What is this 216.2
Maybe will be better if we also know 2011 or 2012 numbers.
My photo friends (exclusives) have ALL big selling drops.
About non exclusives I really do not want to talk - last weak almost nothing nada zero.

And still 34.7 ?

According to the poll indies are about $20% up on exclusives.

Does/should that include GI sales?

I dont see an option to submit istock exclusive poll results on the poll page.

If you only fill in data for iStock the poll will assume you are exclusive.

It seems to suggest that if you are exclusive, your iStock income is seven times higher than it would be if you were independent. That's a pretty impressive set of handcuffs (but is Sean in there, skewing the figures?)

@ Tyler

I hate to ask you to do anything extra, as you already do so much, but I imagine this query about the exclusive number will just repeat over and over ad infinitum as new people see the list -unless you nip it in the bud. 

Is it possible to have an 'Indie Total' number added for an immediate comparision?

@ Tyler

I hate to ask you to do anything extra, as you already do so much, but I imagine this query about the exclusive number will just repeat over and over ad infinitum as new people see the list -unless you nip it in the bud. 

Is it possible to have an 'Indie Total' number added for an immediate comparision?

Problem is that all the indies will have different sites on their list, with different portfolio sizes on each.

Quote from: rubyroo on February 13, 2013, 08:02

@ Tyler

I hate to ask you to do anything extra, as you already do so much, but I imagine this query about the exclusive number will just repeat over and over ad infinitum as new people see the list -unless you nip it in the bud. 

Is it possible to have an 'Indie Total' number added for an immediate comparision?

Problem is that all the indies will have different sites on their list, with different portfolio sizes on each.

You can never have a direct comparison.
Different sizes of ports.
Different number of sites.
Hours spent indie vs excl.
Content of port (lots of high demand images vs lots of niche, lower demand images)
Medium/media (e.g. can't really compare a predominantly vector port with a predominantly photo port)

Problem is that all the indies will have different sites on their list, with different portfolio sizes on each.

So what? The "different portfolio sizes" is already part of the agency earnings rating.

You could still add up the individual poll result for each contributor and get a rating for the overall income. Would still help put things in perspective about indie total vs exclusive ratings.

Yes.  That's what I meant Matt.  I've only just realised that I might have been misunderstood.  Thanks for your clarity there. 

It seems to suggest that if you are exclusive, your iStock income is seven times higher than it would be if you were independent. That's a pretty impressive set of handcuffs (but is Sean in there, skewing the figures?)

I've never done it.  Never really knew what the poll was about, actually...

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on February 13, 2013, 08:34

You could still add up the individual poll result for each contributor and get a rating for the overall income. Would still help put things in perspective about indie total vs exclusive ratings.

Or just total up the Agency figures showing up on the left (including iStock indy) and put a category at the top 'Agencies combined' with it's earning rating - treat the total like a separate Agency. Simples :-)

Yeah, that seems like a good solution.

Quote from: mattdixon on February 13, 2013, 08:46

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on February 13, 2013, 08:34

You could still add up the individual poll result for each contributor and get a rating for the overall income. Would still help put things in perspective about indie total vs exclusive ratings.

Or just total up the Agency figures showing up on the left (including iStock indy) and put a category at the top 'Agencies combined' with it's earning rating - treat the total like a separate Agency. Simples :-)

Yeah, that seems like a good solution.

Cool, thanks Tyler.

Sorry don't mean to hassle you but is it worth adding Alamy to the Polls and Agency list? They might make a statistical difference over time.

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on February 13, 2013, 07:37

It seems to suggest that if you are exclusive, your iStock income is seven times higher than it would be if you were independent. That's a pretty impressive set of handcuffs (but is Sean in there, skewing the figures?)

I've never done it.  Never really knew what the poll was about, actually...

LOL! So now I can sit here working out how much more I would have made if I'd been exclusive for the last eight years! Lovely.

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Quote from: mattdixon on February 13, 2013, 08:46

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on February 13, 2013, 08:34

You could still add up the individual poll result for each contributor and get a rating for the overall income. Would still help put things in perspective about indie total vs exclusive ratings.

Or just total up the Agency figures showing up on the left (including iStock indy) and put a category at the top 'Agencies combined' with it's earning rating - treat the total like a separate Agency. Simples :-)

Yeah, that seems like a good solution.

Total using only the Top Tier Big 4? Or the Top and Middle tiers? I'm not sure I would do the whole list as I doubt many people submit to every agency. The Agency Combined needs to be somewhat representative of the market (albeit, the S&P and NASDAQ use different criteria for the stocks they select).

Leaf, to be sure I'm understand the meaning of the exclusive number (currently 222.1), it is still in a score of 100 = $500 a month? 

This means that the score 222.1 = 500 x 2.221 = $1,110.50 reported average income for an exclusive Istocker?

If so then the reported combined non-exclusive total (all the poll results with a number total excluding the exclusive Istock number) is 259.4 which = 500 x 2.594 = $1,297 reported average income for an independent?

correct.

It is a very broad average though.  The top limit of $2500 probably limits a lot of people, both on Shutterstock and for iStock exclusives (perhaps Fotolia as well for some).  Right now it looks like independents are earning a bit more, but in terms of how accurate the poll results are, they are essentially identical.  The poll is just meant to give a rough guide as to how the agencies stack up against each other.  The yearly microstock survey will give a better idea of how exclusive/non-exclusive compare.