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gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2014, 07:58 »
+20
where is tick stock to say something reassuring/sycophantic.

I swear anytime I post anything about iS it's: I can't believe the soap opera continues. How do they keep outdoing themselves?


Ron

« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2014, 08:17 »
0
Its madness I tell ya, madness.

Phoebe: "It's madness I tell you!"

« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2014, 08:41 »
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This space is reserved for Tickstock the usual suspects to explain why this is a good thing that could only happen at IS  ;D

*SCNR*

« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2014, 08:59 »
+22
Once again I call for an Istock accounting ledger page for each contributor. The Account page must be a true ledger of customer payment, iStock deductions, contributor portion. Do this for each transaction in the contributors account. Istock has the data to do the accounting - just make it transparent to each contributor. It's the only way for us to gain any confidence in the Istock accounting system now.

« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2014, 09:10 »
+4
Since they don't mention the PP from November (December), I assume this probably means they paid us too much. I KNEW this was too good to be true! Unbelievable.

It's always, ALWAYS the same bogus retard problems at iStock.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2014, 09:16 »
+3
Once again I call for an Istock accounting ledger page for each contributor. The Account page must be a true ledger of customer payment, iStock deductions, contributor portion. Do this for each transaction in the contributors account. Istock has the data to do the accounting - just make it transparent to each contributor. It's the only way for us to gain any confidence in the Istock accounting system now.
How could you be 100% confident that this would be either honest or accurate?
It looks like their actual accounting was wrong in this instance (maybe PP contributors got 100% of sales?). Why they didn't notice this in their accounting dept or why no-one got suspicious when loads of people were reporting anomalous RPDs here and there beggars belief.

« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2014, 09:16 »
+7
I have full confidence that if they have made a mistake and overpaid contributors they will consider the overpayment a goodwill gesture and leave it be.  ;)

Ron

« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2014, 09:22 »
+1
It cant be long now before we have istock chasers instead of ambulance chasers

« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2014, 09:25 »
+4
I'd be wiling to bet that they will "fix" this and claw back funds before they they fix the RC levels that were not grandfathered at last year's levels.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2014, 09:25 »
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I have full confidence that if they have made a mistake and overpaid contributors they will consider the overpayment a goodwill gesture and leave it be.  ;)
LOL!
That would be like the UK Tax Office, which a couple of months after I'd paid for 2011-12 sent me a (paper) letter saying they had accidentally undercharged me (20-something pence, less than the cost of a stamp). As it was such a small amount, I could add it onto the next year's payment.
TBH, I was astonished they'd waste time, paper and a stamp on this. If I'd made a mistake like that, I'd have popped in the money myself.
But no, the next tax bill had the pence amount added, and c10 late fee.
B*stards.
(I just had to pay. The letter came in saying if I didn't pay within ten days I'd be in court - the morning I was going on holiday for two weeks, and I didn't have time to look for the 'underpaid' letter. If it hadn't been for that unfortunate timing, I'd have held out and only paid the small underpay.)

Goofy

« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2014, 09:51 »
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Just when I thought they (iStock) couldn't squeeze my balls any tighter!  :-[



ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2014, 09:59 »
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It's certainly going to be interesting to see how they 'spin' this, if they decide to claw it all back.

« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2014, 11:26 »
+4
My september was pretty normal in PP sales. Only October was way better than other months.

When you say October, do you mean September or November ?

Who wants to tell me why I get 3 - votes for making an obviously light hearted quip about the uncertainty we all experience when discussing the accounting - as evidenced any time that there is a monthly sales thread ? i.e. that October can mean September or that October can also mean the sales which end up being reported in November.

If you gave me a minus have the courage to tell me why.

« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2014, 11:30 »
+2
Once again I call for an Istock accounting ledger page for each contributor. The Account page must be a true ledger of customer payment, iStock deductions, contributor portion. Do this for each transaction in the contributors account. Istock has the data to do the accounting - just make it transparent to each contributor. It's the only way for us to gain any confidence in the Istock accounting system now.
How could you be 100% confident that this would be either honest or accurate?
It looks like their actual accounting was wrong in this instance (maybe PP contributors got 100% of sales?). Why they didn't notice this in their accounting dept or why no-one got suspicious when loads of people were reporting anomalous RPDs here and there beggars belief.
The contributors would at least be able to check the percentages of the Istock take on each sale and see that the calculations were done correctly. Of course then Istock would have to have a complete descriptive page of how the sales of each category and each contributor level would work. Hence more knowledge by the contributors means more questions have to be answered by Contributor Relations (albeit for the good of all).

What contributors still wouldn't know is if sales "accidentally" got dropped and didn't make the ledger page entry. So, no, this is never going to be 100% confidence but any step is a good step. Massive dropped sales could be caught by a bunch of us banding together and buying some of each others photos and reporting each buy to the seller. If is didn't show in the files sales list (and didn't show in the proposed ledger page) then Istock dropped sales could be detected.

EmberMike

« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2014, 11:50 »
+14

Should have known it was too good to be true, or that things might actually be looking up at istock. No matter how long I'm in this game it seems I'm still often too optimistic and too willing to hold on to the ridiculous idea that iStock could become a decent company again.

Shelma1

  • stockcoalition.org
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2014, 12:10 »
+6
I went back over the past year and took screenshots of all my DLS and earnings. I see the average amount I earn per DL bounces around from month to month, sometimes almost double in one month what I average in another. October is off the chart.

1. It's sad and disgusting that I feel I need to take screenshots of my earnings and sit and figure out anomalies on my own, because the large corporation that represents me and has a staff of IT "experts" and professional accountants is incapable of doing so.

2. I trust the IT experts and accountants at iStock as far as I can throw them.

EmberMike

« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2014, 12:18 »
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So it's a safe bet that this is an issue of getting paid way too much per DL for at least October, right? Looking at my stats I sometimes have more $$ than DLs some days. No way I should be getting $1+ per PP sale.

I'm going to assume I'll be losing about 75% of my PP earnings from that month. Just a guess, but I won't be surprised if/when it happens.


Shelma1

  • stockcoalition.org
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2014, 12:24 »
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I honestly don't know what to think. I really don't know if October was big because they made a mistake, or October was big because that's what they actually should be paying us and they under-report all the other months.

And it's sad I feel that way, because it shows the level of distrust I have for iStock.

« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2014, 12:37 »
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I do not understand one thing.

In every organized country in the world, with law and statutes and constitution there is something, excuse my English, called "work inspection".

These people checks if everything is regular, or by the law or contract with contributors. Everyone can call them if questioning some company doesn't work like it is stated by the contracts with worker or contributors.

I really doubt that Canada doesn't have these kind of inspections and that it isn't possible to check sales on sites like photos.com or thinkstock.com.

Is any contributor here from Canada and what can he/she say about it?

excuse my English, please.




Ron

« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2014, 12:58 »
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I do not understand one thing.

In every organized country in the world, with law and statutes and constitution there is something, excuse my English, called "work inspection".

These people checks if everything is regular, or by the law or contract with contributors. Everyone can call them if questioning some company doesn't work like it is stated by the contracts with worker or contributors.

I really doubt that Canada doesn't have these kind of inspections and that it isn't possible to check sales on sites like photos.com or thinkstock.com.

Is any contributor here from Canada and what can he/she say about it?

excuse my English, please.

I was wondering the same

+1

EDIT: Two votes down for agreeing with someone.  :o
« Last Edit: January 05, 2014, 10:13 by Ron »

« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2014, 13:11 »
+4

2. I trust the IT experts and accountants at iStock as far as I can throw them.

Knowing IS, the IT Expert (singular) and the accountant are one and the same.

There are no angels in this business - but none can match IS's talent for buttering you up one minute and pulling the rug out from under you the next. Charlatans.


« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2014, 13:13 »
+2


I was wondering the same

+1

and I'm not talking only about IStock, I'm talking about every agency in every other country.

Even smallest companies are under laws of the country they headquarters are and if something isn't like it is written in the contract or some sales are not payed or even shown it's called a fraud or deception or misappropriation and it is punishable by the law.

Are we photographers/illustrators some kind of sheep? It's not a question to you or anyone else.






ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2014, 13:32 »
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Even smallest companies are under laws of the country they headquarters are and if something isn't like it is written in the contract or some sales are not payed or even shown it's called a fraud or deception or misappropriation and it is punishable by the law.

Of course, it's in the contract.
Exclusive ASA (and no doubt the Indie ASA also)
5b
In all cases, payment of royalties to the Supplier will be net of: (i) applicable taxes or other withholdings required by applicable law; (ii) bad debts or other uncollectible sums; (iii); (iii) cancellations or refund of a license where the original sale has been reported to you, including but not limited to where due to a fraudulent transaction; (iv) overpayment of royalties in a prior period; (v) legal and other reasonable fees incurred in enforcing this Agreement or the agreements contemplated herein; and (vii) any amounts owing by the Supplier to iStockphoto under this Agreement or otherwise.

Though that would seem (IANAL) to limit them to taking the money off future payments, not to require repayments of cash already given.
But their previous practice has been to claw back out of any money not taken, before they put you into the red.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2014, 13:33 »
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At last a good new from iStock!

Cheers!

(The return of Shame on iStock)

« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2014, 17:41 »
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Im so glad Im out of that swamphole since D-day.
The business conduct and ethics is on par with a Nigerian scam.


 

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