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traveler1116

« on: September 08, 2010, 16:51 »
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With the new changes resulting in a pay cut for almost everyone what will you be doing?  
« Last Edit: September 08, 2010, 17:03 by traveler1116 »


ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2010, 18:08 »
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With the new changes resulting in a pay cut for almost everyone what will you be doing?  
Continuing with my policy of focussing more on editorial shots to send to Alamy.
Also, when swithering where to put an image, it'll more likely to go to Alamy now.
Sadly, I have to admit that that's a triumph of hope over experience, though last week I got more from one sale at Alamy than I did all week at iS. First time, though. And with three payments pending, I haven't actually had any money yet.
I'll keep a watching brief and make other decisions further along the line.

« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 18:16 »
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When I was non-exclusive, Alamy made more money for me than IS. However, Alamy is too lame in collecting money and too lenient in granting refunds so I don't get paid until a few months after reaching the payouts, if there was no refunds.

In comparison, I get regular payments from IS (I have similar size of ports with IS and Alamy). Therefore I do not consider Alamy as a regular source of income. I am as upset as everyone else about IS now, so don't get me wrong. It's just naive to think Alamy as a quick alternative if you need a regular source of income.

With the new changes resulting in a pay cut for almost everyone what will you be doing?  
Continuing with my policy of focussing more on editorial shots to send to Alamy.
Also, when swithering where to put an image, it'll more likely to go to Alamy now.
Sadly, I have to admit that that's a triumph of hope over experience, though last week I got more from one sale at Alamy than I did all week at iS. First time, though. And with three payments pending, I haven't actually had any money yet.
I'll keep a watching brief and make other decisions further along the line.

helix7

« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2010, 19:39 »
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As a seller, I'm expecting to make less from istock next year, but I'm hoping to offset the losses with some growth in new sites like StockFresh.

As a buyer, I am no longer buying any images at istock, and will likely buy from StockFresh and occasionally Dreamstime.

« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2010, 19:49 »
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deleted the worst 10% of my port, will take out another 20% and leave the rest to sit.

I am stopping uploading, 17% is too low for me. Much like crestock they want the best and pay the worst. The time I was spending on istock will go into panthermedia and a few others that I have been neglecting and I will put more time into some macro collections that I have put off.

« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2010, 20:14 »
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I won't upload anything more, and I'll start deleting files a few at a time.  It'll be nonperformers first, and eventually the stuff that sells.  But my reason for disabling will leave no one in any doubt of my anger.

« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2010, 21:44 »
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Plan to refocus and create better, high-sales potential images for Veer, DT, SS, 123, and BigStock. Will also explore other agencies mentioned here. will stay away from IStock for the time being. (Made my lightboxes there private.) Will add blogs, lightboxes, and other valuable side content on other sites. Will also recommend other sites to photographers and designers I meet. Will also recommend that nobody choose an exclusive contract, and offer this situation as a good example of why such deals are not good for artists.

« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2010, 22:06 »
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I'll be focusing on more complex and unique illustrations I can sell at higher prices. I want to put more focus on Graphic Leftovers, Veer, Zoonar, and macros. I'm non-exclusive at iStock and the royalty percentage is too low to upload formally there.

« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2010, 02:02 »
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With regards to Istock: no more uploads from now on. If there are no significant changes ("commissions below 20% are unsustainable" ;D) then I will start deactivating my files start of next year.

I'll continue with the other agencies and will also try to focus a bit more on Alamy. I am not depending on my stock income (which is small) in any way, so I can afford to upload where I still feel treated fairly (or fair enough) without looking too much on the short term returns.

ShadySue

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2010, 02:08 »
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At the weekend, a friend of my husband went to see a suite of rooms he's thinking of renting and turning into music studios. I expressed an interest in possibly renting one from him to use as a photo studio. My skills are sorely wanting in that area, but I reckoned that with the space to myself and the time [I can use the camera club studio, but it's only open at certain hours, anyone in the club can book it (but so far, few do), it's small, and it shares space with the computers and big printers, which are used], I could work on my skills, then put them to use.
Although it looks as though I might be "lucky" enough to 'stand still', I was reckoning on going Gold in Feb-March, so it will, in effect be a pay cut from what I was projecting.
I think I'll let the studion 'go'.

« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2010, 02:09 »
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stop uploading!

« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2010, 02:45 »
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it's funny how unprofitable microstock is becoming these days. maybe i should start focusing on other areas now

alias

« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2010, 04:17 »
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Plan to continue with IS Getty but prepare portfolio to be re distributed. See that new agency model is beginning to seem inevitable but that parts and conditions not yet be in place. Could be guild of smaller independent agencies. Thinking follows:

Believe most IS exclusives see sales broadly in line with earlier estimates for year ahead. Will probably calm dissent. The owners have considered the Getty opportunity to create a tipping point. Remember that IS once posed a threat to their model. They consider possibility that they precipitate a new model by creating a tipping point.

Expect to see continuation of gradual but continual organization and redistribution of content on different brands at Getty. Getty is a machine system - there are many different points at which to adjust ebb and flow to affect profitability of different parts according to different markets conditions over time. Getty is a machine. IS is one of interfaces. Content distribution on brands will see constant revision. Same at algorithms etc. All content is not equally profitable. Content value depends from which hole it is sold out through.

When Getty has been public company, was struggled because stock price has suffered in part as a result of unrealistic market expectation / poor growth (opinion). No way of knowing whether emphasis on growth plans for a future sale (or IPO) - but do not see the stock side of Getty broken up and sold as different marques. Different divisions are integral to the whole. Editorial branch, who knows - they keep it for kudos ?

Over and out :)

(25% for everyone. 2 years.)
« Last Edit: September 09, 2010, 04:19 by alias »

« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2010, 05:25 »
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Have stopped uploading, and will be gradually taking down my images beginning Jan 1, and compensate elsewhere.
Unfortunately I can't recommend the site to anyone anymore

« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2010, 05:52 »
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As an exclusive, I'll wait and see - after all, until the end of year nothing much will change (I don't sell much Vetta and not very many ELs, so any loss there won't be a lot).

Come January, assuming iStock don't reconsider the new terms, chances are I won't have made the target to stay on my current royalty level - and the bottom line is, if I start to make less year-on-year I'll probably drop exclusivity and try to make it up elsewhere.

« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2010, 09:15 »
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I plan to go exclusive in the next month or two, unless the customers disappear or the goal line is suddenly moved  :D  I will keep uploading content and give them a chance.

While I'm not very happy about the reduction in commissions, I'm even more worried about the occasional message posted on this forum which says something like, "We don't buy very much at IS any more because of [price/web interface/selection/whatever]".

« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2010, 09:23 »
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I allready removed my portfolio at IS. 100 pics only, beacuse uploading there was such a pain in the ass.
I'll never use tem again, and I wil activily campain every where that no one shuold nor contribute nor buy images there, as they treat thier contributers like slaves.

I will then focus more on Alamy, SS, DT FT etc.

I belive this is the end to IS, as the leading microstock agency. In a year or 2 they are just an otner stockagency.

Buyers wil migrate to the other sites, at content leaves IS, og stops coming in to IS.
Buyers don't want to support an agency which take a 85% commision.

traveler1116

« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2010, 15:41 »
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Hmmm.. sounds a lot like my plans.  I will be putting all future images that would have been vetta or exclusive+ on to Alamy while continuing to upload other RF stuff to IS but as soon as I lose out on royalties from this change I will be out and pulling all of my images so hopefully this boost in contributors will see Alamy tighten up their inspections and increase their marketing.

« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2010, 15:52 »
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I'm just a small fish in the big pond but I will stop uploading to istock and I removed all my pending photos. Will probably delete my port when i can figure out how. This hurts because istock was my Number 1 earner.

« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2010, 14:34 »
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"There are hundreds of you out there for whom iStock is a full-time job. We take our responsibility to you seriously and this system was designed with you in mind."

"but I assure you that they had to be made and weve done everything to protect the future of the company and its contributors.
"
@kkthompson

They love us! So I'll wait to see my better future;>

helix7

« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2010, 14:57 »
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One other thing I'm doing in my effort to not promote iStock anymore is that I yanked my SXC.hu images. When Getty acquired StockXpert, they got the free site SXC as well and use it to funnel traffic to iStock.

If anyone has images at SXC, you might think about changing that.

Microbius

« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2010, 15:07 »
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One other thing I'm doing in my effort to not promote iStock anymore is that I yanked my SXC.hu images. When Getty acquired StockXpert, they got the free site SXC as well and use it to funnel traffic to iStock.

If anyone has images at SXC, you might think about changing that.

All your suggestions so far have been spot on. I think you're absolutely right to target buyers rather then pulling portfolios. Most people who do this for a living can't afford to do that, but hopefully if enough buyers leave for better paying agencies gradually IStock will make proportionately less of our income for us and we can bail or force a rethink.

« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2010, 15:45 »
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I deleted all my audios and canceled audio exclusivity. I also found the list of most popular audio libraries rated by artists, and learned that Istock has almost the last position in ratings from artists. I also learned that I can sell RF audio even if I am a member of PRO, which Istock didn't allow. This opens many doors for me to sell RM audio and to enjoy even performance royalties. What surprises me is that musicians have only bad words for Istock...so bad that I can't even quote them here. Generally, even before this mess, musicians had an opinion that Istock is very bad for artists.

Regarding my photos: I will leave them for now, to see how the situation develops. And if sales drop till the end of the year I will consider deleting my port. Upload and submission process is to complicated if sales are poor.

Unfortunately, I live in a place where people don't buy stock images very often, so I can't have direct influence on buyers.

Edited: Actually, I got more than 50 referrals on Istock, and all are buyers of course. I could ask them for their opinion :)
« Last Edit: September 10, 2010, 16:13 by Dreamframer »

rubyroo

« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2010, 16:55 »
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I've come to realise that I actually slowed down production significantly after I started with iStock.  Mainly due to their upload limits and the fact that I shifted my work orientation to appeal to them first and foremost.   

What I will now do is crank production back up, as I halt uploads to iStock entirely and change focus back to growing my portfolios elsewhere - where the upload limits are not so restrictive, and the commissions are the kind I can live with.   I'll also finally get around to uploading to GL and Alamy.

In a strange way, as much as I despise what they've done, I feel I've had my freedom restored. 


 

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