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Phadrea

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« on: November 26, 2013, 02:54 »
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I am absolutely frustrated at the constant rejection of an editorial file on the basis of the caption not being sufficient. 

I filled in the info as they wanted (time, date, what is happening, where and why) and still they say the caption is not sufficient. I then have to keep re-submitting (having to re-select keywords etc) only to be rejected again.

I really don't know what else to say than the info I have already given.


« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2013, 03:04 »
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Post what you wrote

Phadrea

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2013, 03:10 »
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Coastal Bus, North Wales - August 08, 2013: seaside coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2013, 03:17 »
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Coastal Bus, North Wales - August 08, 2013: seaside coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.


You need to go and read the instructions about here and here about how the caption should be formatted. You are getting it completely wrong vs how they want it.

Tone

« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2013, 03:17 »
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Coastal Bus, North Wales - August 08, 2013: seaside coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

The location has to come first:
Llandudno, North Wales - August 8th, 2013: Driver  of  a coastal bus giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

Phadrea

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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2013, 03:31 »
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ok, thanks.

« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2013, 06:22 »
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Just a technicality maybe, but the Country should just be "Wales" shouldn't it?
Don't exactly repeat what you have as a title or description, and don't assume that something is happening that isn't actually shown in the photo.

ShadySue

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2013, 06:27 »
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Just a technicality maybe, but the Country should just be "Wales" shouldn't it?
Don't exactly repeat what you have as a title or description, and don't assume that something is happening that isn't actually shown in the photo.
It has to be 'town, Wales, UK'. And in fact, they'll accept just 'town,UK'.
For a while I got wrong rejections for putting 'town,Scotland, UK', (some inspectors mistakenly thought it should be only 'UK') but now all the inspectors seem to be toeing the official line on that.
I have also had some accepted with 'county, Scotland, UK' where it is an open countryside photo.

« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 06:46 »
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Just a technicality maybe, but the Country should just be "Wales" shouldn't it?
Don't exactly repeat what you have as a title or description, and don't assume that something is happening that isn't actually shown in the photo.
It has to be 'town, Wales, UK'. And in fact, they'll accept just 'town,UK'.
For a while I got wrong rejections for putting 'town,Scotland, UK', (some inspectors mistakenly thought it should be only 'UK') but now all the inspectors seem to be toeing the official line on that.
I have also had some accepted with 'county, Scotland, UK' where it is an open countryside photo.
That's worth knowing Liz. Thanks.
I put "town, Cornwall, UK" on shots taken down here, and they have been accepted OK. I usually put the nearest town on open countryside shots.

stockphotoeurope

« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 14:29 »
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I thought Cornwall was a (ceremonial) county, not country. So I'd say 'town, Cornwall, England, UK', or just 'town, England, UK', or even 'town, Cornwall, England, Great Britain, UK'.
But I guess, as long as they accept it it's fine.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2013, 14:31 by stockphotoeurope »

ShadySue

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2013, 14:37 »
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I thought Cornwall was a (ceremonial) county, not country. So I'd say 'town, Cornwall, England, UK', or just 'town, England, UK', or even 'town, Cornwall, England, Great Britain, UK'.
But I guess, as long as they accept it it's fine.
You don't even need England. I also had early rejections on 'London, England, UK', because someone thought it had to be 'London, UK'.

« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2013, 14:39 »
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London, England - always sounds like the start of DangerMouse to me

Phadrea

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2013, 10:50 »
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Sigh......they rejected it again despite me following their example YET AGIAN


Llandudno Wales August 7, 2013: Vintage Holiday Coach

Seaside coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

Tone

« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2013, 10:59 »
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Sigh......they rejected it again despite me following their example YET AGIAN


Llandudno Wales August 7, 2013: Vintage Holiday Coach

Seaside coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

Looks like you didn't punctuate it correctly. They will reject for that alone.

« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2013, 11:04 »
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Sigh......they rejected it again despite me following their example YET AGIAN


Llandudno Wales August 7, 2013: Vintage Holiday Coach

Seaside coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

Why not just do it in the proper format - as  in the links I posted, instead of trying to do it your own way  ?

And - I think you could probably write a better caption than that too. If you are going to bother. Aim for two sentences with no repetition.

ShadySue

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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2013, 11:07 »
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Sigh......they rejected it again despite me following their example YET AGIAN


Llandudno Wales August 7, 2013: Vintage Holiday Coach

Seaside coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

Looks like you didn't punctuate it correctly. They will reject for that alone.

Correct, and you MUST put UK.
Llandudno, Wales, UK - August 7, 2013: Caption
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Hobostocker

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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2013, 11:56 »
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I wonder, is Editorial selling well on Istock to justify the time needed for proper captioning ? I've some travel stuff on IS but so far it sold almost nothing as editorial while similar images are OK sold as RF.

« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2013, 15:32 »
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Sigh......they rejected it again despite me following their example YET AGIAN


Llandudno Wales August 7, 2013: Vintage Holiday Coach

Seaside coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

Why not just do it in the proper format - as  in the links I posted, instead of trying to do it your own way  ?

And - I think you could probably write a better caption than that too. If you are going to bother. Aim for two sentences with no repetition.

If it's a "vintage" coach, why not use a second sentence to tell us something about it. What make is it? When was it built? Who operates the tours? How long have they been doing it? Usually a quick Google search will bring up whatever you need for the caption. Regards, David.

« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2013, 16:18 »
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I wonder, is Editorial selling well on Istock to justify the time needed for proper captioning ? I've some travel stuff on IS but so far it sold almost nothing as editorial while similar images are OK sold as RF.

It is true that regular RF sells better on iStock and given a choice between submitting an image as editorial or regular, I'd choose regular, but there's a much greater freedom with editorial and the reduction in post processing time because of editorial constraints makes it worth while I think.

ShadySue

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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2013, 20:46 »
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I wonder, is Editorial selling well on Istock to justify the time needed for proper captioning ? I've some travel stuff on IS but so far it sold almost nothing as editorial while similar images are OK sold as RF.
Depends entirely on your port. My editorial sells proportionately, but my 'other' content is essentially 'editorial that doesn't need releases'.

Phadrea

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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2013, 03:26 »
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But the Uk info was in the description. Surely if all the info is there it doesn't matter what order it is put>

Description:

llandudno, Wales, UK August 08, 2013

 Seaside coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2013, 04:00 »
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I also gave up sending them editorials because of the refused files due the wrong description.

« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2013, 04:09 »
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But the Uk info was in the description. Surely if all the info is there it doesn't matter what order it is put>

Description:

llandudno, Wales, UK August 08, 2013

 Seaside coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.


If you want it accepted then do it how they want it and not how you think it is surely good enough. Format it exactly like in the examples here and here. Not almost like. Start with a capital letter. Don't miss out the colon. Don't add a huge gap or make it a new paragraph.

Also - if you are going to bother, then why not try to craft a better caption about the coach trip? Reading it out loud to yourself should help. Two sentences often works well. You say a thing - and then you add something more but being careful to use different words so as to avoid repetition.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2013, 04:12 by bunhill »

« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2013, 06:02 »
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As bunhill says it has to be in the exact format they require. Think of it like typing a password. Near enough won't do. I would also agree with the advice to break it down into a couple of sentences, and make sure the sentences read OK. Apart from the rules, the caption could make the difference between having a sale or not. Short and to the point, with no repetition but with all the relevant information will do it.

Ron

« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2013, 06:05 »
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Follow the rules or dont submit. Bunhill is right

Phadrea

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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2013, 14:53 »
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I absolutely give up. Rejected again. They are taking the mickey now. Surely all the info is here they need to know. The next step would be to write fiction because that is all it is. A coach travelling with tourists in Wales.

This is the rejection (note UK is in there)

llandudno, Wales, UK August 08, 2013

An old British Leyland holiday coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

I am sending this to scout. Perhaps if they were not so vague as to why it has failed I would have a better idea.

« Last Edit: November 30, 2013, 14:58 by Herg »

« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2013, 15:00 »
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Why don't you read the advice in this thread and refer to the iStock instructions instead of trying to do it your own way and then getting cross ? Apart from your lousy English, you are not getting the format right.

Or is this a wind-up ? It is starting to seem like one.

ShadySue

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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2013, 15:17 »
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I absolutely give up. Rejected again. They are taking the mickey now. Surely all the info is here they need to know. The next step would be to write fiction because that is all it is. A coach travelling with tourists in Wales.

This is the rejection (note UK is in there)

llandudno, Wales, UK August 08, 2013

An old British Leyland holiday coach on the Great Orme road, Llandudno North Wales with driver giving a guided tour via a microphone to passengers on the coach who are looking out at the view out to sea.

I am sending this to scout. Perhaps if they were not so vague as to why it has failed I would have a better idea.

They really aren't vague.

Llandudno, Wales, UK August 08, 2013: (same line) An old British ...
« Last Edit: November 30, 2013, 15:30 by ShadySue »

« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2013, 15:24 »
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They really aren't vague.

Llandudno, Wales, UK August 08, 2013: (same line) An old British ...

Unfortunately I fear you are wasting your time. He doesn't ever listen.

Ron

« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2013, 15:26 »
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Herg, if you didnt capitalise the city name, it deserves a rejection. There is no room for sloppiness like that.

« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2013, 15:31 »
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And good luck sending it to scout - might get a response this time next year

« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2013, 15:35 »
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And good luck sending it to scout - might get a response this time next year


Probably thanks to it being spammed up with time wasters.

Phadrea

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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2013, 15:38 »
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And good luck sending it to scout - might get a response this time next year


Probably thanks to it being spammed up with time wasters.

I tell you what Bumhill, take your facetious insults elsewhere.

« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2013, 15:42 »
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And good luck sending it to scout - might get a response this time next year


Probably thanks to it being spammed up with time wasters.

I tell you what Bumhill, take your facetious insults elsewhere.

I have repeatedly tried to help you get this right as have others. And you have repeatedly, seemingly almost deliberately, ignored the advice. It becomes completely frustrating after a while. So why not just follow the examples and do it right instead of blaming them ?

« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2013, 16:27 »
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And good luck sending it to scout - might get a response this time next year


Probably thanks to it being spammed up with time wasters.

I tell you what Bumhill, take your facetious insults elsewhere.

Bumhill - ha!

The spirit of Beavis and Butthead lives on.

Phadrea

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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2013, 17:47 »
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Why don't you read the advice in this thread and refer to the iStock instructions instead of trying to do it your own way and then getting cross ? Apart from your lousy English, you are not getting the format right.

Or is this a wind-up ? It is starting to seem like one.

Can you please tell me where exactly i have used "lousy English"? If you were really trying to help In a genuine way I dont think you would choose to be so rude however frustrating.

Perhaps I should elaborate more:

I wandered lonely as a cloud along the great orme, llandudno and I saw in the distance the early morning sunlight catching the chorme of the slow approaching vintage bus on the horizon. I noticed the excited faces of passengers, like children on Christmas eve anticipating the panoramic view that was about to greet them yada yada yada yada yada............

Why would the lack of using a capital letter for llandudno make such a difference to the buyer?

Ron

« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2013, 17:51 »
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Why would the lack of using a capital letter for llandudno make such a difference to the buyer?
Are you for real? It's a spelling error.

This has to be a wind up.

Ron

« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2013, 17:55 »
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Why would the lack of using a capital letter for llandudno make such a difference to the buyer?
Are you for real? It's a spelling error.

This has to be a wind up.


Here http://www.economist.com/style-guide/capitals


ShadySue

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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2013, 18:07 »
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Why would the lack of using a capital letter for llandudno make such a difference to the buyer?
I'm sure the hyphen, the colon and the format of the date don't matter to many buyers either, but it's their ball so they can make the rules. Also it's more professional to have some sort of consistency, (though before you mention it, imported Getty files have different formatting and vastly different keywording standards. It's still their rules.)
Just give up individuality kick and follow their rules, or take your ball to a more compatible team.

« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2013, 10:08 »
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If you were really trying to help In a genuine way I dont think you would choose to be so rude however frustrating.

No I was genuinely trying to help. I like your pictures as I have told you previously on this forum. I certainly do not want to argue with you. Sorry to get annoyed.

If you want them to accept the picture then go back to the examples I linked to and you will quickly see where you are going wrong. If you do not get the format how they want it they will reject it.

Apart from the actual format, a well written caption is also potentially about SEO - either now or perhaps in the future. The point being that the words you use may help your picture to be found at some point. Therefore if 'vintage' is a significant word then yes you should include it IMO. Also make sure to carefully think through what other words or expressions are significant. It's a 'day trip' ? And avoid repetition.

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« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2013, 11:55 »
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If you were really trying to help In a genuine way I dont think you would choose to be so rude however frustrating.

No I was genuinely trying to help. I like your pictures as I have told you previously on this forum. I certainly do not want to argue with you. Sorry to get annoyed.

If you want them to accept the picture then go back to the examples I linked to and you will quickly see where you are going wrong. If you do not get the format how they want it they will reject it.

Apart from the actual format, a well written caption is also potentially about SEO - either now or perhaps in the future. The point being that the words you use may help your picture to be found at some point. Therefore if 'vintage' is a significant word then yes you should include it IMO. Also make sure to carefully think through what other words or expressions are significant. It's a 'day trip' ? And avoid repetition.

No problem. I take on board what you say and apologize for getting overly defensive.

« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2013, 12:01 »
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Thanks. Good luck.


 

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