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« on: February 25, 2008, 01:40 »
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Does anyone have a clue as what type and or brand of monitor the inspectors use when judging our work?
Is there a standard required by IS that they must adhere to?
Does IS supply them with equipment? Also what resolution might they be running?

I edit (at home) on a dual monitor set-up. A Dell 2007 Ultrasharp LCD on my left and a Samsung SyncMaster CRT on my right.
Both are calibrated with a Gretag MacBeth i1 using Eye-One Match.

I have found that no matter what, LCD screens have too much contrast to make an accurate print from.
If I do my critical editing on the CRT my prints are nearly dead-on.

Having said that though, if all the inspectors are using a contrasty LCD, then the proper work flow for IS would dictate that I edit for their eyes and use my LCD instead of the CRT. Final print quality be damned   ::)

I might also mention that at my office we use dual Eizo LCD monitors. Even identical monitors calibrated with the same equipment show variances from screen to screen. Very frustrating. We tested the high end graphics monitors from the same company, but they we not markedly superior.





« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2008, 01:54 »
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I don't know about what monitor they use, but I edit on a MacBook Pro laptop screen.  The rejections I generally get from iStock are "overfiltered", usually when they haven't been touched out the camera (I had a whole series of about twenty shots from the village where I lived, because the sky and the water were naturally dark blue during sunrise...).

I don't think you need a fantastic monitor to edit for stock.  Sure, it would be nice.  But if you get used to viewing other peoples work on your monitor to compare what yours should be looking like, you seen learn to work inspite of the limitations.

« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2008, 03:58 »
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I bet the IS inspectors (and probably all inspectors on ms sites) don't even have to calibrate their monitors.

« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2008, 04:08 »
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I don't know about what monitor they use, but I edit on a MacBook Pro laptop screen.  The rejections I generally get from iStock are "overfiltered", usually when they haven't been touched out the camera (I had a whole series of about twenty shots from the village where I lived, because the sky and the water were naturally dark blue during sunrise...)."
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That is also the rejection that I get most often.. and I shoot a Canon 5D in raw, convert in Lightroom and do my Photoshoping as sparingly as possible.  :'(

I have read before about some inspectors possibly rejecting shots that came too close to what they normally submit.
Frankly, I feel it is a conflict of interest to let a person who is an inspector also be a contributor. Or maybe a person that only does vector art could inspect photographs and vice versa.

josh_crestock

« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2008, 04:13 »
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Inspectors MUST calibrate their monitors. We use Spyder3 calibration on 24" Apple cinema displays. Again, all inspectors MUST have well calibrated monitors before they start inspecting. I'm confident this is the same across all agencies.

In the past, we started every day by cleaning screens for dust and coffee splashes.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2008, 04:18 by josh_crestock »

josh_crestock

« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2008, 04:22 »
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I have read before about some inspectors possibly rejecting shots that came too close to what they normally submit.
Frankly, I feel it is a conflict of interest to let a person who is an inspector also be a contributor. Or maybe a person that only does vector art could inspect photographs and vice versa.

You should report this if you ever feel this is happening to you. It should never happen, but if it does report it to the agency and provide as many facts as possible to help the moderators.

« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2008, 10:59 »
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The real problem is how to prove such a thing is going on, eh?




« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2008, 13:36 »
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The real problem is how to prove such a thing is going on, eh?

Why would anyone have to prove such a thing? It is simply matter of microstock sites and the owner/management there. If they want to look professionally, they have to have good inspectors with good gear and with a way to track whether inspectors are doing what they are supposed to.

So far, I think they are doing it... Sometime the thing ms owners want them to do is not exactly what we would like to see...

« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2008, 20:02 »
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I have used a number of laptops, that have all been a bit dark.  Then I bought a philips 19" which was unbelievably bright.  Personally I need to get a better calibrator than my cheapo colorplus one (I need to stop photoshop updating and reseting the proof to working cymk - aarggh!! :)

Anyway, there is a lot of inspectors on a quite a number of sites so I would expect a fair bit of variation, but for pc users the 24" dells seem popular for microstockers (and the dell 19" ultrasharps to a lesser extent). Not sure about mac users heard the 24" cinema displays mentioned a number of times.

Phil

« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2008, 20:25 »
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MY review daily work flow:

Clean screen
Calibrate monitor
Sip coffee
Start reviewing

SY

graficallyminded

« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2008, 20:36 »
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Does anyone have a clue as what type and or brand of monitor the inspectors use when judging our work?
Is there a standard required by IS that they must adhere to?
Does IS supply them with equipment? Also what resolution might they be running?

I edit (at home) on a dual monitor set-up. A Dell 2007 Ultrasharp LCD on my left and a Samsung SyncMaster CRT on my right.
Both are calibrated with a Gretag MacBeth i1 using Eye-One Match.

I have found that no matter what, LCD screens have too much contrast to make an accurate print from.
If I do my critical editing on the CRT my prints are nearly dead-on.

Having said that though, if all the inspectors are using a contrasty LCD, then the proper work flow for IS would dictate that I edit for their eyes and use my LCD instead of the CRT. Final print quality be damned   ::)

I might also mention that at my office we use dual Eizo LCD monitors. Even identical monitors calibrated with the same equipment show variances from screen to screen. Very frustrating. We tested the high end graphics monitors from the same company, but they we not markedly superior.






I have a very similar setup at work.  Both are viewsonic - I have a big CRT on the right, probably about a 19 or 20" standard, and then on the left I have a 22" widescreen.  The setup is pretty nice, check it out. 



The CRT is so much more accurate with color, than the LCD.  I notice that with some images, noise levels show up a lot more on the LCD as well - then when I view the same image on the CRT it looks perfect. 


« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2008, 21:16 »
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I got my toshiba laptop and a month later got it calibrated. I was very surprised by how much brand new laptop colors were improved by calibration. why not they were calibrated by the factory?  Now I calibrate every other week.

« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2008, 07:44 »
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I'm confident this is the same across all agencies.
It's like that on BigStock too. Although I like to look on my LCD for banding since it has higher contrast.

« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2008, 07:50 »
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The CRT is so much more accurate with color, than the LCD.  I notice that with some images, noise levels show up a lot more on the LCD as well - then when I view the same image on the CRT it looks perfect.

Well that's because an LCD has a higher contrast than a CRT. I always process my own shots on an LCD, also to see banding. If it's OK there, it will be very OK on CRT. Anyways, for web use, most customers will use LCD, so what's the point of doing postprocessing on CRT?

This message might be helpful. What do you guys use to calibrate an LCD?
« Last Edit: February 26, 2008, 07:55 by FlemishDreams »

« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2008, 08:11 »
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I use GretagMacbeth Eye-One

« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2008, 08:18 »
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Mine setup is dual screen to,  15.4" (1680x1050) laptop extended on 24" dell (1920x1200)... Sometimes open image on laptop display just for checkig because on big screen contrast, brightnes and colours are much better.


« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2008, 08:29 »
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Mine setup is dual screen to,  15.4" (1680x1050) laptop extended on 24" dell (1920x1200)... Sometimes open image on laptop display just for checkig because on big screen contrast, brightnes and colours are much better.




I envy all with big screens. alas i do not have space for it. I wonder if my laptop screen is adequate in terms of color correction, even with calibration ....

« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2008, 08:35 »
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I envy all with big screens. alas i do not have space for it. I wonder if my laptop screen is adequate in terms of color correction, even with calibration ....

Depends what laptop you have.  I've never had a rejection for colour problems (too saturated, wrong white balance etc) and as I said before, I use a MacBook Pro.  I do have another screen I sometimes use for gaming, but I don't think it's really that hot.  I certainly can't see a difference anwyay.  My laptop isn't caliberated either.

« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2008, 10:03 »
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I envy all with big screens. alas i do not have space for it. I wonder if my laptop screen is adequate in terms of color correction, even with calibration ....

It's amazing how much the big ones have come down in price.  I got a 22" high contrast Samsung a few months ago really cheap.  They were running a sale on the model and I got an open box one (tested at store), ended up getting a $500 monitor for $220.  I also have a Samsung 32" LCD HDTV in the office that is hooked to my computer (and the AV system).  Originally used the computer connection for gaming, but it is great for a final looksee on photos, pretty impractical to use it for much else.  For a bit I had it on my desk when my old CRT gave out, my computer felt like the IMAX, but it is a novelty that wears off quick as your neck wears our from having to turn your head to follow the mouse around.

« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2008, 11:26 »
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I've never had a rejection for colour problems (too saturated, wrong white balance etc) ... My laptop isn't caliberated either.

It isn't only about color. Calibration would also be about controlling the tonal response which will, for example, affect your ability to assess images for noise and artifacting.

(and the lighting, obviously) 

« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2008, 13:40 »
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Noise and artifacting is dead easy to spot on it.  I wonder if a pro monitor would show me more?  I certainly know when I'm likely to get a rejection (and I'm usually spot on for that sort of technical problem too).

I really should get a mouse and a desk though.  I'm going to get RSI from editing photos in bed one day!

graficallyminded

« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2008, 10:25 »
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You can get a 22" widescreen for $150 now on sale, just have to watch the local store sales circulars.  If you want a better brand name, you will have to pay a little more.  I need to upgrade to an LCD at home, my CRT is huge and sucks a lot of electricity im sure.

« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2008, 10:51 »
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You can get a 22" widescreen for $150 now on sale, just have to watch the local store sales circulars.  If you want a better brand name, you will have to pay a little more.  I need to upgrade to an LCD at home, my CRT is huge and sucks a lot of electricity im sure.

LCD buying is tough because the stores never calibrate and little differences in the settings can huge effects on the viewed product, and it is a little different than TV buying (for photos at least).  For HDTV's, contrast ratio is almost secondary to refresh rate and peak viewable angle, for a good photo monitor the refresh rate doesn't matter at all (though it does for gaming), nor does the peak angle (unless you get a little lazy sometimes), contrast ratio, color accuracy, and black point (related to contrast ratio, most LCD's struggle to reproduce black) are king.  Your best bet is almost always doing heavy research on line and walking into the store knowing what you want, the side by side comparisons generally aren't very good, at best they are randomly bad, at worst they are emphasizing their higher profit/higher priced monitors to unwitting consumers.  You are almost always safe with a good Dell (I do have a bad Dell LCD however at work, better than a CRT but not in the league of my Samsung), Samsung, or Sony, all tend to have great color, the deepest blacks, and high contrast.

« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2008, 14:04 »
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Well that's because an LCD has a higher contrast than a CRT. I always process my own shots on an LCD, also to see banding. If it's OK there, it will be very OK on CRT. Anyways, for web use, most customers will use LCD, so what's the point of doing postprocessing on CRT?[/quote]




While I agree that most customers will be viewing on a LCD for web use, if that were the only option for stock use, we would never sell anything other than an x-small image, eh?

I doubt that Yuri Acurs started using a 39 megapixel Hassi because he expects all his clients to only use his shots on the web. These resolutions are good for billboards and double truck magazine spreads.

Therefore color and sharpness need to be spot on. CRTs still rule for this with the exception of the very high end LCD units.

graficallyminded

« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2008, 16:45 »
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Waldo - thats interesting you say Sony and Samsung.  I agree - I always thought Samsung had a nice picture on their lcd's.   I wonder who makes Dell's monitors? 


 

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