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« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2009, 04:41 »
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And, please learn a bit of economy before you start to speak loud.

Sure... as soon as you learn some manners before speaking to other people.


Milinz

« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2009, 04:51 »
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And, please learn a bit of economy before you start to speak loud.

Sure... as soon as you learn some manners before speaking to other people.

Sorry... I forgot my manners somewhere on the road...

« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2009, 05:49 »
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Wow, those 27 uploads have 1356 downloads.  istock should be trying to get your portfolio on their site.
Less is more :)

Exactly what I thought when I see 10.000+ images on Dreamstime of which less than 2% had 10 or more sales. There are certainly quite a few brillant images among them. Why not drop the other 98% and double the amount of work spent on the rest...


Because that images are sold for miserable 30-50 cents commissions to authors. And, please learn a bit of economy before you start to speak loud.

In mass there should not be found one of your quality images - if you have two, five or six thousands images you will have more sales. It is the way things are set up. No one and nothing can change that volume has advance over quality on microstock!


Somehow i doubt that will ever happen  :D

BTW I'm not sure about other people but i'm pretty convinced I would make less $$$ if i would spend more time on single images. Let's say i spend 3-4 hours on an image which nets me 100$. Pretty cool, but in that very same time i could easily produce 50 simple images that earn 4-5$ each and might have bigger sellers among them. Also there's a lot less risk of your images getting buried in the search engine since you've got more of them. (again this is just my personal experience/idea, i'm sure other people have different ideas). I remember spending an entire day on a single file which sold.. 0 times and ended up in me deleting that image alltogether  :-\

Milinz

« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2009, 06:21 »
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Wow, those 27 uploads have 1356 downloads.  istock should be trying to get your portfolio on their site.
Less is more :)

Exactly what I thought when I see 10.000+ images on Dreamstime of which less than 2% had 10 or more sales. There are certainly quite a few brillant images among them. Why not drop the other 98% and double the amount of work spent on the rest...


Because that images are sold for miserable 30-50 cents commissions to authors. And, please learn a bit of economy before you start to speak loud.

In mass there should not be found one of your quality images - if you have two, five or six thousands images you will have more sales. It is the way things are set up. No one and nothing can change that volume has advance over quality on microstock!


Somehow i doubt that will ever happen  :D

BTW I'm not sure about other people but i'm pretty convinced I would make less $$$ if i would spend more time on single images. Let's say i spend 3-4 hours on an image which nets me 100$. Pretty cool, but in that very same time i could easily produce 50 simple images that earn 4-5$ each and might have bigger sellers among them. Also there's a lot less risk of your images getting buried in the search engine since you've got more of them. (again this is just my personal experience/idea, i'm sure other people have different ideas). I remember spending an entire day on a single file which sold.. 0 times and ended up in me deleting that image alltogether  :-\

That is exactly how microstock works.

BTW, many people wrongly use 'quality' as some definition of high standard images. I am pretty sure that I have very good and excellent quality images due to that I have very most of them accepted on many agencies... So, there is quality stamp over them due to at least 10 or more reviewers accepted that images!

The point is to produce as many as possible images which will comply to standards as well as to produce them as fast as possible.

Nothing other matters ;-)

[edit] As for those people who have small quantity images and produce them slow, microstock is not place for them. They should go on mid-stock and macrostock... They have better chances there in terms of sales as well in terms of revenue! The one more detail: My complex images are sold not for less than $40/download... So GO FIGURE... The hint I give you here is clear difference about products we create. There is microstock product as well as real stock product category. If you learn the difference in this two categories and start to upload accordingly, you can get rich! But, if you work on one image for hours or days and then upload to microstock... Then something is wrong with you!
« Last Edit: May 20, 2009, 06:42 by Milinz »

« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2009, 06:58 »
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That is exactly how microstock works.

No, this is how Shutterstock works.

Noodles

« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2009, 07:57 »
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BTW I'm not sure about other people but i'm pretty convinced I would make less $$$ if i would spend more time on single images. Let's say i spend 3-4 hours on an image which nets me 100$. Pretty cool, but in that very same time i could easily produce 50 simple images that earn 4-5$ each and might have bigger sellers among them. Also there's a lot less risk of your images getting buried in the search engine since you've got more of them. (again this is just my personal experience/idea, i'm sure other people have different ideas). I remember spending an entire day on a single file which sold.. 0 times and ended up in me deleting that image alltogether  :-\

You make valid points and I can understand why your system works for you. But in the long run quality will always shine and while it may take longer to build such a portfolio, it will produce excellent results over time - IMHO of course :)

« Last Edit: May 20, 2009, 08:06 by Noodles »

« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2009, 08:19 »
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Trying to get a basic/simple rastered image on iStock is imo.. close to impossible and extremely frustrating  :'( I've got 15.000 images on SS (and usually over 10.000 with other major sites) while iStock has so far accepted 27 LOL  :o On the bright side: life has gotten a lot less frustrating now that i've stopped regular uploads on iStock and plan to stop uploading alltogether  :) No more cursing on best match changes/horrific uploading/weird policies/insert other complaint   ;D

Impressive quota.

I guess you are not going to reveal your secret how you can upload nearly 20 images/illustrations every single day for 2 years straight (rejections not counted).

On a 10 hour working day, that's 2 images per hour including keywording. If you count 3 minutes for keywording, that's another 1 hour a day just to tag the images. Then you still have to categorize them.

Are you on life support or do you ever leave the house to go shopping for food?  :-X

I get dizzy uploading 10 a day to all the agencies including keywording and categorizing...

Keep going.

Milinz

« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2009, 09:30 »
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That is exactly how microstock works.

No, this is how Shutterstock works.

Sorry sljocke, but you are exclusive on iStock - how may you know how microstock works?
You just know how iStock works ;-)

Milinz

« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2009, 09:57 »
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BTW I'm not sure about other people but i'm pretty convinced I would make less $$$ if i would spend more time on single images. Let's say i spend 3-4 hours on an image which nets me 100$. Pretty cool, but in that very same time i could easily produce 50 simple images that earn 4-5$ each and might have bigger sellers among them. Also there's a lot less risk of your images getting buried in the search engine since you've got more of them. (again this is just my personal experience/idea, i'm sure other people have different ideas). I remember spending an entire day on a single file which sold.. 0 times and ended up in me deleting that image alltogether  :-\

You make valid points and I can understand why your system works for you. But in the long run quality will always shine and while it may take longer to build such a portfolio, it will produce excellent results over time - IMHO of course :)




You are second time wrong... First time you accoused me on copying other copies of my own images...
Now you say that sitting for hours creating coplex vectors or taking expensive images will win at last on microstock?

Yes if we all turn to be crazy to give such works for cents... Happilly there are very few of us ready to comply to give up from $50 and more commissions and hope to get more on thousands of 1 dollar download sales on microstock....

Microstock is as its name says... Micro in quality, micro in investments and micro in revenue per image....

Yes it comes to good point when you realize that you could sell that image for few thousands dollars and it get you just hundred or even less....


Noodles

« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2009, 11:00 »
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You are second time wrong... First time you accoused me on copying other copies of my own images...
Now you say that sitting for hours creating coplex vectors or taking expensive images will win at last on microstock?

Yes if we all turn to be crazy to give such works for cents... Happilly there are very few of us ready to comply to give up from $50 and more commissions and hope to get more on thousands of 1 dollar download sales on microstock....

Microstock is as its name says... Micro in quality, micro in investments and micro in revenue per image....

Yes it comes to good point when you realize that you could sell that image for few thousands dollars and it get you just hundred or even less....




Yep, whatever you say  :)


« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2009, 11:00 »
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I just sold it on BigStock. Two times today, for $2 and $3 :)   


« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2009, 11:04 »
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Sorry sljocke, but you are exclusive on iStock - how may you know how microstock works?
You just know how iStock works ;-)

Because from what I read here, people have to keep shoving stuff into the SS collection as fast as possible to keep sales up.  Not so much true at IS.

« Reply #62 on: May 20, 2009, 13:05 »
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Exactly what I thought when I see 10.000+ images on Dreamstime of which less than 2% had 10 or more sales. There are certainly quite a few brillant images among them. Why not drop the other 98% and double the amount of work spent on the rest...

The problem is a bit you never know in advance what those 2% will be. I have some weird (in my opinion) good sellers and some very bad sellers that I thought would make it to the top. And the weirdest is they are largely different at different sites. So how to chose? I don't have a clue.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2009, 13:09 by FlemishDreams »

« Reply #63 on: May 20, 2009, 14:22 »
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I'm independent and I agree with Sean.  SS is the only site that needs that sort of uploading.

Sorry sljocke, but you are exclusive on iStock - how may you know how microstock works?
You just know how iStock works ;-)

Because from what I read here, people have to keep shoving stuff into the SS collection as fast as possible to keep sales up.  Not so much true at IS.

« Reply #64 on: May 20, 2009, 14:35 »
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You make valid points and I can understand why your system works for you. But in the long run quality will always shine and while it may take longer to build such a portfolio, it will produce excellent results over time - IMHO of course :)

Possibly, but as it is now i'm getting better results with quantity  :) Of course if I ever get the impression that spending more time on images will generate more cash, then i'd shift tactics in no time.


I guess you are not going to reveal your secret how you can upload nearly 20 images/illustrations every single day for 2 years straight (rejections not counted).

On a 10 hour working day, that's 2 images per hour including keywording. If you count 3 minutes for keywording, that's another 1 hour a day just to tag the images. Then you still have to categorize them.

Are you on life support or do you ever leave the house to go shopping for food?  :-X

I get dizzy uploading 10 a day to all the agencies including keywording and categorizing...

Keep going.

Ahh well umm.. welcome to the new and exciting world of delegation. Last time i keyworded and categorized an image by myself must have been over a year ago  :) You'd be amazed at how much time you can save by outsourcing a few boring/dull tasks.

Exactly what I thought when I see 10.000+ images on Dreamstime of which less than 2% had 10 or more sales. There are certainly quite a few brillant images among them. Why not drop the other 98% and double the amount of work spent on the rest...

The problem is a bit you never know in advance what those 2% will be. I have some weird (in my opinion) good sellers and some very bad sellers that I thought would make it to the top. And the weirdest is they are largely different at different sites. So how to chose? I don't have a clue.

So very true, some images may be popular with oh lets say DT, while others may be popular on FT and so on.. it's pretty random.

lisafx

« Reply #65 on: May 20, 2009, 14:58 »
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Ahh well umm.. welcome to the new and exciting world of delegation. Last time i keyworded and categorized an image by myself must have been over a year ago  :) You'd be amazed at how much time you can save by outsourcing a few boring/dull tasks.


You find it is cost effective to delegate uploading and keywording?  Do you have someone in house do it or do you outsource to a company that does that?

Just curious.  I like doing everything myself and keeping my costs low.

Noodles

« Reply #66 on: May 20, 2009, 18:29 »
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Ahh well umm.. welcome to the new and exciting world of delegation. Last time i keyworded and categorized an image by myself must have been over a year ago  :) You'd be amazed at how much time you can save by outsourcing a few boring/dull tasks.

I can certainly relate to that as I also outsource to a lovely girl in the Ukraine who saves me countless hours and dollars reproducing CAD illustrations for industrial manuals.

As for Microstock, well, unfortunately I'm a * Virgo perfectionist, and can't bear the thought of lowering my standards to produce bulk imagery, no matter what!  Its in my blood or something. But, like yours, its still a system that works   :)

ShadySue

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« Reply #67 on: May 21, 2009, 10:46 »
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Ahh well umm.. welcome to the new and exciting world of delegation. Last time i keyworded and categorized an image by myself must have been over a year ago  :) You'd be amazed at how much time you can save by outsourcing a few boring/dull tasks.


You find it is cost effective to delegate uploading and keywording?  Do you have someone in house do it or do you outsource to a company that does that?

Just curious.  I like doing everything myself and keeping my costs low.
What else would you do on a wet Sunday or on the dark winter nights? ;D

Milinz

« Reply #68 on: May 21, 2009, 14:17 »
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Sorry sljocke, but you are exclusive on iStock - how may you know how microstock works?
You just know how iStock works ;-)

Because from what I read here, people have to keep shoving stuff into the SS collection as fast as possible to keep sales up.  Not so much true at IS.

SS has its flow as any other agency on its own way... SS is just one of the best as well as iStock is one of the best...
BTW, I am quite not in mood to work on one vector for days and then upload it to iStock or any other microstock site... That work invested must return on other way with much more RPI and there is traditional stock as well as some specialized retailers for that kind of works. So, complex or elaborate complexity vector I make could never be sold for less than $50-$100 per download. Story with 5-10 minutes vectors is completely different and I really don't care if they sell for less than dollar by subscription or for 5, 10 or 20 dollars by single sales.... It is point in that you must find nitche for your work as well if you don't have nitche (I don't because I can draw anything in any style) then you must find adequate retailers for your different work... It is simple when you know to recognize what you are able to create and how difficult that is... It is absolutely the same with photography. Some people do isolated over white images for microstock - no big deal - one day they can produce hundreds or thousands of isolated images... But, when you must  go on some trip, pay for crew, rent additional equipment, models, stylist, makeup, models , place for all to sleep and food, you really don't wish to see your results of such investment is sold for peannuts... Also, if you have TFCD and similar models, Friend stylist, many other friends who can help you with some of details you will not mind that produced images sell for peannuts... That is main difference and main advantages or disadvantages...

« Reply #69 on: June 03, 2009, 15:16 »
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To follow up on this topic, the result of the scout review:

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Issue/Question:
Not suitable as stock my ass. So tired of this complete BS rejection reason for every and any raster illustration.
 
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Comment:
Congratulations, a scout ticket that you have submit has resulted in a rejection being overturned!
 
Regards,
scout.


http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=9390292

LSD72

  • My Bologna has a first name...
« Reply #70 on: June 03, 2009, 15:49 »
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I forgot about this thread...mine got knocked off too. I wonder if I should "scout" it just to learn how.

Milinz

« Reply #71 on: June 03, 2009, 16:54 »
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To follow up on this topic, the result of the scout review:

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Issue/Question:
Not suitable as stock my ass. So tired of this complete BS rejection reason for every and any raster illustration.
 
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Comment:
Congratulations, a scout ticket that you have submit has resulted in a rejection being overturned!
 
Regards,
scout.


http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=9390292



Congrats! You are one of few who succeded - Maybe I can give a try ;-)

« Reply #72 on: June 03, 2009, 20:15 »
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Because from what I read here, people have to keep shoving stuff into the SS collection as fast as possible to keep sales up. 

True enough __ exclusivity at IS is almost certainly the better bet.

Milinz

« Reply #73 on: June 04, 2009, 05:27 »
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Because from what I read here, people have to keep shoving stuff into the SS collection as fast as possible to keep sales up. 

True enough __ exclusivity at IS is almost certainly the better bet.

Well, not anymore... SS has changed its search results and now it is similar to iStocks best match... I have mass of old images selling ;-)

So, no - you are wrong.

« Reply #74 on: June 04, 2009, 05:38 »
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Well, not anymore... SS has changed its search results and now it is similar to iStocks best match... I have mass of old images selling ;-)

Awful Zeus on the Olympus and holy bull's excrement, I just had a look. You're right. I didn't upload since March and I'm already at 40$ there today. We can finally stop feeding the beast.


 

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