Author Topic: Freedom of speech and a hint of intimidation (Read 64169 times)

lisafx · « **Reply #175 on:** February 18, 2011, 16:05 »

Quote from: helix7 on February 18, 2011, 15:59

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 06:41
Facts! We don't need no stinking facts! Mob mentality is the rule of the day here on MSG.

I'll take the mob over the woo-yay-ers over at the istock forums.

Good news! You don't have to choose! The Wooyayers have migrated over here

NancyCWalker · « **Reply #176 on:** February 18, 2011, 16:09 »

Quote from: lisafx on February 18, 2011, 16:05

Quote from: helix7 on February 18, 2011, 15:59
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 06:41
Facts! We don't need no stinking facts! Mob mentality is the rule of the day here on MSG.

I'll take the mob over the woo-yay-ers over at the istock forums.

Good news! You don't have to choose! The Wooyayers have migrated over here

LOL May the combat begin.

Eyedesign · « **Reply #177 on:** February 18, 2011, 18:00 »

Quote from: helix7 on February 18, 2011, 15:59

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 06:41
Facts! We don't need no stinking facts! Mob mentality is the rule of the day here on MSG.

I'll take the mob over the woo-yay-ers over at the istock forums.

I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better?

I love this place you guys are so nutty!

lisafx · « **Reply #178 on:** February 18, 2011, 18:59 »

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 06:41
Facts! We don't need no stinking facts! Mob mentality is the rule of the day here on MSG.

I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

Thomas, if I didn't know you from years on the Istock forums, and was only going by your posts here at MSG, I would swear you were nothing but a troll.

Don't you have anything constructive to add to any of the conversations here? Or are you just here to insult the regulars and anyone you disagree with

I think we all get it by now. You love Istock unconditionally and are angry and insulting toward anyone who doesn't feel the same way. Why bother hanging around here if we are such downers? The Istock forums are available to you and are blessedly free (thanks to numerous bannings) of most of the angriest complainers.

Why not let people who have been silenced at Istock blow off steam here without you poking sticks at them like some playground bully? You are just rubbing salt in the wounds. Surely there is some more productive way for you to get your jollies?

ShadySue · « **Reply #179 on:** February 18, 2011, 20:15 »

Quote from: helix7 on February 18, 2011, 15:59

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 06:41
Facts! We don't need no stinking facts! Mob mentality is the rule of the day here on MSG.

I'll take the mob over the woo-yay-ers over at the istock forums.

To be fair, there's not much woo-waying over there.
Only two threads, really: the people who are dying to fork out c£1000 on the London'lypse (OK those who live near enough or have friends there won't pay that much) and those who didn't have the gumption to investigate Editorial outlets before, and are apparently delighted about this half-baked Editorial Lite confusion.

SNP · « **Reply #180 on:** February 18, 2011, 20:57 »

^ there's plenty of opportunity to continue my usual editorial work in addition to iStock's editorial lite....it's not one or the other. ;-)

gostwyck · « **Reply #181 on:** February 18, 2011, 21:17 »

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00

I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

So not a glimpse into your thoughts about the hefty drop in commission your loyalty to Istock just bought you then? You really have swallowed it hook, line & sinker haven't you?

Eyedesign · « **Reply #182 on:** February 19, 2011, 03:38 »

Quote from: lisafx on February 18, 2011, 18:59

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 06:41
Facts! We don't need no stinking facts! Mob mentality is the rule of the day here on MSG.

I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

Thomas, if I didn't know you from years on the Istock forums, and was only going by your posts here at MSG, I would swear you were nothing but a troll.

Don't you have anything constructive to add to any of the conversations here? Or are you just here to insult the regulars and anyone you disagree with

I think we all get it by now. You love Istock unconditionally and are angry and insulting toward anyone who doesn't feel the same way. Why bother hanging around here if we are such downers? The Istock forums are available to you and are blessedly free (thanks to numerous bannings) of most of the angriest complainers.

Why not let people who have been silenced at Istock blow off steam here without you poking sticks at them like some playground bully? You are just rubbing salt in the wounds. Surely there is some more productive way for you to get your jollies?

Lisa are you kidding me, have you been reading this thread. Istock is trying to take away our freedom of speech! As has been pointed out before in this thread iStock is a private company they get to decide whats posted in the forum on istock. Not you, not me, those are the facts. Now does that make me a Troll or a realest? Oh I guess on this site it means I'm a Troll

No worries Lisa I still love Ya!

lagereek · « **Reply #183 on:** February 19, 2011, 04:11 »

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 19, 2011, 03:38

Quote from: lisafx on February 18, 2011, 18:59
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 06:41
Facts! We don't need no stinking facts! Mob mentality is the rule of the day here on MSG.

I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

Thomas, if I didn't know you from years on the Istock forums, and was only going by your posts here at MSG, I would swear you were nothing but a troll.

Don't you have anything constructive to add to any of the conversations here? Or are you just here to insult the regulars and anyone you disagree with

I think we all get it by now. You love Istock unconditionally and are angry and insulting toward anyone who doesn't feel the same way. Why bother hanging around here if we are such downers? The Istock forums are available to you and are blessedly free (thanks to numerous bannings) of most of the angriest complainers.

Why not let people who have been silenced at Istock blow off steam here without you poking sticks at them like some playground bully? You are just rubbing salt in the wounds. Surely there is some more productive way for you to get your jollies?
Lisa are you kidding me, have you been reading this thread. Istock is trying to take away our freedom of speech! As has been pointed out before in this thread iStock is a private company they get to decide whats posted in the forum on istock. Not you, not me, those are the facts. Now does that make me a Troll or a realest? Oh I guess on this site it means I'm a Troll

No worries Lisa I still love Ya!

Everybody loves Lisa!

Eyedesign · « **Reply #184 on:** February 19, 2011, 04:40 »

Quote from: gostwyck on February 18, 2011, 21:17

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00
I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

So not a glimpse into your thoughts about the hefty drop in commission your loyalty to Istock just bought you then? You really have swallowed it hook, line & sinker haven't you?

Here's a glimpse, the big hefty drop has turned out to be a drop of about 2% because of Vetta/Agency sells. I'll be the first to say it's still much to early to predicted how the rest of the year's income will turn out but, I think with VeTTa/Agency images placed on Getty I should see an increase of 10% - 15% over last year. If that doesn't workout I'll drop them in a hot minute, I'm not marry or in love with them,iStock is just a company I do business with.

I get why non-exclusive are pissed, you guys got the shortest and crappy end of the stick. I feel your pain, but threads like this and some others don't really help. On the site is a thread titled "How to divert traffics away from istock and fotolia" I disagree with the thread but have not posted because I think the thread has good helpful info for non-exclusives. Not like threads like "Buyers bailing on istock", "F5 epic fail"..... on and on. these threads may have started out with good info and facts, but have now turned to into name calling nonsense.

I've said this before I don't care if your exclusive or non-exclusive you need to do what's profitable for your business. I fail to see how any of these emotional I hate iStock threads help to reach that goal.

cathyslife · « **Reply #185 on:** February 19, 2011, 08:27 »

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 19, 2011, 04:40

Quote from: gostwyck on February 18, 2011, 21:17
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00
I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

So not a glimpse into your thoughts about the hefty drop in commission your loyalty to Istock just bought you then? You really have swallowed it hook, line & sinker haven't you?
Here's a glimpse, the big hefty drop has turned out to be a drop of about 2% because of Vetta/Agency sells. I'll be the first to say it's still much to early to predicted how the rest of the year's income will turn out but, I think with VeTTa/Agency images placed on Getty I should see an increase of 10% - 15% over last year. If that doesn't workout I'll drop them in a hot minute, I'm not marry or in love with them,iStock is just a company I do business with.

I get why non-exclusive are pissed, you guys got the shortest and crappy end of the stick. I feel your pain, but threads like this and some others don't really help. On the site is a thread titled "How to divert traffics away from istock and fotolia" I disagree with the thread but have not posted because I think the thread has good helpful info for non-exclusives. Not like threads like "Buyers bailing on istock", "F5 epic fail"..... on and on. these threads may have started out with good info and facts, but have now turned to into name calling nonsense.

I've said this before I don't care if your exclusive or non-exclusive you need to do what's profitable for your business. I fail to see how any of these emotional I hate iStock threads help to reach that goal.

I respect your opinion about how you fail to see how any of the threads help reach a goal. But maybe the threads aren't meant to reach any goal. Maybe they are meant for people to blow off steam about their frustration and disappointment with istock. And yes, they do help. They help US, the people who are talking about it.

I don't get why you, Stacey and some others come here and put us down because we have the freedom of speech here and are commiserating with others. If you don't get it, why bother coming here and commenting? That's what I don't get. I can't stand all the kiss-butt, woo-yaying at the IS forum, so you know what? I just don't go there!

As far as name calling...most of the time, for me, it's entertainment. I get a good laugh. If it's a conversation I'm involved in, I still get a good laugh. I get that people are upset and frustrated and sometimes that translates into acting like children and name-calling. Big deal. I still respect everyone here. If I don't, I use the little ignore button.

Good for you if your business increases at IS! There aren't a lot of people that can say that. Do you ever go to a bar with your buddies and sit around and BS about work, the state of the world, etc.? Well, think of this as not only a source of information, but sometimes the local neighborhood bar, where everyone can talk about whatever they want. And sometimes there are even barroom brawls!

What I get is that some of you folks who ARE making out well at IS are worried that our telling the truth and talking about the negatives might be hurting YOUR income. All the negative threads here aren't helping YOU. And maybe that's why you are here? You have to understand, this forum is NOT controlled by IS. People get to actually say what they want. Even you!

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #186 on:** February 19, 2011, 08:59 »

Quote from: cclapper on February 19, 2011, 08:27

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 19, 2011, 04:40
Quote from: gostwyck on February 18, 2011, 21:17
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00
I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

So not a glimpse into your thoughts about the hefty drop in commission your loyalty to Istock just bought you then? You really have swallowed it hook, line & sinker haven't you?
Here's a glimpse, the big hefty drop has turned out to be a drop of about 2% because of Vetta/Agency sells. I'll be the first to say it's still much to early to predicted how the rest of the year's income will turn out but, I think with VeTTa/Agency images placed on Getty I should see an increase of 10% - 15% over last year. If that doesn't workout I'll drop them in a hot minute, I'm not marry or in love with them,iStock is just a company I do business with.

I get why non-exclusive are pissed, you guys got the shortest and crappy end of the stick. I feel your pain, but threads like this and some others don't really help. On the site is a thread titled "How to divert traffics away from istock and fotolia" I disagree with the thread but have not posted because I think the thread has good helpful info for non-exclusives. Not like threads like "Buyers bailing on istock", "F5 epic fail"..... on and on. these threads may have started out with good info and facts, but have now turned to into name calling nonsense.

I've said this before I don't care if your exclusive or non-exclusive you need to do what's profitable for your business. I fail to see how any of these emotional I hate iStock threads help to reach that goal.

I respect your opinion about how you fail to see how any of the threads help reach a goal. But maybe the threads aren't meant to reach any goal. Maybe they are meant for people to blow off steam about their frustration and disappointment with istock. And yes, they do help. They help US, the people who are talking about it.

I don't get why you, Stacey and some others come here and put us down because we have the freedom of speech here and are commiserating with others. If you don't get it, why bother coming here and commenting? That's what I don't get. I can't stand all the kiss-butt, woo-yaying at the IS forum, so you know what? I just don't go there!

As far as name calling...most of the time, for me, it's entertainment. I get a good laugh. If it's a conversation I'm involved in, I still get a good laugh. I get that people are upset and frustrated and sometimes that translates into acting like children and name-calling. Big deal. I still respect everyone here. If I don't, I use the little ignore button.

Good for you if your business increases at IS! There aren't a lot of people that can say that. Do you ever go to a bar with your buddies and sit around and BS about work, the state of the world, etc.? Well, think of this as not only a source of information, but sometimes the local neighborhood bar, where everyone can talk about whatever they want. And sometimes there are even barroom brawls!

What I get is that some of you folks who ARE making out well at IS are worried that our telling the truth and talking about the negatives might be hurting YOUR income. All the negative threads here aren't helping YOU. And maybe that's why you are here? You have to understand, this forum is NOT controlled by IS. People get to actually say what they want. Even you!

Wooyay to cclapper!! Brilliantly said. Would you mind bending over a little further so I can position myself better to kiss your ass. Omg I don't know what came over me, for a moment there I thought I was in the istock forum.

cathyslife · « **Reply #187 on:** February 19, 2011, 09:35 »

Quote from: Komar on February 19, 2011, 08:59

Quote from: cclapper on February 19, 2011, 08:27
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 19, 2011, 04:40
Quote from: gostwyck on February 18, 2011, 21:17
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00
I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

So not a glimpse into your thoughts about the hefty drop in commission your loyalty to Istock just bought you then? You really have swallowed it hook, line & sinker haven't you?
Here's a glimpse, the big hefty drop has turned out to be a drop of about 2% because of Vetta/Agency sells. I'll be the first to say it's still much to early to predicted how the rest of the year's income will turn out but, I think with VeTTa/Agency images placed on Getty I should see an increase of 10% - 15% over last year. If that doesn't workout I'll drop them in a hot minute, I'm not marry or in love with them,iStock is just a company I do business with.

I get why non-exclusive are pissed, you guys got the shortest and crappy end of the stick. I feel your pain, but threads like this and some others don't really help. On the site is a thread titled "How to divert traffics away from istock and fotolia" I disagree with the thread but have not posted because I think the thread has good helpful info for non-exclusives. Not like threads like "Buyers bailing on istock", "F5 epic fail"..... on and on. these threads may have started out with good info and facts, but have now turned to into name calling nonsense.

I've said this before I don't care if your exclusive or non-exclusive you need to do what's profitable for your business. I fail to see how any of these emotional I hate iStock threads help to reach that goal.

I respect your opinion about how you fail to see how any of the threads help reach a goal. But maybe the threads aren't meant to reach any goal. Maybe they are meant for people to blow off steam about their frustration and disappointment with istock. And yes, they do help. They help US, the people who are talking about it.

I don't get why you, Stacey and some others come here and put us down because we have the freedom of speech here and are commiserating with others. If you don't get it, why bother coming here and commenting? That's what I don't get. I can't stand all the kiss-butt, woo-yaying at the IS forum, so you know what? I just don't go there!

As far as name calling...most of the time, for me, it's entertainment. I get a good laugh. If it's a conversation I'm involved in, I still get a good laugh. I get that people are upset and frustrated and sometimes that translates into acting like children and name-calling. Big deal. I still respect everyone here. If I don't, I use the little ignore button.

Good for you if your business increases at IS! There aren't a lot of people that can say that. Do you ever go to a bar with your buddies and sit around and BS about work, the state of the world, etc.? Well, think of this as not only a source of information, but sometimes the local neighborhood bar, where everyone can talk about whatever they want. And sometimes there are even barroom brawls!

What I get is that some of you folks who ARE making out well at IS are worried that our telling the truth and talking about the negatives might be hurting YOUR income. All the negative threads here aren't helping YOU. And maybe that's why you are here? You have to understand, this forum is NOT controlled by IS. People get to actually say what they want. Even you!

Wooyay to cclapper!! Brilliantly said. Would you mind bending over a little further so I can position myself better to kiss your ass. Omg I don't know what came over me, for a moment there I thought I was in the istock forum.

lagereek · « **Reply #188 on:** February 19, 2011, 12:03 »

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 19, 2011, 04:40

Quote from: gostwyck on February 18, 2011, 21:17
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00
I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

So not a glimpse into your thoughts about the hefty drop in commission your loyalty to Istock just bought you then? You really have swallowed it hook, line & sinker haven't you?
Here's a glimpse, the big hefty drop has turned out to be a drop of about 2% because of Vetta/Agency sells. I'll be the first to say it's still much to early to predicted how the rest of the year's income will turn out but, I think with VeTTa/Agency images placed on Getty I should see an increase of 10% - 15% over last year. If that doesn't workout I'll drop them in a hot minute, I'm not marry or in love with them,iStock is just a company I do business with.

I get why non-exclusive are pissed, you guys got the shortest and crappy end of the stick. I feel your pain, but threads like this and some others don't really help. On the site is a thread titled "How to divert traffics away from istock and fotolia" I disagree with the thread but have not posted because I think the thread has good helpful info for non-exclusives. Not like threads like "Buyers bailing on istock", "F5 epic fail"..... on and on. these threads may have started out with good info and facts, but have now turned to into name calling nonsense.

I've said this before I don't care if your exclusive or non-exclusive you need to do what's profitable for your business. I fail to see how any of these emotional I hate iStock threads help to reach that goal.

Quite right! thats what I said earlier, threads like these are down out damaging, especially when everybody can read them. It doesnt help the slightest, it backfires with bad side-effects.
Im pretty sure nobody cut our rates because of personal feelings for thousands of contributors.
This is the business we have chosen so we simply have to live with it.

SNP · « **Reply #189 on:** February 19, 2011, 12:13 »

^ agreed. Cathy, since you named me even though I'm really not saying much in this thread, freedom of speech is not a license to say anything you want. I've been spoken to in a way here that I can truly say no one in my life has ever spoken to me. it reminds me of the time I worked in a building that also housed a union-represented company. they were on strike and it had nothing to do with our company and when I tried to go to work, two big guys sat on my car, wouldn't let me in the parking lot and whispered sweet nothings to me that included words I wouldn't repeat.

MSG has become a haven for thugs. we're professionals. disagree until the cows come home, that's totally fine. I don't care if you dislike everything I say and vice versa...there's still a line that gets crossed regularly over here. it's not about moderation, it's about professional courtesy. not to mention the conspiracy theories and extrapolations on 'the truth' here go so far beyond ridiculous that you're not even disseminating information anymore.

this isn't a watercooler anymore. if you want it to belong to you, congrats....thanks to the intimidation tactics that happen, mostly unfettered here, it actually does belong to you and those like you. no one else bothers to come here. why do I come here? because there is some information that gets passed around. but that's rarer and rarer these days.

caspixel · « **Reply #190 on:** February 19, 2011, 13:08 »

Quote from: SNP on February 19, 2011, 12:13

why do I come here? because there is some information that gets passed around. but that's rarer and rarer these days.

Except you seem to gravitate towards the threads where you know what you say is going to provoke people. Why is that? Is it deliberate? If you were just looking for information, why would you join in on the threads that are clearly negative towards iStock?

caspixel · « **Reply #191 on:** February 19, 2011, 13:09 »

Quote from: lagereek on February 19, 2011, 12:03

Quite right! thats what I said earlier, threads like these are down out damaging, especially when everybody can read them. It doesnt help the slightest, it backfires with bad side-effects.

How so? I thought the buyers didn't care about things like rate cuts to the contributors? Or forums or things like that?

jbarber873 · « **Reply #192 on:** February 19, 2011, 13:15 »

Quote from: SNP on February 19, 2011, 12:13

^ agreed. Cathy, since you named me even though I'm really not saying much in this thread, freedom of speech is not a license to say anything you want. I've been spoken to in a way here that I can truly say no one in my life has ever spoken to me. it reminds me of the time I worked in a building that also housed a union-represented company. they were on strike and it had nothing to do with our company and when I tried to go to work, two big guys sat on my car, wouldn't let me in the parking lot and whispered sweet nothings to me that included words I wouldn't repeat.

MSG has become a haven for thugs. we're professionals. disagree until the cows come home, that's totally fine. I don't care if you dislike everything I say and vice versa...there's still a line that gets crossed regularly over here. it's not about moderation, it's about professional courtesy. not to mention the conspiracy theories and extrapolations on 'the truth' here go so far beyond ridiculous that you're not even disseminating information anymore.

this isn't a watercooler anymore. if you want it to belong to you, congrats....thanks to the intimidation tactics that happen, mostly unfettered here, it actually does belong to you and those like you. no one else bothers to come here. why do I come here? because there is some information that gets passed around. but that's rarer and rarer these days.

A haven for thugs? I would rather hear a real discussion of the issues than the filtered happy talk at Istock. I disagree with with many of the ideas expressed on this forum, and a lot of people disagree with my point of view. I value everyone's ideas. And I wouldn't try to compare anything that happens on a free and open forum with something that happened in a highly charged strike situation. There is no way to comment on that, except to say that there are always two sides to an issue. If you feel there is no more information to be gotten here, then go back to the Istock forums, where you can plug back into the " you'll think what we tell you to think" mindset. I always read what you post, and sometimes agree, sometimes not. In this case I'm with Cathy- more ideas, not less. As for thugs- the biggest thug I can think of is a guy named Lobo, and he's waiting to beat someone up right now.

cathyslife · « **Reply #193 on:** February 19, 2011, 13:17 »

Quote from: caspixel on February 19, 2011, 13:08

Quote from: SNP on February 19, 2011, 12:13
why do I come here? because there is some information that gets passed around. but that's rarer and rarer these days.
Except you seem to gravitate towards the threads where you know what you say is going to provoke people. Why is that? Is it deliberate? If you were just looking for information, why would you join in on the threads that are clearly negative towards iStock?

Yeah, that's the part I don't get. Well, actually I do get it. I think there has been an impact on sales at istock and rather than blame the party who actually has been the cause of the problems (istock), it's easier to call us names and tell us to stop. There definitely is censorship on istock, and you all are correct...it's their forum, they get to do it. Not so here.

Right now on this forum, I counted 30 threads at the top of the list, 3 of which are specifically about IS. Not exactly thug-worthy.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #194 on:** February 19, 2011, 13:23 »

Quote from: lagereek on February 19, 2011, 12:03

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 19, 2011, 04:40
Quote from: gostwyck on February 18, 2011, 21:17
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00
I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

So not a glimpse into your thoughts about the hefty drop in commission your loyalty to Istock just bought you then? You really have swallowed it hook, line & sinker haven't you?
Here's a glimpse, the big hefty drop has turned out to be a drop of about 2% because of Vetta/Agency sells. I'll be the first to say it's still much to early to predicted how the rest of the year's income will turn out but, I think with VeTTa/Agency images placed on Getty I should see an increase of 10% - 15% over last year. If that doesn't workout I'll drop them in a hot minute, I'm not marry or in love with them,iStock is just a company I do business with.

I get why non-exclusive are pissed, you guys got the shortest and crappy end of the stick. I feel your pain, but threads like this and some others don't really help. On the site is a thread titled "How to divert traffics away from istock and fotolia" I disagree with the thread but have not posted because I think the thread has good helpful info for non-exclusives. Not like threads like "Buyers bailing on istock", "F5 epic fail"..... on and on. these threads may have started out with good info and facts, but have now turned to into name calling nonsense.

I've said this before I don't care if your exclusive or non-exclusive you need to do what's profitable for your business. I fail to see how any of these emotional I hate iStock threads help to reach that goal.

Quite right! thats what I said earlier, threads like these are down out damaging, especially when everybody can read them. It doesnt help the slightest, it backfires with bad side-effects.
Im pretty sure nobody cut our rates because of personal feelings for thousands of contributors.
This is the business we have chosen so we simply have to live with it.

It's not the threads which are damaging, it's istock. Threads like these are part of the repercussion of their actions. Have you seen how many negative threads on msg about istock there are, more than any other agency and they're not going to stop that's for sure. Can u imagine anyone discovering microstock and new too msg also, coming across so many negative threads about one agency, anyone in their right mind would stay away, which is good for istock exclusives, just not for buyers.

The damage done lies unequivocally with istock and they have to live with the consequences of their actions as we all do. Negative threads are as a result of negative actions. If the actions in the future change for the positive, by simple reasoning there will be more positive threads. For anyone who wants to hear istock's side of any negative talk about them, they have very generously provided an International Toll-Free number: 00 800 6664 6664. I can't imagine where they get the money for this, I would have thought they would have cut back on this to help maintain sustainability. It really is unfair that istock is so underrepresented in a good light on msg. Oh that's right unlike other agencies, istock choose not to represent themselves here. Maybe they know they still have enough stooges here to do that for them.

caspixel · « **Reply #195 on:** February 19, 2011, 13:29 »

Quote from: cclapper on February 19, 2011, 13:17

There definitely is censorship on istock, and you all are correct...it's their forum, they get to do it. Not so here.

Seriously. It doesn't get much more censored than banning people. LOL

Danicek · « **Reply #196 on:** February 19, 2011, 13:40 »

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 19, 2011, 04:40

Quote from: gostwyck on February 18, 2011, 21:17
Quote from: Eyedesign on February 18, 2011, 18:00
I S T O C K B A Dddddddd R E S T O F T H E W O R L D G O O Dddddddddd.... is that better? I love this place you guys are so nutty!

So not a glimpse into your thoughts about the hefty drop in commission your loyalty to Istock just bought you then? You really have swallowed it hook, line & sinker haven't you?
Here's a glimpse, the big hefty drop has turned out to be a drop of about 2% because of Vetta/Agency sells....

Congrats to your 'relative' success to stay at almost the previous level... Your 2% drop could have been nice increase, but you are obviously free to be thankful for staying at the same level.

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #197 on:** February 19, 2011, 14:08 »

Quote from: SNP on February 19, 2011, 12:13

MSG has become a haven for thugs. we're professionals. disagree until the cows come home, that's totally fine. I don't care if you dislike everything I say and vice versa...there's still a line that gets crossed regularly over here. it's not about moderation, it's about professional courtesy. not to mention the conspiracy theories and extrapolations on 'the truth' here go so far beyond ridiculous that you're not even disseminating information anymore.

this isn't a watercooler anymore. if you want it to belong to you, congrats....thanks to the intimidation tactics that happen, mostly unfettered here, it actually does belong to you and those like you. no one else bothers to come here. why do I come here? because there is some information that gets passed around. but that's rarer and rarer these days.

One could argue there is as much, if not more, intimidation over there as there is here. The reason this thread got started is because of the intimidation over there. Imagine a society where they (people in charge) censor people's comments and have a say over the contents of all media. You can probably think of a few places this still happens in. Now think of a society where you can write in a scathing letter and it gets published in an editorial section of a paper. Even if that letter goes about calling your boss or neighbours a fascist pig it would still not be the same form of intimidation. You see there is difference. Those who agree with and follow the tenets of the ruling party tend not to see things the same way.

gostwyck · « **Reply #198 on:** February 19, 2011, 14:16 »

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 19, 2011, 04:40

Here's a glimpse, the big hefty drop has turned out to be a drop of about 2% because of Vetta/Agency sells.

I think it's wonderful that you are so grateful to your agency for cutting your commissions by less than you expected them to. Fantastic! How many pints of Istock Kool-Aid do you need to drink per day to maintain that attitude?

Be careful though __ if they only cut your commissions by another 2% this year then there's a danger you might actually explode with happiness and gratitude.

jen · « **Reply #199 on:** February 19, 2011, 14:28 »

Quote from: gostwyck on February 19, 2011, 14:16

Quote from: Eyedesign on February 19, 2011, 04:40
Here's a glimpse, the big hefty drop has turned out to be a drop of about 2% because of Vetta/Agency sells.
I think it's wonderful that you are so grateful to your agency for cutting your commissions by less than you expected them to. Fantastic! How many pints of Istock Kool-Aid do you need to drink per day to maintain that attitude?

Be careful though __ if they only cut your commissions by another 2% this year then there's a danger you might actually explode with happiness and gratitude.

It's good of you to pick out the stuff you want to mock out of context and ignore the overall sentiment, "I think with VeTTa/Agency images placed on Getty I should see an increase of 10% - 15% over last year. If that doesn't workout I'll drop them in a hot minute, I'm not marry or in love with them,iStock is just a company I do business with."

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