Author Topic: Getty - 500px partnership (Read 31630 times)

Zero Talent · « **on:** May 31, 2018, 11:12 »

Just got this message:

Hi xxx,

As one of our most valued contributors, we wanted to let you know about some major enhancements and changes coming to our stock photography marketplace. These changes will help maximize your potential earnings by positioning your content at the right price and with the right distribution.

Starting July 1st, 2018, we’re offering our community an exclusive opportunity to work with our newest global distribution partner, Getty Images.

How does this benefit you?

The greatest benefit for contributors will be the increase in people/buyers looking at your photos. Getty Images is the largest photography marketplace in the world, as well as a leading distributor of award-winning imagery. Serving approximately 1M customers in almost every country in the world, Getty Images is the go-to choice for professionals to discover and purchase creative content.

Post-partnership, most of our photographers will have access to:

Larger audience and increased reach
Improved exposure, through sophisticated AI-powered keywording and belonging to the 500px collection on Getty Images
Opportunity to increase earnings
Upcoming features to further increase your photo sales (to be released this year)
What does this mean for 500px Marketplace?

As a result of this change, we are closing 500px “Marketplace” on June 30, 2018. If you’re a contributing photographer who has not opted out of distribution, your images may be selected for inclusion on Getty Images, as well as on our long-term distribution partner, Visual China Group (VCG), which acquired 500px back in February and markets photos in China.

What does this mean for my contract and photos?

The terms of the existing Contributor Agreement and your royalty rate remain unchanged, as does the process for submitting your images for licensing via 500px:use your Photo Manager to upload images, choose representation rights (exclusive vs. non-exclusive), and add appropriate keywords and releases before saving changes.

Please feel free to contact us with any questions, or check out our FAQ here.

Thanks,

The 500px Team

It looks like Getty will use 500px the same way they used Flickr years ago.

changingsky · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2018, 12:32 »

another "exciting news"

stockastic · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2018, 13:11 »

Nothing to see here, folks. Just keep walking and let the emergency crews do their work.

dpimborough · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2018, 13:26 »

"Improved exposure, through sophisticated AI-powered keywording "

Almost choked when I read that

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2018, 14:11 »

I had pulled out of 500px marketplace when the last "exciting news" of them dropping the royalty rates was announced, so in one sense this doesn't affect me.

However Getty is a partner with EyeEm where I also have images and I've had a modest number of sales through that channel. I can only imagine 500px images diluting the sales of EyeEm images via Getty. Shame we can't get the Shutterstock Endless Vector Variations Collection up on Getty while they're looking for more supply

~~I wonder if this means that KK Thompson is moving on to bring "exciting news" to some other enterprise...~~ Update. I checked Kelly Thompson's LinkedIn profile and the FAQ on the 500px site this afternoon. Kelly moved on from 500px Marketplace a year ago and from 500px last month. Other than being on the board of Showpass I don't see anything new.

Visual China Group bought 100% of 500px recently

https://support.500px.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005097533

mindstorm · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2018, 15:03 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on May 31, 2018, 14:11

I had pulled out of 500px marketplace when the last "exciting news" of them dropping the royalty rates was announced, so in one sense this doesn't affect me.

Me too. I didn't totally drop them, in the sense that I only removed every image from their marketplace. I had never had a single sale (only a few dozen images listed there), so didn't see it worth uploading 1000's of photos or tracking them.

I am curious about this Getty connection though. I dropped iStock years ago (that is, stopped uploading any new photos to them, leaving them with only a couple hundred of my earliest images) because of their absurdly low royalties.

Does Getty use the same royalty/payout as iStock? I always thought they were the premium side of the corporate fence, more choosy about what they accept, charging more to their customers, and paying more to the photogs.

Is that true, or has that also gone by the wayside over the years?

ShadySue · « **Reply #6 on:** May 31, 2018, 15:44 »

Quote from: mindstorm on May 31, 2018, 15:03

Does Getty use the same royalty/payout as iStock? I always thought they were the premium side of the corporate fence, more choosy about what they accept, charging more to their customers, and paying more to the photogs.

Is that true, or has that also gone by the wayside over the years?

I believe some of the Getty house togs get 30%; many big names left there years ago.
Via iS, exclusives get 20% at Getty (no matter what their iS rate, unless some have negotiated a 'special deal', I wouldn't know) and exclusives get 15%.
Interesting 500pxers are going to keep their current 500px rate ~~(what is that?)~~ which according to the 500px faq is 60% exclusive/30% non-exclusive.
WOWSERS!!!!!

As for high sales values, sometimes yes; but the tiny, tiny figures often complained about at iS are actually premium access sales via Getty, meaning buyers pay a premium then have access to all Getty and iS files for a vastly reduced price. IME there are lots more of the tiny sales than the big ones, and they seem to be migrating more and more of their customers into premium access.

stockastic · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2018, 16:40 »

Get your tinfoil hats ready for more announcements about "sophisticated AI-powered keywording".

PZF · « **Reply #8 on:** June 01, 2018, 01:35 »

Yep, another site where any creature or plant with a Latin name is unsearchable - not to mention foreign place names which also fail to register in the controlled vocabulary.
And if they ain't there then no AI on earth will find them.
Jolly dee.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 01, 2018, 02:07 »

As Eyem at least "partner" with Getty its not really an "exclusive" opportunity

ShadySue · « **Reply #10 on:** June 01, 2018, 03:56 »

Quote from: PZF on June 01, 2018, 01:35

Yep, another site where any creature or plant with a Latin name is unsearchable - not to mention foreign place names which also fail to register in the controlled vocabulary.
And if they ain't there then no AI on earth will find them.
Jolly dee.

You can't be talking about Getty? Scientific names are searchable there (if they are in the CV, which is addable via request).
The downside being that as the CV maps the vernacular name to the scientific name, people who spam have the species listed by scientific names also, which tends not to happen on other sites, as only a small percentage of spammers bother to spam the scientific name.
Meaning if you search by the scientific name on most sites, you get a reasonably clean result apart from a few genuine mis-IDs and extremely dedicated spammers, but on Getty, especially iS, the result is as bad as searching on the vernacular.

rushay · « **Reply #11 on:** June 01, 2018, 05:04 »

I wonder will the images go through to Getty's site like with EyeEm, we know how long that process takes. 500PX just havent been attractive to me i just stopped loading.

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on May 31, 2018, 14:11

I had pulled out of 500px marketplace when the last "exciting news" of them dropping the royalty rates was announced, so in one sense this doesn't affect me.

However Getty is a partner with EyeEm where I also have images and I've had a modest number of sales through that channel. I can only imagine 500px images diluting the sales of EyeEm images via Getty. Shame we can't get the Shutterstock Endless Vector Variations Collection up on Getty while they're looking for more supply

~~I wonder if this means that KK Thompson is moving on to bring "exciting news" to some other enterprise...~~ Update. I checked Kelly Thompson's LinkedIn profile and the FAQ on the 500px site this afternoon. Kelly moved on from 500px Marketplace a year ago and from 500px last month. Other than being on the board of Showpass I don't see anything new.

Visual China Group bought 100% of 500px recently

https://support.500px.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005097533

ShadySue · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2018, 05:25 »

Quote from: rushay on June 01, 2018, 05:04

I wonder will the images go through to Getty's site like with EyeEm, we know how long that process takes.

Not to mention the promise that all iS exclusive editorials would be mirrored onto Getty. Took years, went up, came down, then some went up, some didn't and it seemed to be totally random.

I see it's not all 500px images which are going to Getty, but "your images may be selected for inclusion on Getty Images,"

Still, it's the retention of 60% / 30% royalties which intrigues me! Wonder what existing Getty suppliers will make of that?!

Jogga0 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2018, 07:08 »

will be amazed if we get 30% of the actual sale price, more like 30% of the royalty paid from Getty to 500px I would imagine?

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2018, 07:15 »

Quote from: Jogga0 on June 01, 2018, 07:08

will be amazed if we get 30% of the actual sale price, more like 30% of the royalty paid from Getty to 500px I would imagine?

Absolutely. Nobody is going to be getting 30% of the sales. It will be 30% of 500px’s negotiated cut, so 30% of 25% (or whatever they negotiate), so maybe %8 of the sales price? Can you cut $.02 into that small a piece? Lol.

Jogga0 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2018, 07:32 »

In which case the "exciting" "major enhancement" is a 4 fold reduction of royalty

PZF · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2018, 09:26 »

Quote from: ShadySue on June 01, 2018, 03:56

Quote from: PZF on June 01, 2018, 01:35
Yep, another site where any creature or plant with a Latin name is unsearchable - not to mention foreign place names which also fail to register in the controlled vocabulary.
And if they ain't there then no AI on earth will find them.
Jolly dee.
You can't be talking about Getty? Scientific names are searchable there (if they are in the CV, which is addable via request).
The downside being that as the CV maps the vernacular name to the scientific name, people who spam have the species listed by scientific names also, which tends not to happen on other sites, as only a small percentage of spammers bother to spam the scientific name.
Meaning if you search by the scientific name on most sites, you get a reasonably clean result apart from a few genuine mis-IDs and extremely dedicated spammers, but on Getty, especially iS, the result is as bad as searching on the vernacular.

Few non US scientific names feature, or places. You can request (though I don't think there's an easy way to do this now) but they don't necessarily get added or become searchable. And in upload there is not the option to add them. Effectively lost in space.

ShadySue · « **Reply #17 on:** June 01, 2018, 09:57 »

Quote from: PZF on June 01, 2018, 09:26

Quote from: ShadySue on June 01, 2018, 03:56
Quote from: PZF on June 01, 2018, 01:35
Yep, another site where any creature or plant with a Latin name is unsearchable - not to mention foreign place names which also fail to register in the controlled vocabulary.
And if they ain't there then no AI on earth will find them.
Jolly dee.
You can't be talking about Getty? Scientific names are searchable there (if they are in the CV, which is addable via request).
The downside being that as the CV maps the vernacular name to the scientific name, people who spam have the species listed by scientific names also, which tends not to happen on other sites, as only a small percentage of spammers bother to spam the scientific name.
Meaning if you search by the scientific name on most sites, you get a reasonably clean result apart from a few genuine mis-IDs and extremely dedicated spammers, but on Getty, especially iS, the result is as bad as searching on the vernacular.

Few non US scientific names feature, or places. You can request (though I don't think there's an easy way to do this now) but they don't necessarily get added or become searchable. And in upload there is not the option to add them. Effectively lost in space.

I looked up several UK and African bird/mammal species which I could think of off the top of my head before I posted, and they were all findable on Getty. I don't upload directly to Getty so I don't know how to request keywords there, only via iS, where it's doable, but in fact if the species is in the CV, the scientific name should be also - but they only update species names with scientific changes if requested to do so, so if a name has changed and no-one has requested it, it won't be under its new name.

ShadySue · « **Reply #18 on:** June 01, 2018, 10:30 »

Quote from: Jogga0 on June 01, 2018, 07:08

will be amazed if we get 30% of the actual sale price, more like 30% of the royalty paid from Getty to 500px I would imagine?

No surprise there: not exactly lyin', but careful with the truth.
Same ol', same ol'.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #19 on:** June 01, 2018, 11:57 »

Quote from: ShadySue on June 01, 2018, 10:30

Quote from: Jogga0 on June 01, 2018, 07:08
will be amazed if we get 30% of the actual sale price, more like 30% of the royalty paid from Getty to 500px I would imagine?
No surprise there: not exactly lyin', but careful with the truth.
Same ol', same ol'.

All my 500px photos are already with iStock.

It will be interesting to see how much better the RPD of the 500px collection will be, compared with the crappy iStock RPD, and how much lower than what I get today directly from 500px (similar to Alamy, if not better)

Clair Voyant · « **Reply #20 on:** June 01, 2018, 14:19 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 01, 2018, 07:15

Quote from: Jogga0 on June 01, 2018, 07:08
will be amazed if we get 30% of the actual sale price, more like 30% of the royalty paid from Getty to 500px I would imagine?

Absolutely. Nobody is going to be getting 30% of the sales. It will be 30% of 500px’s negotiated cut, so 30% of 25% (or whatever they negotiate), so maybe %8 of the sales price? Can you cut $.02 into that small a piece? Lol.

Yes you can cut $.02 into that small a piece... the parasites at Getty Images do it all the time it is called $.00

trek · « **Reply #21 on:** June 01, 2018, 14:29 »

Visual China Group... they did an amazing job when they took over Veer in 2016. What could possibly go wrong?

PZF · « **Reply #22 on:** June 05, 2018, 02:23 »

Hmmm...can't go much lower. I've basically abandoned Marketplace but some images remain. Last year, 3 sales in total for:
$10.20
$1.72
$0.45.

PZF · « **Reply #23 on:** June 26, 2018, 12:45 »

But on the other hand....now there is no more Marketplace, where do I get to see any sales (!!!) and how would I go about getting them if ever they mounted up?

Zero Talent · « **Reply #24 on:** August 09, 2018, 21:44 »

I just noticed new sales coming under the new Licensing deal.
Mid 2 digit range. Not bad.

Steveball · « **Reply #25 on:** August 10, 2018, 03:44 »

So the sales appear in the same place as before? Did we have to do anything for the old/new transition? Haven't been very active on 500 for a while.

PZF · « **Reply #26 on:** August 10, 2018, 04:28 »

yeah...the site is as straightforward as ever! Not!

Click on your face/port image. Then settings. Then licencing. Then sales history. Obviously, every button is in a different place on the screen!!!!!

A thought though: submitting to IS is a pain at best what with CV and all that. Why not just send everything via 500px? Or am I missing something.....

I guess 500px are more picky......but still......

andy_arden · « **Reply #27 on:** August 10, 2018, 06:26 »

i would submit to 500px but i have found a method to save any photo i want at full res, also there are a lot of downloaders on google for it. so no thanks 500px

Zero Talent · « **Reply #28 on:** August 12, 2018, 12:10 »

So, sales came in before the announcement:

Congratulations! Your photos were selected by Getty Images and are now available for licensing on gettyimages.com.

See your photos on Getty Images

Why are my images being selected by Getty Images?
As of July 1, we have shut down the 500px Marketplace and will be working directly with two distribution partners - Getty Images and VCG - to license our contributors’ work globally. As a 500px member who has contributed to licensing, your images may be made available for licensing through our partners. Distribution partners resell 500px content on their own websites and then monthly or quarterly, report their sales to 500px.

How am I compensated if my image is sold through Getty Images?
Getty Images reports their sales to 500px on a monthly or quarterly basis. 500px then processes Distribution partner royalties through our payment system and the sales appear in the photographer’s Licensing Sales History.

derby · « **Reply #29 on:** August 12, 2018, 13:51 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 12, 2018, 12:10

So, sales came in before the announcement:

Congratulations! Your photos were selected by Getty Images and are now available for licensing on gettyimages.com.

Same message usually received from eyeem... Selected doesnt mean sold

Zero Talent · « **Reply #30 on:** August 12, 2018, 14:49 »

Quote from: derby on August 12, 2018, 13:51

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 12, 2018, 12:10
So, sales came in before the announcement:

Congratulations! Your photos were selected by Getty Images and are now available for licensing on gettyimages.com.

Same message usually received from eyeem... Selected doesnt mean sold

See my earlier post: "sold" happened before this "selected" announcement.

In other words, it's the other way around:
"Sold" meant "selected".

PedroToledo · « **Reply #31 on:** August 13, 2018, 11:07 »

In order to be selected for Getty, is it worthy to upgrade to awesome/pro?
Thank you

Dumc · « **Reply #32 on:** August 13, 2018, 13:37 »

I'm neither and my images were selected. 122 of them.

shiyali · « **Reply #33 on:** August 13, 2018, 17:29 »

Quote from: Dumc on August 13, 2018, 13:37

I'm neither and my images were selected. 122 of them.

How can you tell which ones are selected?

amabu · « **Reply #34 on:** August 15, 2018, 03:06 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 12, 2018, 12:10

So, sales came in before the announcement:

Congratulations! Your photos were selected by Getty Images and are now available for licensing on gettyimages.com.

See your photos on Getty Images

Why are my images being selected by Getty Images?
As of July 1, we have shut down the 500px Marketplace and will be working directly with two distribution partners - Getty Images and VCG - to license our contributors’ work globally. As a 500px member who has contributed to licensing, your images may be made available for licensing through our partners. Distribution partners resell 500px content on their own websites and then monthly or quarterly, report their sales to 500px.

How am I compensated if my image is sold through Getty Images?
Getty Images reports their sales to 500px on a monthly or quarterly basis. 500px then processes Distribution partner royalties through our payment system and the sales appear in the photographer’s Licensing Sales History.

Did others get the email as well? I didn´t. Although 84 of my images are already online on Getty.

PedroToledo · « **Reply #35 on:** August 15, 2018, 03:28 »

Quote from: amabu on August 15, 2018, 03:06

Did others get the email as well? I didn´t. Although 84 of my images are already online on Getty.

Hi, I didn´t recieve the email either. How do you know that the photos are alredy online on Getty?
If I go to Manage Photos, under licensing I see some in prime collection, others in core collection and others declined, but I can´t find any link to my images on Getty

Thanks!

amabu · « **Reply #36 on:** August 15, 2018, 04:14 »

Quote from: olafvik on August 15, 2018, 03:28

Quote from: amabu on August 15, 2018, 03:06
Did others get the email as well? I didn´t. Although 84 of my images are already online on Getty.

Hi, I didn´t recieve the email either. How do you know that the photos are alredy online on Getty?
If I go to Manage Photos, under licensing I see some in prime collection, others in core collection and others declined, but I can´t find any link to my images on Getty

Thanks!

Some images have a "buy a license" button (not visible under manage photos!). If you click on it you get redirected to Getty.

PedroToledo · « **Reply #37 on:** August 15, 2018, 04:34 »

Quote from: amabu on August 15, 2018, 04:14

Quote from: olafvik on August 15, 2018, 03:28
Quote from: amabu on August 15, 2018, 03:06
Did others get the email as well? I didn´t. Although 84 of my images are already online on Getty.

Hi, I didn´t recieve the email either. How do you know that the photos are alredy online on Getty?
If I go to Manage Photos, under licensing I see some in prime collection, others in core collection and others declined, but I can´t find any link to my images on Getty

Thanks!

Some images have a "buy a license" button (not visible under manage photos!). If you click on it you get redirected to Getty.

Thank you!! I didn´t notice

PZF · « **Reply #38 on:** August 15, 2018, 06:49 »

Some images have a "buy a license" button (not visible under manage photos!). If you click on it you get redirected to Getty.
[/quote]

Where can I see this "buy a licence" button please? I have looked in all the obvious places, but this being 500px it just isn't obvious!

I know at least one image is on Getty as I have sales on it. Surely the (very small number) of ones they accept now will go automatically across - other wise what does 'accepted' mean?

PedroToledo · « **Reply #39 on:** August 15, 2018, 07:27 »

Quote from: PZF on August 15, 2018, 06:49

Where can I see this "buy a licence" button please? I have looked in all the obvious places, but this being 500px it just isn't obvious!

I know at least one image is on Getty as I have sales on it. Surely the (very small number) of ones they accept now will go automatically across - other wise what does 'accepted' mean?

On the right side of the image, below the number of likes.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #40 on:** August 15, 2018, 08:33 »

Interresting that the same photos are available for peanuts on their regular subscriptions, but also for much more through their new 500px collection ($425-$499).

If Getty thinks it works for them, this should also tell many contributors that there is nothing special about restricting good photos to macro only.
Buyers are ready to pay a premium for browsing through a quality collection, instead of weeding through a huge pile of crappy similars on most micros.

PZF · « **Reply #41 on:** August 15, 2018, 08:47 »

Quote from: olafvik on August 15, 2018, 07:27

Quote from: PZF on August 15, 2018, 06:49

Where can I see this "buy a licence" button please? I have looked in all the obvious places, but this being 500px it just isn't obvious!

I know at least one image is on Getty as I have sales on it. Surely the (very small number) of ones they accept now will go automatically across - other wise what does 'accepted' mean?

On the right side of the image, below the number of likes.

I'm really just not seeing this!!! In Manage photos, Profile or somewhere else? Sorry if being dim.....
Maybe none have been accepted - but some sales were reported?
I imagine that if they are 'accepted' this must be into Getty as Marketplace is no more...
I'm being reminded why I abandoned 500px before.......

Zero Talent · « **Reply #42 on:** August 15, 2018, 08:56 »

Quote from: PZF on August 15, 2018, 08:47

Quote from: olafvik on August 15, 2018, 07:27
Quote from: PZF on August 15, 2018, 06:49

Where can I see this "buy a licence" button please? I have looked in all the obvious places, but this being 500px it just isn't obvious!

I know at least one image is on Getty as I have sales on it. Surely the (very small number) of ones they accept now will go automatically across - other wise what does 'accepted' mean?

On the right side of the image, below the number of likes.
I'm really just not seeing this!!! In Manage photos, Profile or somewhere else? Sorry if being dim.....
Maybe none have been accepted - but some sales were reported?
I imagine that if they are 'accepted' this must be into Getty as Marketplace is no more...
I'm being reminded why I abandoned 500px before.......

See below. My most recent uploads have not been reviewed yet. It's not clear how the review process will happen, post transition.
There is still a large backlog, from what I can see. It is likely that delays were also caused by this transition.
Maybe yours were not selected or not reviewed yet.

PZF · « **Reply #43 on:** August 15, 2018, 09:02 »

Thanks for that but I don't see this on ANY of my images, accepted or not, sold or not.
I am soooooo confused!

What does Accepted mean if not And On Sale? Somewhere.......

Zero Talent · « **Reply #44 on:** August 15, 2018, 09:12 »

Quote from: PZF on August 15, 2018, 09:02

Thanks for that but I don't see this on ANY of my images, accepted or not, sold or not.
I am soooooo confused!

What does Accepted mean if not And On Sale? Somewhere.......

You can also click on your icon, top right.
Then select manage photos.
Then select Licensing on the upper left.
You can also order them by collection to filter the ones selected for licensing (prime and core collections)
I have not checked them all, but those visible on this list seem also to have that specific licensing button shown above.

PZF · « **Reply #45 on:** August 15, 2018, 09:27 »

Thanks. Yes, I can see some accepted and , it seems, available for licence. But nowhere do I see a button should anybody wish to purchase. I'll go and annoy 500px. Thanks for your help!

PS The ones which are (maybe) available are only core collection so unlikely to make me rich in any case.......!

Zero Talent · « **Reply #46 on:** August 15, 2018, 09:40 »

Quote from: PZF on August 15, 2018, 09:27

Thanks. Yes, I can see some accepted and , it seems, available for licence. But nowhere do I see a button should anybody wish to purchase. I'll go and annoy 500px. Thanks for your help!
PS The ones which are (maybe) available are only core collection so unlikely to make me rich in any case.......!

I expect many more sales to come through Getty, than through 500px.
The email some of us received contains a link to our photos on Getty.

Try this: https://www.gettyimages.ca/search/photographer?autocorrect=none&collections=fpx,fpl,pxp,pxu,fup&family=creative&photographer=xxxxxxx.

Where xxxxxxx is your 500px user name (replace any space with%20)

PZF · « **Reply #47 on:** August 15, 2018, 10:01 »

No match.
All very odd.
Beyond my understanding.
Will annoy 500px.
But thanks!

Dumc · « **Reply #48 on:** August 15, 2018, 10:28 »

Quote from: shiyali on August 13, 2018, 17:29

Quote from: Dumc on August 13, 2018, 13:37
I'm neither and my images were selected. 122 of them.

How can you tell which ones are selected?

I got email with link to my images on getty.

Steveball · « **Reply #49 on:** August 15, 2018, 15:50 »

No email but quite a few on Getty, thanks for starting this thread as I wouldn't have known!

MysteryShot · « **Reply #50 on:** August 15, 2018, 16:43 »

Im not on 500px, but is this the same like with EyeEm?

How long you wait until your images appear on Getty?

If i upload to 500px is this exclusive?

PedroToledo · « **Reply #51 on:** August 21, 2018, 00:41 »

I just made a sale today via distributor!!!

... wait,

what? $0,65!!! $:-\$

shiyali · « **Reply #52 on:** August 21, 2018, 01:58 »

Quote from: olafvik on August 21, 2018, 00:41

I just made a sale today via distributor!!! ... wait, what? $0,65!!! $:-\$

Only 29.35$ to go until payout! Sigh!

Steveball · « **Reply #53 on:** August 21, 2018, 02:18 »

So they're on Getty for £50 - £375 and the cut was £0.65! What license?

PedroToledo · « **Reply #54 on:** August 21, 2018, 03:03 »

Quote from: Steveball on August 21, 2018, 02:18

So they're on Getty for £50 - £375 and the cut was £0.65! What license?

Doesn´t specify the type of license, don´t know if any subscription or so, but I just know that some months ago I sold photos on 500px for $14, after for $1,5 and now $0,65.

I have noticed that Getty is cutting royalties, same thing is happening to me in Eyeem via Getty, the price per photo is falling down

Steveball · « **Reply #55 on:** August 21, 2018, 06:14 »

Disappointing to hear the 500px stuff is being sold for so little. I thought it was a special deal with Getty for decent prices but that would be good news for contributors and that's not allowed!

ShadySue · « **Reply #56 on:** August 21, 2018, 06:26 »

Quote from: Steveball on August 21, 2018, 06:14

Disappointing to hear the 500px stuff is being sold for so little. I thought it was a special deal with Getty for decent prices but that would be good news for contributors and that's not allowed!

Getty's Premium Access deal promises access to all assets, so no special deals.
OTOH, Getty break a promise, like that couldn't happen!

cobalt · « **Reply #57 on:** August 21, 2018, 06:28 »

Macrostock often has sales that are much lower than in microstock. You get sales for 2 cents, for 10 cents etc...then you get a few higher ones for 10 dollars or 60 dollars, but if I look at my 2200 files on various macro places, in terms of volume, the majority is low sales.

The license fee is completly unpredictable.

But your files are in the shop window for 600 dollars and it makes people happy and dream about high license royalties...

Zero Talent · « **Reply #58 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:04 »

Quote from: Steveball on August 21, 2018, 02:18

So they're on Getty for £50 - £375 and the cut was £0.65! What license?

How old are these sales?
I also received a bunch of older distributor sales, made prior to the Getty announcement.
I expect Getty sales to be marked as "500px licensing".

PedroToledo · « **Reply #59 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:13 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2018, 10:04

Quote from: Steveball on August 21, 2018, 02:18
So they're on Getty for £50 - £375 and the cut was £0.65! What license?

How old are these sales?
I also received a bunch of older distributor sales, made prior to the Getty announcement.
I expect Getty sales to be marked as "500px licensing".

The $0,65 sale is from April, but has come today and is marked as "Our distributor"

Zero Talent · « **Reply #60 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:27 »

Quote from: olafvik on August 21, 2018, 10:13

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2018, 10:04
Quote from: Steveball on August 21, 2018, 02:18
So they're on Getty for £50 - £375 and the cut was £0.65! What license?

How old are these sales?
I also received a bunch of older distributor sales, made prior to the Getty announcement.
I expect Getty sales to be marked as "500px licensing".

The $0,65 sale is from April, but has come today and is marked as "Our distributor"

Yeah, mine are from April as well. These are not from Getty.

dpimborough · « **Reply #61 on:** August 21, 2018, 14:17 »

Every time I hear the word Getty I get a little sick in my mouth

tpack · « **Reply #62 on:** August 21, 2018, 14:19 »

If your photos are good enough to be accepted by Getty when submitted by Chinese 500px then your photos are good enough to be accepted by Getty when submitted directly by you. Why split your earnings with 500px?

ShadySue · « **Reply #63 on:** August 21, 2018, 14:23 »

Quote from: tpack on August 21, 2018, 14:19

If your photos are good enough to be accepted by Getty when submitted by Chinese 500px then your photos are good enough to be accepted by Getty when submitted directly by you. Why split your earnings (20%) with 500px?

It doesn't often work that way. It's difficult to get in as a Getty 'house' photographer these days: they tell most applicants to go to iStock.
No reason not to try, just manage your expectations.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #64 on:** August 21, 2018, 14:34 »

Quote from: tpack on August 21, 2018, 14:19

If your photos are good enough to be accepted by Getty when submitted by Chinese 500px then your photos are good enough to be accepted by Getty when submitted directly by you. Why split your earnings with 500px?

I already mentioned above, most of my 500px photos are already with iStock.

From what I see, the RPD I got from 500px after the Getty deal (so far) is far better than what I regularly get from iStock for the same stuff.

The real question is: will the revenue be better than what I already got straight from 500px? Possibly, since I expect more exposure and more volume through Getty. Time will tell.

One more thing: working straight with Getty requires exclusivity. That's not the case with 500px

mindstorm · « **Reply #65 on:** August 21, 2018, 14:47 »

Quote from: tpack on August 21, 2018, 14:19

If your photos are good enough to be accepted by Getty when submitted by Chinese 500px then your photos are good enough to be accepted by Getty when submitted directly by you. Why split your earnings with 500px?

Because when you try to submit directly to Getty you are told that they only accept exclusive images. Sell on another agency, and they refuse your image.

Apparently with 500px, they have decided to wink at that requirement, since not many (if any) were exclusive there.

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #66 on:** August 23, 2018, 08:35 »

its another pay cut, you'll get 50% of whatever getty pays 500px. if they dont increase the price, you are looking at a 50% pay cut, maybe even more.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #67 on:** August 23, 2018, 13:57 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on August 23, 2018, 08:35

its another pay cut, you'll get 50% of whatever getty pays 500px. if they dont increase the price, you are looking at a 50% pay cut, maybe even more.

If I'll continue to be paid like they just did, who cares? It's dozens of times better than what I get from IS for the same stuff, maybe even thousands of times more that those shameful 2cents/dl. Remember those?

What I got is similar with what I get from Alamy. Are you saying Alamy is no good?

K.D. Granger · « **Reply #68 on:** August 24, 2018, 15:35 »

Thanks for the info, been looking at 500px

Rage · « **Reply #69 on:** August 24, 2018, 23:06 »

So what's the plan, submit the images going to microstock sites to 500px as well and hope they sell on getty? It seems like a good idea now that contributing to IS is only for the foolhardy

ShadySue · « **Reply #70 on:** August 25, 2018, 03:00 »

Quote from: izzikiorage on August 24, 2018, 23:06

So what's the plan, submit the images going to microstock sites to 500px as well and hope they sell on getty? It seems like a good idea now that contributing to IS is only for the foolhardy

That's a total non-sequitur, as the lowest prices come via Getty Connect and Getty Premium Access, and you'd only get a portion of the sales price via 500px. Of course, you might win the lottery and get a portion of a higher sales price.

Rage · « **Reply #71 on:** August 25, 2018, 05:06 »

Quote from: ShadySue on August 25, 2018, 03:00

Quote from: izzikiorage on August 24, 2018, 23:06
So what's the plan, submit the images going to microstock sites to 500px as well and hope they sell on getty? It seems like a good idea now that contributing to IS is only for the foolhardy
That's a total non-sequitur, as the lowest prices come via Getty Connect and Getty Premium Access, and you'd only get a portion of the sales price via 500px. Of course, you might win the lottery and get a portion of a higher sales price.

So that makes 500px almost not worth the effort as most of their sales will be driven through getty?

PZF · « **Reply #72 on:** August 25, 2018, 07:52 »

The communication from 500px and Getty on this has been just dire.....
Confusion reigns.....
Sigh....

obj owl · « **Reply #73 on:** August 25, 2018, 10:34 »

Quote from: izzikiorage on August 25, 2018, 05:06

Quote from: ShadySue on August 25, 2018, 03:00
Quote from: izzikiorage on August 24, 2018, 23:06
So what's the plan, submit the images going to microstock sites to 500px as well and hope they sell on getty? It seems like a good idea now that contributing to IS is only for the foolhardy
That's a total non-sequitur, as the lowest prices come via Getty Connect and Getty Premium Access, and you'd only get a portion of the sales price via 500px. Of course, you might win the lottery and get a portion of a higher sales price.
So that makes 500px almost not worth the effort as most of their sales will be driven through getty?

OP "As a result of this change, we are closing 500px “Marketplace” on June 30, 2018. If you’re a contributing photographer who has not opted out of distribution, your images may be selected for inclusion on Getty Images, as well as on our long-term distribution partner, Visual China Group (VCG), which acquired 500px back in February and markets photos in China."

PZF · « **Reply #74 on:** September 03, 2018, 02:18 »

Is it just me or are they only choosing to 'licence' landscapes these days?

Zero Talent · « **Reply #75 on:** September 08, 2018, 12:47 »

Just got a nice bunch of end of August sales, marked as "500px Licensing", ranging from $3 to $32. All these must be coming through Getty.

PZF · « **Reply #76 on:** September 09, 2018, 11:02 »

My mistake. Sorry.

Delphine · « **Reply #77 on:** September 26, 2018, 08:03 »

Hi,
I'm new here but I read you since many years now.

I have a few hundreds of images selected by Getty from my 500px portfolio (they sent me an email with the link to my portfolio at Getty).
Unfortunately, on Getty my images have no descriptions and the keywords (that are both in the metadatas and in 500px) have been replaced by terrible keywords : only very generic keywords, no places, countries or city names. I have a close up of an eye that does not have the keyword 'eye'.
It seems to be the same for all images from their "500px collection". I even found a horse keyworded "goat".

I contacted 500px 2 weeks ago about this but I have no answer....

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #78 on:** September 26, 2018, 09:09 »

Quote from: Delphine on September 26, 2018, 08:03

Hi,
I'm new here but I read you since many years now.

I have a few hundreds of images selected by Getty from my 500px portfolio (they sent me an email with the link to my portfolio at Getty).
Unfortunately, on Getty my images have no descriptions and the keywords (that are both in the metadatas and in 500px) have been replaced by terrible keywords : only very generic keywords, no places, countries or city names. I have a close up of an eye that does not have the keyword 'eye'.
It seems to be the same for all images from their "500px collection". I even found a horse keyworded "goat".

I contacted 500px 2 weeks ago about this but I have no answer....

AI or English as a second language, offshore keywording?

Before someone jumps on that, I have to admire many people on the forum, who are not born English speakers, for doing a wonderful job of handling a strange language. Some people who were born and raised here do worse.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #79 on:** September 26, 2018, 09:25 »

Quote from: Delphine on September 26, 2018, 08:03

...Unfortunately, on Getty my images have no descriptions and the keywords (that are both in the metadatas and in 500px) have been replaced by terrible keywords : only very generic keywords, no places, countries or city names. I have a close up of an eye that does not have the keyword 'eye'.
It seems to be the same for all images from their "500px collection". I even found a horse keyworded "goat".

I closed my 500px account a while back, but I have work on EyeEm which has a similar deal with Getty for distribution. It's the same with respect to keywords. Getty removed all the useful ones that identified the location. I can understand adding some of their CV baggage to existing keywords, but cannot fathom why they remove descriptions and keywords that will help an image sell (and in many cases, the removed keywords are in the CV, so it isn't an issue with a missing term.

Files do occasionally sell in spite of Getty's butchery, but I haven't bothered contacting anyone about it because my prior experiences with Getty suggest I should save my breath to cool my porridge

Delphine · « **Reply #80 on:** September 26, 2018, 09:42 »

I don't understand either. I guess they don't realize that their keywording is that bad.
I have mainly travel images. They are unfindable

ShadySue · « **Reply #81 on:** September 26, 2018, 10:19 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on September 26, 2018, 09:09

Quote from: Delphine on September 26, 2018, 08:03
Hi,
I'm new here but I read you since many years now.

I have a few hundreds of images selected by Getty from my 500px portfolio (they sent me an email with the link to my portfolio at Getty).
Unfortunately, on Getty my images have no descriptions and the keywords (that are both in the metadatas and in 500px) have been replaced by terrible keywords : only very generic keywords, no places, countries or city names. I have a close up of an eye that does not have the keyword 'eye'.
It seems to be the same for all images from their "500px collection". I even found a horse keyworded "goat".

I contacted 500px 2 weeks ago about this but I have no answer....

AI or English as a second language, offshore keywording?

They did it before (or was that captions?) and they were just ridiculous. Poor pollyannas ignoring Getty's tech record opted in and then couldn't change back for at least six months. That was generally believed to be outsourced to ESL workers, but I it might have well have been AI.

Delphine · « **Reply #82 on:** September 26, 2018, 15:48 »

Just received an answer from 500px :

'The images that are submitted to Getty Images have some AI (Artificial Intelligence) keywords applied to them, in an attempt to improve the overall discoverability of the collection. At this time we don't have an easy way to modify the keywords once they're submitted, but we're working on a solution for this with Getty Images.'

'Our experts have ensured that the generated keywords get your photos in front of as many potential Buyers as possible.'

ShadySue · « **Reply #83 on:** September 26, 2018, 16:12 »

Quote from: Delphine on September 26, 2018, 15:48

Just received an answer from 500px :

'The images that are submitted to Getty Images have some AI (Artificial Intelligence) keywords applied to them, in an attempt to improve the overall discoverability of the collection. At this time we don't have an easy way to modify the keywords once they're submitted, but we're working on a solution for this with Getty Images.'

'Our experts have ensured that the generated keywords get your photos in front of as many potential Buyers as possible.'

Mwahahaha
Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

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