Author Topic: Google giving photos away free for commercial use and iStock agrees (Read 259314 times)

markrhiggins · « **Reply #1125 on:** January 27, 2013, 00:22 »

http://farrellbrian.com/2013/01/16/why-you-shouldnt-use-google-drive-stock-images/#comment-273

Stock images are bought by a single user through the stock agency. Each new user new royalty paid. Google is not a single user. It is distributor and allows the use of these images on all its software. Many users do not understand this is the limit of what it can be used for and that they can be sued if they use the image in other ways.

The deal with google is of questionable legality. It is like the agent of a composer agreeing to download of all music to users of say itunes for both commercial and private purposes (without the composers consent).. Owners of the copyright have not agreed for the images to be used in this manner. The agreed and contracted model has each new user paying royalty. It also has the image watermarked until purchased. Using the image in ways that are show the models in a negative manner could also see the user sued. The model releases terms have not been shown to google users. They could be sued by the models and photographers for inappropriate usage.

Pixart · « **Reply #1126 on:** January 27, 2013, 11:56 »

Not sure if this has been posted, but fstoppers has written a story. They have quite a following - and over 120k Facebook fans.

http://fstoppers.com/when-getty-google-team-up-you-lose

ShadySue · « **Reply #1127 on:** January 27, 2013, 12:26 »

Quote from: Pixart on January 27, 2013, 11:56

Not sure if this has been posted, but fstoppers has written a story. They have quite a following - and over 120k Facebook fans.

http://fstoppers.com/when-getty-google-team-up-you-lose

'Interesting' comments.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #1128 on:** January 27, 2013, 12:59 »

Quote from: Pixart on January 27, 2013, 11:56

Not sure if this has been posted, but fstoppers has written a story. They have quite a following - and over 120k Facebook fans.

http://fstoppers.com/when-getty-google-team-up-you-lose

It's in the thread with all the press

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #1129 on:** January 27, 2013, 14:40 »

Wow, those commenters are both clueless and defeatist.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #1130 on:** January 28, 2013, 11:34 »

In case some missed it in the iStock forums, Paul Cowan made a wonderful post about where were are in this current mess.

Pixart · « **Reply #1131 on:** January 28, 2013, 11:42 »

Yes, GREAT POST. Thanks Joanne.

Are our blogs moderated on Istock? This has likely come up, but can't we all post a blog on our IS profile?

fotografer · « **Reply #1132 on:** January 28, 2013, 11:57 »

Quote from: jsnover on January 28, 2013, 11:34

In case some missed it in the iStock forums, Paul Cowan made a wonderful post about where were are in this current mess.

Posted By Starkblast:

@PaulCowan,

Good post! Says it all.

Posted By JoeGough:

^^^ Take a bow Mr Cowan. That's an outstanding and comprehensive summary of the position that many contributors here find themselves in.

And Lobo's reply.
I'm in his fan club too.

For everyone wondering why I left this train wreck up please do take the time to read through Pauls post.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #1133 on:** January 28, 2013, 11:58 »

Quote from: Pixart on January 28, 2013, 11:42

Yes, GREAT POST. Thanks Joanne.

Are our blogs moderated on Istock? This has likely come up, but can't we all post a blog on our IS profile?

Not really moderated, but I believe they can delete text there if they don't like it. I know from personal experience that they can delete incoming and outgoing site mail if they wish to recall "intemperate" mail they sent so I don't see why the blogs would be exempt.

I did a picture change on my user_view page figuring that'd be harder for them to locate - a text search can't find it

fotografer · « **Reply #1134 on:** January 28, 2013, 12:09 »

Quote from: jsnover on January 28, 2013, 11:58

Quote from: Pixart on January 28, 2013, 11:42
Yes, GREAT POST. Thanks Joanne.

Are our blogs moderated on Istock? This has likely come up, but can't we all post a blog on our IS profile?

Not really moderated, but I believe they can delete text there if they don't like it. I know from personal experience that they can delete incoming and outgoing site mail if they wish to recall "intemperate" mail they sent so I don't see why the blogs would be exempt.

I did a picture change on my user_view page figuring that'd be harder for them to locate - a text search can't find it

I just clicked on the istock link at the bottom of the search to see what you had used as an avatar and for some reason the link didn't work. I then went to istock and put in jsnover as a search term and got up a whole load of images of cocaine sniffing that aren't your images. Tried it again and the same happened!!! I wonder why that happened unless jsnover is a foreign word for cocaine. Very strange.

dhanford · « **Reply #1135 on:** January 28, 2013, 12:14 »

http://www.istockphoto.com/jsnover
Looks fine to me. Love the protest pic!

+ Oh my goodness, iS is chronically slow today! So slow, it's even slow for iS!

lewis larkin · « **Reply #1136 on:** January 28, 2013, 13:01 »

>>> I then went to istock and put in jsnover as a search term and got up a whole load of images of cocaine sniffing that aren't your images.

The search defaults to "did you mean 'sniffer' " ...

ShadySue · « **Reply #1137 on:** January 28, 2013, 13:18 »

Quote from: jsnover on January 28, 2013, 11:34

In case some missed it in the iStock forums, Paul Cowan made a wonderful post about where were are in this current mess.

Excellent post, I read it on the train this a.m. and was nervous that Lobo would lock it, but he hasn't, and has even commended the post.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #1138 on:** January 28, 2013, 14:23 »

Quote from: fotografer on January 28, 2013, 12:09

[I just clicked on the istock link at the bottom of the search to see what you had used as an avatar and for some reason the link didn't work. I then went to istock and put in jsnover as a search term and got up a whole load of images of cocaine sniffing that aren't your images. Tried it again and the same happened!!! I wonder why that happened unless jsnover is a foreign word for cocaine. Very strange.

If you don't accept the user name suggestion that shows in the drop box, my member name appears to be a misspelling of several possibles. If you click on the suggestion in the search box versus just typing the name and hitting return you do get the portfolio. I'm sure that's a feature even if it looks like a bug

EmberMike · « **Reply #1139 on:** January 28, 2013, 15:51 »

Paul does indeed sum this all up well, in terms that I think we all have felt lately but aren't as articulate as Paul is in our efforts to say so.

This is definitely an issue of "What happens next," where today's beating from Getty might sting but might also not be the worst beating we are in for. The dilemma comes down to whether we ride this out in hopes that things don't get any worse, or bail in hopes that we are removing ourselves from a bad situation that does, in fact, get much worse.

I'm of a similar opinion as Paul. I've stopped uploading, and I also don't know if I will resume. And I only started uploading again recently after another hiatus from istock for other reasons. I'm stuck in the position of depending on the income I get from istock, however small it is these days, and feeling like a bit of a fool for taking one beating after another from istock/getty and still hanging around.

I'm also in the unfortunate position of being a terrible bookkeeper and way underpaying my quarterly taxes last year, and looking at a hefty bill due in April, so I'm not in any position to be able to turn away any income right now. My personal situation definitely hurts my ability to make a rational decision about all of this. I suspect a lot of people may be in a similar boat. Even if your istock income is down, it's still income, and it's hard for a lot of folks to turn away any kind of income. I really can't imagine how I'd explain to my wife that I left istock because of a possible future issue, while right now the money we get from istock is very necessary.

cathyslife · « **Reply #1140 on:** January 28, 2013, 16:11 »

Quote from: EmberMike on January 28, 2013, 15:51

Paul does indeed sum this all up well, in terms that I think we all have felt lately but aren't as articulate as Paul is in our efforts to say so.

This is definitely an issue of "What happens next," where today's beating from Getty might sting but might also not be the worst beating we are in for. The dilemma comes down to whether we ride this out in hopes that things don't get any worse, or bail in hopes that we are removing ourselves from a bad situation that does, in fact, get much worse.

I'm of a similar opinion as Paul. I've stopped uploading, and I also don't know if I will resume. And I only started uploading again recently after another hiatus from istock for other reasons. I'm stuck in the position of depending on the income I get from istock, however small it is these days, and feeling like a bit of a fool for taking one beating after another from istock/getty and still hanging around.

I'm also in the unfortunate position of being a terrible bookkeeper and way underpaying my quarterly taxes last year, and looking at a hefty bill due in April, so I'm not in any position to be able to turn away any income right now. My personal situation definitely hurts my ability to make a rational decision about all of this. I suspect a lot of people may be in a similar boat. Even if your istock income is down, it's still income, and it's hard for a lot of folks to turn away any kind of income. I really can't imagine how I'd explain to my wife that I left istock because of a possible future issue, while right now the money we get from istock is very necessary.

Getty knows this...hence the abuse continues. It isn't E-V-E-R going to get better, it will only get worse, as they try to wring every last cent and every last drop of sweat from contributors.

cypher · « **Reply #1141 on:** January 28, 2013, 19:54 »

Does anyone know how many images are currently available in Google Drive? I was watching the numbers continue to go up on the kga.me site until it was shut down. The last figure I saw was slightly over 12,000 images. Does anyone have current numbers?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #1142 on:** January 28, 2013, 20:31 »

Quote from: cypher on January 28, 2013, 19:54

Does anyone know how many images are currently available in Google Drive? I was watching the numbers continue to go up on the kga.me site until it was shut down. The last figure I saw was slightly over 12,000 images. Does anyone have current numbers?

I don't. I PM'd Kenny over the weekend to ask if he would make a text list or tell me how I could and host it so we could see that. I haven't heard back from him though. Does anyone have another way - other than PM here - of reaching Kenny?

Or does anyone know how to make a list of filename, with a couple of EXIF extractions (photographer and copyright name) from the Google directory hosting the images?

Kenny · « **Reply #1143 on:** January 28, 2013, 21:15 »

Thanks to everyone who offered to pay that $20 DBP processing fee. I have it covered though.

For those requesting a text list of the images. I have put together 3 Google Drive Spreadsheets that contain all 12,003 Stock Images by Google Drive.

Google allows you to freely download these Google Drive documents by clicking the File tab -> Download as -> (Microsoft Excel|OpenDocument format|PDF Document|Comma Separated Values|Plain Text|Web page).

Doc #1 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao96JyYdzyPLdHVnREZSQUVTOVpWYVJVUW8yb0I5SXc
Doc #2 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao96JyYdzyPLdFJBOExRMjdVSHo0RUM2N2F6NkVuTUE
Doc #3 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao96JyYdzyPLdE9ick9rTDFrUWpEUm5INDZ0SGU3UlE

I'm sure Google Drive has many more stock images by now but I do not have the time or energy to keep this list updated. I am completly drained and need a vacation!

You can view all Google Drive stock images by adding an astrisk (*) in the search box and clicking the search icon. Google also allows you to search by the original Getty image numbers. They do not display results if you search for the copyrighters name.

w7lwi · « **Reply #1144 on:** January 28, 2013, 21:16 »

I see where Google is being sued in the UK over violations of the Safari privacy rules. I wonder if the same law firm would care to piggyback a suit about stripping metadata from images (it's supposedly illegal to do that in the UK).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/01/28/google-sued-in-uk-over-safari-tracking/1871489/

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #1145 on:** January 28, 2013, 21:27 »

Quote from: Kenny on January 28, 2013, 21:15

You can view all Google Drive stock images by adding an astrisk (*) in the search box and clicking the search icon. Google also allows you to search by the original Getty image numbers. They do not display results if you search for the copyrighters name.

It's a pain though. You have to scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll...

WebSubstance · « **Reply #1146 on:** January 28, 2013, 22:24 »

Quote from: Kenny on January 28, 2013, 21:15

You can view all Google Drive stock images by adding an astrisk (*) in the search box and clicking the search icon. Google also allows you to search by the original Getty image numbers. They do not display results if you search for the copyrighters name.

Thanks for your hard work Kenny.
I found that one of my best seller is there :-(

RacePhoto · « **Reply #1147 on:** January 29, 2013, 08:14 »

Quote from: lewis larkin on January 28, 2013, 13:01

>>> I then went to istock and put in jsnover as a search term and got up a whole load of images of cocaine sniffing that aren't your images.

The search defaults to "did you mean 'sniffer' " ...

Yes, CV working for you to make better searches? Not Really...

Nice page JS

Blammo · « **Reply #1148 on:** January 29, 2013, 13:19 »

Thx Kenny your hard work is truly appreciated.

Snufkin · « **Reply #1149 on:** January 29, 2013, 13:34 »

Quote from: Blammo on January 29, 2013, 13:19

Thx Kenny your hard work is truly appreciated.

+1

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