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2015, 16:16 »
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Lobo and Fiverr are saying completely different things. Getty/iStock need to get their house in order.
I notice you got a deflectory answer to your question as to whether you'd get a percentage of $10 or $7.50. Have to say, I'd assumed it would be a percentage of $7.50.

Actually, as an exclusive I'm pretty miffed. Even 20% of $7.50 ($1.50) is far better than  we get for Ess or exclusive files via the subs programme, and subs buyers get far wider rights for 'my' 34c or 75c.

And that's funny because I'm really miffed that iStock pays the lowest royalties around, but is able to afford to pay Fiverrs more than I get. They get $2.50, I get $1.50, and indie photographers get as little as $1.12...less than half what the Fiverr person gets. So you're better off joining Fiverr and spending two seconds sticking an existing image in a Word document than you are spending hours creating said image. Getty has managed to anger both exclusives and indies with this one.
Yes, that is particulurly ludicrous.

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But tickstock thinks it's not a bad deal (though 33% of $10 is an abomination at Adobe Stock, apparently), so it's all good.
For sure, the Adobe deal gives the buyers a lot more rights for your $3.33. But Essential files at iStock, which might be unique subjects but LCV, can earn less than $3.33, even for exclusives far less indies (e.g. I had an Ess sale netting me 1.80 in June).
« Last Edit: July 02, 2015, 16:30 by ShadySue »

« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2015, 16:20 »
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But tickstock thinks it's not a bad deal (though 33% of $10 is an abomination at Adobe Stock, apparently), so it's all good.
For sure, the Adobe deal gives the buyers a lot more rights for your $3.33. But Essential files at iStock, which might be unique subjects but LCV, can earn less than $3.33, even for exclusives far less indies.
Oh lord why is that troll bringing me up?  Isn't there anything that can be done so I don't have to see posts by people that I've put on ignore?   Yes the Adobe deal gives a lot more rights and charges $10 maximum for any file, remember that's a maximum possible the other price points are $5 or $3 or subs.  It's a bit disingenuous to compare the highest priced thing Adobe offers to a small partner deal, compare the highest at Getty to the highest at Adobe if you want to make a point.  This is one partner deal that doesn't cover all images or give a RF license.  If this fiverr deal was the only thing Getty did then the point would be valid (kind of the minimum with fiverr is $10 and the max at Adobe is $10) but it's obviously not.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2015, 16:33 by tickstock »

ShadySue

« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2015, 16:32 »
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But tickstock thinks it's not a bad deal (though 33% of $10 is an abomination at Adobe Stock, apparently), so it's all good.
For sure, the Adobe deal gives the buyers a lot more rights for your $3.33. But Essential files at iStock, which might be unique subjects but LCV, can earn less than $3.33, even for exclusives far less indies.
Oh lord why is that troll bringing me up?  Isn't there anything that can be done so I don't have to see posts by people that I've put on ignore?   Yes the Adobe deal gives a lot more rights and charges $10 maximum for any file.  It's a bit disingenuous to compare the highest priced thing Adobe offers to a small partner deal, compare the highest at Getty to the highest at Adobe if you want to make a point.  This is one partner deal that doesn't cover all images or give a RF license.  If this fiverr deal was the only thing Getty did then the point would be valid but it's obviously not.
Still, it hardly seems fair that the gigger gets paid more than the image creator. After all, they're already getting paid for the gig and the image is 'value added'.

Shelma1

« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2015, 16:32 »
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But tickstock thinks it's not a bad deal (though 33% of $10 is an abomination at Adobe Stock, apparently), so it's all good.
For sure, the Adobe deal gives the buyers a lot more rights for your $3.33. But Essential files at iStock, which might be unique subjects but LCV, can earn less than $3.33, even for exclusives far less indies.
Oh lord why is that troll bringing me up?  Isn't there anything that can be done so I don't have to see posts by people that I've put on ignore?   Yes the Adobe deal gives a lot more rights and charges $10 maximum for any file.  It's a bit disingenuous to compare the highest priced thing Adobe offers to a small partner deal, compare the highest at Getty to the highest at Adobe if you want to make a point.  This is one partner deal that doesn't cover all images or give a RF license.  If this fiverr deal was the only thing Getty did then the point would be valid but it's obviously not.

I'm tired of you calling anyone who disagrees with you a troll.This is not a small partner deal. Fiverr is a huge marketplace filled with lots of unscrupulous people who resell images illegally. Getty decided to not only get in bed with them, but to pay them twice what it pays its own contributors. They don't even have the TOS straight, since Fiverr is allowing all sorts of usages Getty prohibits.

You can most certainly avoid seeing my posts...just stop coming here. That'll do it.

« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2015, 16:34 »
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But tickstock thinks it's not a bad deal (though 33% of $10 is an abomination at Adobe Stock, apparently), so it's all good.
For sure, the Adobe deal gives the buyers a lot more rights for your $3.33. But Essential files at iStock, which might be unique subjects but LCV, can earn less than $3.33, even for exclusives far less indies.
Oh lord why is that troll bringing me up?  Isn't there anything that can be done so I don't have to see posts by people that I've put on ignore?   Yes the Adobe deal gives a lot more rights and charges $10 maximum for any file.  It's a bit disingenuous to compare the highest priced thing Adobe offers to a small partner deal, compare the highest at Getty to the highest at Adobe if you want to make a point.  This is one partner deal that doesn't cover all images or give a RF license.  If this fiverr deal was the only thing Getty did then the point would be valid but it's obviously not.
Still, it hardly seems fair that the gigger gets paid more than the image creator. After all, they're already getting paid for the gig and the image is 'value added'.
I won't argue it's fair but in order to get them to push Getty images they need to pay them something.  A more equitable arrangement would clearly be better.

« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2015, 16:42 »
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You can most certainly avoid seeing my posts...just stop coming here. That'll do it.
I knew I'd regret looking at your post, you want to make this discussion about me instead of the topic.  That's trolling and that's why I've put you on ignore.  Harassing me isn't going to get me to leave here no matter how hard you try, this is the last time I'm going to respond to you so another thread won't be derailed.  Back to the topic...

Shelma1

« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2015, 17:42 »
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Now Lobo's referring me to the GI connect tab, which lists 15% royalties for indies and 20% for exclusives. So exclusives ARE included in this deal? And they get less than Fiverrs? And indies get even less?

« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2015, 17:56 »
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I do see a few people offering Shutterstock images but no one offering Getty or iStock images.


Not so

https://www.fiverr.com/nanico/send-you-10-high-quality-stock-photos-illustrations-or-vectors-you-want--10

http://www.microstockgroup.com/image-sleuth/fiverr/msg371928/#msg371928

And all this time later, the gig is still active...

« Reply #62 on: July 02, 2015, 18:04 »
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I do see a few people offering Shutterstock images but no one offering Getty or iStock images.


Not so

https://www.fiverr.com/nanico/send-you-10-high-quality-stock-photos-illustrations-or-vectors-you-want--10

http://www.microstockgroup.com/image-sleuth/fiverr/msg371928/#msg371928

And all this time later, the gig is still active...

I wasn't saying there aren't any, just that I didn't find them by doing a search for "getty" or "istock" but I did find some looking for "shutterstock".   Not that it really matters where they come from, hopefully this deal makes fiverr more diligent about it.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2015, 18:10 by tickstock »

ShadySue

« Reply #63 on: July 02, 2015, 18:06 »
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Now Lobo's referring me to the GI connect tab, which lists 15% royalties for indies and 20% for exclusives. So exclusives ARE included in this deal? And they get less than Fiverrs? And indies get even less?
Some exclusives historically chose to have files in the PP, so these will be included.

Shelma1

« Reply #64 on: July 04, 2015, 08:59 »
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So....since I registered at Fiverr to see their T&Cs, and did one search to see if people were reselling iStock images, I now get daily promotional emails from Fiverr featuring even more gigs reselling SS and iS images. Not only does Fiverr allow it, they promote it.

Great place to form a "partnership" where you pay illegal resellers more than your own contributors.

« Reply #65 on: July 04, 2015, 10:33 »
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Wow, I come back from two weeks off the grid and see this crazy 'deal'.  Of all the companies to bed with, ... Fiverr?  Zing!

I had forgotten about the StockArtistsCollective forum.  You guys remember more about what I do than me sometimes.  It was a contributor discussion group I set up after a ton of people emailed me looking for some way to band together to talk about the issue and maybe do something.  I don't remember doing anything on sitemail, but maybe there was some discussion.  Obviously, none of it went anywhere, but there wasn't anything 'shady' about it that I remember.

« Reply #66 on: July 04, 2015, 10:51 »
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I'm in the same boat as Sean. I step away from MSG for a while and come back to this. Amazing.

Well at least if Fiverr was going to partner up with a stock agency they picked the right one. Match made in heaven, really, the way these two companies operate.

« Reply #67 on: July 04, 2015, 12:21 »
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My one other though was, why does the Fiverr person get anything at all?  They're getting a built in deal for $10 through an easy interface of some sort, and that should be selling point enough.

« Reply #68 on: July 04, 2015, 12:57 »
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My one other though was, why does the Fiverr person get anything at all?  They're getting a built in deal for $10 through an easy interface of some sort, and that should be selling point enough.


Sellers can offer their own extras and if you didn't offer them a cut, they'd have no incentive to allow Getty extras on their own gigs

http://support.fiverr.com/hc/en-us/articles/205249938-Offering-Extra-Services-within-an-Active-Order

ShadySue

« Reply #69 on: July 04, 2015, 13:34 »
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Wow, I come back from two weeks off the grid and see this crazy 'deal'.  Of all the companies to bed with, ... Fiverr?  Zing!

I had forgotten about the StockArtistsCollective forum.  You guys remember more about what I do than me sometimes.  It was a contributor discussion group I set up after a ton of people emailed me looking for some way to band together to talk about the issue and maybe do something.  I don't remember doing anything on sitemail, but maybe there was some discussion.  Obviously, none of it went anywhere, but there wasn't anything 'shady' about it that I remember.

It couldn't have been all sitemail, as I was in it and I was banned from iS SM much before then. I think you mentioned it on msg.

Shelma1

« Reply #70 on: July 04, 2015, 16:05 »
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Ugh....now the Fiverr stock image reselling gigs are showing up in my Fb newsfeed as well. Here's where I was taken when I clicked on one...this guy even has a video! 20 images for $5.

https://www.fiverr.com/felmeeeh/provide-10-ultra-high-definition-images-or-vectors?utm_source=facebook-acquisition&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=ProductFeed_RNCs_General_Adset_NewsFeed_10K

« Reply #71 on: July 04, 2015, 16:48 »
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My one other though was, why does the Fiverr person get anything at all?  They're getting a built in deal for $10 through an easy interface of some sort, and that should be selling point enough.


Sellers can offer their own extras and if you didn't offer them a cut, they'd have no incentive to allow Getty extras on their own gigs

http://support.fiverr.com/hc/en-us/articles/205249938-Offering-Extra-Services-within-an-Active-Order


Like I said, though, I'd think the 'benefit' would be the cheap price ( that they buyer pays! ) and ease of use.  'Course I don't know the ins and outs of Fiverr, so maybe I don't get it.

« Reply #72 on: July 04, 2015, 17:45 »
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Like I said, though, I'd think the 'benefit' would be the cheap price ( that they buyer pays! ) and ease of use.  'Course I don't know the ins and outs of Fiverr, so maybe I don't get it.

I'm not really up on the ins and outs either, but based on what I know of Fiverr and its gig economy, the buyers really couldn't care less about where the photo came from and just want a picture.

Some may care that it's legal versus not (and as you've probably gathered, there's a ton of stuff that Fiverr management should have stopped ages ago; offering stock images for resale).

I think if you were to do a survey, the gig buyers would think $10 is expensive, not cheap. I think Getty's so eager to appear in the forefront of something with buzz that they've done a deal with completely the wrong outfit - a place which is more craigslist than boticca and where the Getty name isn't really worth much, even to those who know who they are.

Noedelhap

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« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2015, 08:35 »
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Since Fiverr is a cesspool of copyright infringement and a platform focused on the devaluation of images, video, animation and graphic design in general, it doesn't surprise me that Getty has decided to do business with Fiverr. Birds of a feather flock together.

The thing that worries me most is that a Fiverr seller gets a bigger commission than the contributor who created the image. What are they thinking?!
« Last Edit: July 08, 2015, 08:37 by Noedelhap »

Semmick Photo

« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2015, 08:42 »
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Not to rain on the anti Fiverr parade ( I am against it as well), but abuse has been reported to other agencies and they did nothing. Getty takes it a step further though.


 

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