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« on: September 16, 2009, 03:21 »
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Just wonder. I don't complain, I have good sales there but the upload and keyword processing is a bit annoying  >:(


« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 04:02 »
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It depends on several factors.  It is one of the best for me but I prefer shutterstock because they accept more of my images, like non-vector illustrations and they have made me more money.  If your images suit istock, it might be the best site for you.  The upload procedure doesn't bother me much, I am more interested in the amount of money I can make on the site.

« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 04:06 »
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I find Shutterstock overall to be the best financially, but you have to keep uploading new material to maintain a good cashflow. Istock is the most consistent with older portfolios.

« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 05:26 »
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I can't speak as to whether or not iStock is the "best" agency, as I'm exclusive there and have little experience with other sites - but if you find the upload and keywording annoying, try using DeepMeta instead.

See here http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=57564&page=1 for information.


« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2009, 05:38 »
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Everyone has their favorite.  There is no "best" for the entire population.

« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2009, 06:09 »
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iStock has always been my best earner. The uploading process and the weekly limits annoy me, but that's okay because of the good earnings. I don't "love" iStock, they have their quirks and annoyances.

I wish they would adjust the weekly limit of 25 images upwards. They could at least give some non-exclusives more uploads depending for example on high sales or low rejection ratio just so they would get more good stuff (my stuff!) in.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2009, 06:11 by Perry »

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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2009, 14:11 »
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Istock continues to be my best seller too.  I do find the uploading process tedious, and now especially the new model release requirements are adding significant time to my work flow there. 

But I continue to jump through the hoops because they are nearly 40% of my income. 

« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2009, 15:19 »
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I was independent for nearly 4 years and a year ago became exclusive with iStock.

In terms of earnings, overall iStock has (and had at the point I became exclusve) earned more than the others. Some months - when IS was fiddling with the best match and my sales there fell off a cliff - SS was top earner.  My focus is earnings - but over time, not just one week or month. How do I want to handle my business over the medium to long haul.

In terms of a pain in the butt quotient, I found all the agencies took their turn at putting various pot holes in the road :) Overall I found IS to be the best deal for me. I found some of the less than honorable dealings at some of the agencies (read the old posts here if anyone cares about the history) to be something I just didn't want to deal with any more. If you go read about the fiasco with Albumo, for example, agency integrity takes on a new meaning.

« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2009, 20:14 »
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Istock is definitely my top earning agency, 2-3 times more than the second best one.

Not only that, because it is no longer owned by an induvidual, if you encounter any problems, I assume you can ask someone else in the higher level to review the matter. I like their Scout sytem. Other than that, I have never dealt with anyone else so I cannot say for sure, it is my hope though.

« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 21:03 »
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For me yes.
-It's my best earner, from far.
-They have the best reviewers. I have the best acceptance ratio with IS. They take original photos that are rejected by others (funny but SS stars to accept more and more of them too).
 I can go to 6th level basement with one candle, take a photo and sell it at IS. Try to upload this to FT ;D
-Best searching engine. When I look for images I always do it at IS.
-I start to be a little bit afraid about legal questions. Now there is a lot of money at microstock. Money attract lawyers. Are all my photos ok for RF? Few dollars earning can cost much more in the court. With IS I'm more comfortable, they seem to know the subject, especially with new All Content Warranties.
-You will be surprise but I like their forum. They stay fixed on microstock. No Fifi, no show me third download on 17th after 6pm.
-They seem to be stable. No surprise "a la DT". The contract is respected. If there is something new you don't like you have option out.
-My images are no spread all over the world with no control and no information. Having photos on some Asian site is a little bit frightening.
-I like Vetta. Making expensive, high quality images makes sens now.

But there are the things I don't like :(:
- Disambiguation is painful.
- 20% for non exclusives and 40 % commissions for exclusives are too low.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2009, 21:29 by rene »

« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2009, 02:17 »
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...20% for non exclusives and 40 % commissions for exclusives are too low.
I agree, they should increase it by at least 10% but after being taken over by Getty, who only pay 20% to non-exclusives, that isn't going to happen.  It has given some of their rivals an excuse to cut our commissions, so we end up losing even more.  They spend lots on advertising but it does hurt when they take 80% of my earnings.  Going exclusive for less than 50% doesn't appeal to me.

« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2009, 09:37 »
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I'm new to microstock photograhy.  I've been uploading for just over 1 year.

Here's a list of the Agencies I work with in the order I joined:

1. Dreamstime
2. Fotolia
3. BigStock
4. Istock
5. Shutterstock
6. 123RF
7. Canstock
8. Snap Village --->Veer
9. StockXpert

I've only made it to one payout - at Shutterstock.  I'm within $20 from payout at DT, next comes I-Stock, then FT - both I'm trying to get to $100 and am 35 and 55 dollars away respectively.  The rest I've made less than $10.00 on.

So, I've have to say SS is my best seller.  They accept most of my images and the upload process is simple.  I usually keep 1 photo in the pending spot at all time because keeping a constant flow of new images boosts sales on this site.

DT is my second best earner, but my sales are pretty inconsistent there.  I love there site and the management team is very helpful.  IS is my third best earner, I am disappointed with how long the review process is at this site and the fact they are very strict in what they accept.  However, that being said, I'm EXTREMELY impressed with what they do accept making sales for me.  I have my smallest portfolio there (less than 50 files) but I've still earned over $65.  I like IS for the long run.  I believe my portfolio here will continue to bring sales long after my other images get burried at competitor sites.


« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2009, 13:51 »
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results really vary - over last 2 years my is portfolio went from 400 to 600 - sales were rarely better than 3rd or 4th [after dt, ss and usually BigStock], except fr 1 or 2 EL blips.  so i dont upl very often to is. 

once again, i'd strongly discourage newcomers from going exclusive - my sales lines weave in an ut for the top 8 that produce for me -- only dt and ss consistently come in 1st or 2nd.  the market is too volatile to risk it all w 1 agency for both near and far term.

« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2009, 15:43 »
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My experience is pretty much the same as sgcallaway1994's.

IStock has an artsy image, a nice looking web site, and some social networking fluff. Take that away, and you have a microstock that pays you 25 cents just like the others,  but -
 - takes 2 weeks to review an image
 - rejects a lot of images that the others accept
 - doesn't support FTP
 - has a tedious, rigid keywording system that just doesn't work with some images

Are they worth the hassles? The consensus is yes, but if they closed their doors tomorrow, I for one would not shed a tear.


KB

« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2009, 16:19 »
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My experience is pretty much the same as sgcallaway1994's.

IStock has an artsy image, a nice looking web site, and some social networking fluff. Take that away, and you have a microstock that pays you 25 cents just like the others,  but -
 - takes 2 weeks to review an image
 - rejects a lot of images that the others accept
 - doesn't support FTP
 - has a tedious, rigid keywording system that just doesn't work with some images

Can't agree with most of what you wrote, but as always, YMMV:

 - 25 cents
Maybe you're getting IS mixed up with other sites that pay you pennies for sub sales and let the buyer take the largest size available? My overall average RPD at IS is $1.06, ranging from $0.80 back in '07 (when prices were lower) to $1.17 last month.

 - 2 weeks to review an image
I've seen as short as 3 days and as long as about 12. The average is 6-7.

- Rejects a lot of images that others accept
My experience is exactly opposite. IS accepts far more of my images than do DT, FT, or even SS. At the current pace, my port at DT & FT will be 1/2 the size it is at IS before year's end. (It doesn't help that I've stopped uploading at DT and FT .... ;D)

- doesn't support FTP
Who cares when you have Deep Meta? Even if they had FTP, I'd still use DM.

- Tedious keywording system that just doesn't work with some images
Well, if you don't use DM, I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. Even if you do, it is true that some images -- very, very few, but some -- don't fit well with the CV. But I still prefer having a CV to not having one. Other than the image itself, keywording and a good search system is the single most important factor in your image being found.  As databases become larger and larger, this is going to become an even more critical factor in buyers migrating to IS from their competitors. With the CV and proper keywording, it's possible to more quickly drill down to the images you are looking for. On most competitor's sites, it can be a nightmare. The CV is far from perfect, but it continues to get better every month.

I guess it goes without saying (though that won't stop me from saying it) that IS is my favorite site. They've accounted for 30% - 40% of my income since I joined them (well, a few months after), they have the only forums I find worth reading on any micro site, and their reviewers are the best (and most consistent) in the biz. That doesn't mean they accept every image I submit (my AR is still struggling to get over 80% there), but it does mean that when I get a rejection it's usually for a reason that I have to reluctantly (or sometimes enthusiastically, as in OOPS!) agree with. Rejections at DT, FT, and SS usually result more in "what was the reviewer smoking?" reactions.

But 20% commissions do suck.

« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2009, 16:30 »
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So far my best seller at IS has sold 14 times. 9 of those sales paid under 30 cents (29,28, 23 and even 1 for 10 cents).   Woo hoo.

My last review time was almost 2 weeks. I've never seen 3 days. Maybe they don't like me.

Deep Meta? I can already use my FTP program to upload to all the other sites.  I guess the advantage to Deep Meta is that you do your keywording with it too. If IS would accept my embedded keywords like the others do, there's be no value to DM.

CV - I mostly shoot objects, and if the object isn't in the CV, what do you do? I wanted to submit a nice shot of some colorful skeins of yarn. But "yarn" isn't in the CV.  Oh well.

IS isn't evil, they just make you jump through a lot more hopes than the other sites - but they don't pay you any more.

« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2009, 16:36 »
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But 20% commissions do suck.
And given IS is a good earner for us, you can imagine how much money they are doing - even if they spend more in advertisement (as it's always the explanation given for our low share).


 

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