Author Topic: I've had enough. (Read 30487 times)

Kngkyle · « **Reply #75 on:** June 04, 2009, 06:37 »

Quote from: FlemishDreams on June 04, 2009, 05:38

Quote from: Milinz on June 04, 2009, 05:27
Well, not anymore... SS has changed its search results and now it is similar to iStocks best match... I have mass of old images selling ;-)

Awful Zeus on the Olympus and holy bull's excrement, I just had a look. You're right. I didn't upload since March and I'm already at 40$ there today. We can finally stop feeding the beast.

Dear god he is correct. Images I uploaded over a year ago appear on page 1. When did they make this change exactly?

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #76 on:** June 04, 2009, 07:30 »

Quote from: Kngkyle on June 04, 2009, 06:37

Quote from: FlemishDreams on June 04, 2009, 05:38
Quote from: Milinz on June 04, 2009, 05:27
Well, not anymore... SS has changed its search results and now it is similar to iStocks best match... I have mass of old images selling ;-)

Awful Zeus on the Olympus and holy bull's excrement, I just had a look. You're right. I didn't upload since March and I'm already at 40$ there today. We can finally stop feeding the beast.

Dear god he is correct. Images I uploaded over a year ago appear on page 1. When did they make this change exactly?

Shutterstock buyers are new image hoarders. I wonder what will happen when they figure out they're hoarding old stuff.

bittersweet · « **Reply #77 on:** June 04, 2009, 08:02 »

Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on June 04, 2009, 07:30

Shutterstock buyers are new image hoarders. I wonder what will happen when they figure out they're hoarding old stuff.

Milinz · « **Reply #78 on:** June 04, 2009, 08:12 »

Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on June 04, 2009, 07:30

Quote from: Kngkyle on June 04, 2009, 06:37
Quote from: FlemishDreams on June 04, 2009, 05:38
Quote from: Milinz on June 04, 2009, 05:27
Well, not anymore... SS has changed its search results and now it is similar to iStocks best match... I have mass of old images selling ;-)

Awful Zeus on the Olympus and holy bull's excrement, I just had a look. You're right. I didn't upload since March and I'm already at 40$ there today. We can finally stop feeding the beast.

Dear god he is correct. Images I uploaded over a year ago appear on page 1. When did they make this change exactly?

Shutterstock buyers are new image hoarders. I wonder what will happen when they figure out they're hoarding old stuff.

They will be happy !

Nevertheless on SS you may search by two ways:
1. Best Match (MOST POPULAR)
2. Newest

Kngkyle · « **Reply #79 on:** June 05, 2009, 15:17 »

And the 2nd one that I sent to scout:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=9423717

lisafx · « **Reply #80 on:** June 05, 2009, 17:38 »

Quote from: Kngkyle on June 04, 2009, 06:37

Quote from: FlemishDreams on June 04, 2009, 05:38
Quote from: Milinz on June 04, 2009, 05:27
Well, not anymore... SS has changed its search results and now it is similar to iStocks best match... I have mass of old images selling ;-)

Awful Zeus on the Olympus and holy bull's excrement, I just had a look. You're right. I didn't upload since March and I'm already at 40$ there today. We can finally stop feeding the beast.

Dear god he is correct. Images I uploaded over a year ago appear on page 1. When did they make this change exactly?

Well this explains why none of my new series is generating sales there like I expected. Would be nice to stop feeding the beast, but only after I clear the backlog on my computer

vonkara · « **Reply #81 on:** June 05, 2009, 17:58 »

Quote from: Milinz on June 04, 2009, 05:27

Well, not anymore... SS has changed its search results and now it is similar to iStocks best match... I have mass of old images selling ;-)

That's refreshing! Now I can stop shooting my wood floor just for getting exposure. Last years I felt like I was working in a mass production Nike industry based somewhere bad in Asia

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #82 on:** June 05, 2009, 18:03 »

I was totally disappointed in the last batch I submitted. Almost no sales from the last batch I uploaded to SS. But good to know I will just stop uploading, if new images do not generate the sales. What actually happened was that an image maybe 2 weeks old ended up on the last place of my portfolio when sorted according to popularity. Now tell me what incentive do I now have to submit more images to SS?

For me currently there are only three left from the top 5 to which I now regular upload. DT, FT and IS. There at least I see new images being sold. StockXpert fell out a month or two ago, when I submitted a bigger batch of nice images and non of them got downloaded and hardly got any views.

Milinz · « **Reply #83 on:** June 06, 2009, 08:54 »

Quote from: Freezingpictures on June 05, 2009, 18:03

I was totally disappointed in the last batch I submitted. Almost no sales from the last batch I uploaded to SS. But good to know I will just stop uploading, if new images do not generate the sales. What actually happened was that an image maybe 2 weeks old ended up on the last place of my portfolio when sorted according to popularity. Now tell me what incentive do I now have to submit more images to SS?

For me currently there are only three left from the top 5 to which I now regular upload. DT, FT and IS. There at least I see new images being sold. StockXpert fell out a month or two ago, when I submitted a bigger batch of nice images and non of them got downloaded and hardly got any views.

Well - it is time to comply to what is needed - not what is popular! 'Vogue' images are not what buyers really wish to buy! Look at show me your latest download thread and you'll see that some 'rules' on some agencies are quite wrong in terms of buyers needs... It is more likely that some agencies wish to extend their libraries on something they don't have enough and selling images which have not any connection to those they said they really need... It is stockpilling what they do... Not real picture of what will really sell!

It is one of main reasons why I can't pass on iStock initial review - I don't need artist badge or any other badge - I need money and that is why I do stock images as many other authors to whom they say 'we don't need'! When some agencies understand that, it may be too late for them!

Anyway - no feeding the beast - just making useful simplistic or original images ;-)

[EDIT] Almost forgot: Shutterstock ROCKS!

stockastic · « **Reply #84 on:** June 06, 2009, 15:18 »

Although I do a very small number of photos, I can confirm that after the recent 'change', new images on SS go nowhere. The trend on all the micros is to stop boosting new images in favor of 'popularity' ranking of old images. I made many more sales just 2 months ago, with fewer photos, and on SS most of them were for new images.

If you think about this for 5 seconds you realize that images submitted today have no way to gain the popularity they'd need to become successful 'old' images.

Not sure when or if I'll start submitting again.

Milinz · « **Reply #85 on:** June 07, 2009, 13:48 »

Back on the subject of frustration with iStockphoto:

Quote

We regret to inform you that we cannot accept your submission, entitled squares mosaic pattern...

... for addition to the iStockphoto library for the following reasons: We're sorry, but we did not find this file suitable as stock. With the rapid growth of the iStock collection, we give valuable consideration to each file but unfortunately cannot accept all submissions.

So, I've sent it to scout and it is more than obvious that this IS VERY SUITABLE STOCK IMAGE with other version downloaded more than 300 times on other places. Nevertheless, this one has 50mpix resolution!

Well, iStock will probably be my EX agency and 4th bailout due to this stupidity!

kaycee · « **Reply #86 on:** June 10, 2009, 03:19 »

after being rejected several times for my vector application ...
and seing this topic I thought give it a try and submit some raster versions of my vectors...
Sofar two were accepted Yippie da doo

hope they accept many more.......

Milinz · « **Reply #87 on:** June 10, 2009, 03:46 »

Congrats Kaycee!

I had my initial 10 vectrors review on Veer Marketplace and it says:

"
There has been new activity on your Veer Marketplace contributor account.

Here is a summary of your contributor statistics:

Approved: 10
"

So, I believe they need my illustrations 'in terms of composition, use of BLAH BLAH and stock value so BLAH BLAH'... Quite opposite of that as they reject on iStock ;-)

It is all in Competition - what else to say ;-)

[Edit] After last 'BLAH BLAH' there is contextual sentence which is a bit determinable about to whom is BLAH BLAH quote addressed to... It is iStock I am criticizing here - not veer!

kaycee · « **Reply #88 on:** June 10, 2009, 04:27 »

Quote from: Milinz on June 10, 2009, 03:46

Congrats Kaycee!

I had my initial 10 vectrors review on Veer Marketplace and it says:

"
There has been new activity on your Veer Marketplace contributor account.

Here is a summary of your contributor statistics:

Approved: 10
"

So, I believe they need my illustrations 'in terms of composition, use of BLAH BLAH and stock value so BLAH BLAH...

It is all in Competition - what else to say ;-)

Congratz to make to Veer... I'm still struggeling with my account (can't login anymore)

The fun part of my two vectors/raster halftone dancing was rejected by vivozoom with this reason :Image does not meet our quality standard
and rejected by Crestock for the reason of composition...So I thought it never would be accepted by Istock...I guessed wrong this time...

Milinz · « **Reply #89 on:** June 10, 2009, 04:40 »

Well, real reviewer should know what images will sell... If he doubt then he better accept than reject some image... It is not the case at iStock due to my simple background/frame image has been rejected there...

But Veer reviewers know what is commercial and I know that my images ARE in that category as well as I intentionaly put this one on initial review:

Along with some other of my sellers and original works...

Now, it is flood of images coming up to my Veer Marketplace Dashboard ;-)

null · « **Reply #90 on:** June 10, 2009, 04:57 »

Quote from: Milinz on June 10, 2009, 04:40

It's so shorts-sighted of iStock to reject an image like this. The copyspace is very salable

dunsmore · « **Reply #91 on:** June 10, 2009, 05:03 »

Quote from: Milinz on June 10, 2009, 04:40

Well, real reviewer should know what images will sell... If he doubt then he better accept than reject some image... It is not the case at iStock due to my simple background/frame image has been rejected there...

But Veer reviewers know what is commercial and I know that my images ARE in that category as well as I intentionaly put this one on initial review:

Along with some other of my sellers and original works...

Now, it is flood of images coming up to my Veer Marketplace Dashboard ;-)

null · « **Reply #92 on:** June 10, 2009, 05:07 »

Quote from: stockastic on June 06, 2009, 15:18

I can confirm that after the recent 'change', new images on SS go nowhere. The trend on all the micros is to stop boosting new images in favor of 'popularity' ranking of old images. I made many more sales just 2 months ago, with fewer photos, and on SS most of them were for new images.
If you think about this for 5 seconds you realize that images submitted today have no way to gain the popularity they'd need to become successful 'old' images.

Well, the only way to get sales on "new" images is let them grow old, so upload is the only option. If you don't upload now, they will grow old later. At Kingkyle: the change happened silently somewhere around the end of May when the SS forum was in turmoil about the IRS issue, so it almost went unnoticed.
For sales, DT and SS were a bit complimentary: DT for the long run, SS for the new images. It gave a nice bipolar earnings curve. Again, the long-term contributors will benefit and the new uploads/uploaders will suffer.

Both on DT and on SS, the buyer can rank to relevance and newness. If a simple change in the default algorithm (that chan be undone by one simple click) has so much repercussions on sales, one might wonder how (un)educated buyers really are. Sjlocke was right, there is room for blogs oriented towards buyers.

Milinz · « **Reply #93 on:** June 10, 2009, 05:11 »

Quote from: dunsmore on June 10, 2009, 05:03

Quote from: Milinz on June 10, 2009, 04:40
Well, real reviewer should know what images will sell... If he doubt then he better accept than reject some image... It is not the case at iStock due to my simple background/frame image has been rejected there...

But Veer reviewers know what is commercial and I know that my images ARE in that category as well as I intentionaly put this one on initial review:

Along with some other of my sellers and original works...

Now, it is flood of images coming up to my Veer Marketplace Dashboard ;-)

That image earned over $500 on other agencies including JUI/Photos.com

And, sometimes it is good to have designers as friends who can tell you what kind of images they may need!

BTW, you can learn something out of the box from me... Why you are so cinical?

Milinz · « **Reply #94 on:** June 17, 2009, 03:21 »

As said 'Not needed on iStock':

http://www.fotolia.com/TopSales/FromThisWeek

It is on first page of best sales last 7 days on Fotolia!!!

Adeptris · « **Reply #95 on:** June 17, 2009, 03:42 »

Quote from: Milinz on June 17, 2009, 03:21

As said 'Not needed on iStock':

http://www.fotolia.com/TopSales/FromThisWeek

It is on first page of best sales last 7 days on Fotolia!!!

You guys really should give the agencies a bit of credit for knowing what they are doing, if every asset is accepted on every site and the search returned the same assets, where would be the diversity and what would be the point?

As has been said Istock use a different set of acceptance rules than ShutterStock and other sites, and will have some customers that the other don't, they have not said the asset is a bad quality one, just it is 'not needed by them at this time', subscription models need a lot more new images to keep their customers coming back and downloading, not always to use the downloaded asset but just because they want to use up the subscription limits, what is a best seller this week does not follow it will still be in a month or two.

David

Milinz · « **Reply #96 on:** June 17, 2009, 03:51 »

Quote from: Adeptris on June 17, 2009, 03:42

Quote from: Milinz on June 17, 2009, 03:21
As said 'Not needed on iStock':

http://www.fotolia.com/TopSales/FromThisWeek

It is on first page of best sales last 7 days on Fotolia!!!

You guys really should give the agencies a bit of credit for knowing what they are doing, if every asset is accepted on every site and the search returned the same assets, where would be the diversity and what would be the point?

As has been said Istock use a different set of acceptance rules than ShutterStock and other sites, and will have some customers that the other don't, they have not said the asset is a bad quality one, just it is 'not needed by them at this time', subscription models need a lot more new images to keep their customers coming back and downloading, not always to use the downloaded asset but just because they want to use up the subscription limits, what is a best seller this week does not follow it will still be in a month or two.

David

Well, It is on Fotolia for a while and it broke some other peoples records in sales for single file...

Istock don't need my vectors and as such I tried to send them rasterized versions of some which are pretty hard to draw in illustrator only - I used 2 vector software to draw them ;-)

Well, they don't need my work at all because they've accepted just one from 18 initial vectors I've send them in 6 tries... What to say? They have other standards than all other stock agencies and there we come in that not working for me. I am also hurt now with Gettys idea to apply to istock and disabling all files originated from StockXpert to sell on JUI/Photos.com.
So, this is more policy than business and I am liberatian... So, outlets to be filled with my images are going to be more numerous than I've initially thought about it...
If iStock don't need my vectors I am sure all others do need them and I will upload where they need them with not bothering with iStock.

epixx · « **Reply #97 on:** June 17, 2009, 19:15 »

Quote from: Freezingpictures on June 05, 2009, 18:03

What actually happened was that an image maybe 2 weeks old ended up on the last place of my portfolio when sorted according to popularity. Now tell me what incentive do I now have to submit more images to SS?

Wow... I hadn't noticed that before. All of my latest uploads are on the last pages

LSD72 · « **Reply #98 on:** June 18, 2009, 17:43 »

Scout got back to me and overturned one of the Raster Rejects.

This one is now online as of today...rated 5 and has 6 views...now waiting on sales.

But... since I got into SS.... I don't have to worry about going to Scout everytime I want to try to sell a raster.

gostwyck · « **Reply #99 on:** June 18, 2009, 19:06 »

^^^ What exactly is that supposed to be?

It's not going to sell unless it jumps out of a page of thumbnails as a good representation of it's subject matter __ and I can't tell what it is even at that size.

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