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Title: Is your September down?
Post by: oxman on September 18, 2012, 12:52
I was kinda expecting September sales to be impressive with summer over but I am way down from my forecast here at mid-September.
It looks like IS is jerking around the search algorithms like a monkey on crack.

How is your September going so far?

OX
...not sure if monkeys really do crack
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: lisafx on September 18, 2012, 13:47
Bad.  Maybe even worse than August.  Certainly not the post summer bump I normally expect. 
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: JPSDK on September 18, 2012, 13:49
It is the same. There was a small surge in the beginning of september but it has vanished now.
Sales are slowing down all across the board.
Which means, you should look around to find other outlets.

Its simple, there are too many photos online, and too many who do it.
Also we cannot compete with free pictures from FB and Flickr.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Freedom on September 18, 2012, 14:09
I am not surprised September is not as good as we hope because IS is tweaking the site. This is not a good time of the year to carry out site improvement.

My September is better than the summer months but it will not reach the level of the spring months.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: KB on September 18, 2012, 14:16
I had a poor June -- worst month of the year -- but July and August picked up considerably and were very good. But it's actually looking like September is going to be worse than June.  :(
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on September 18, 2012, 14:21
you should look around to find other outlets.

Its simple, there are too many photos online, and too many who do it.
Also we cannot compete with free pictures from FB and Flickr.

That pretty much sums it up.  I read an online article the other day from a major organization where almost all of the photo credits were to flickr users, presumably used for free.  We can't compete with that, when a lot of good photographers inexplicably give their work away for free.  Crazy.

September for me is mainly OK so far, due to some unexpected (but very welcome) activity at Veer.  SS steady, iS in at #2, 123 and DT both off but fighting for #3. Slow sales elsewhere.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: blamb on September 18, 2012, 14:32
I don't want to be accused of hyperbole, so I'll just politely describe September so far as a "DEATH SPIRAL."
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: leaf on September 18, 2012, 14:39
I think this month will prove to be OK but it's only half over.. 2 more weeks to know for sure.

This month has a bit of a disadvantage too however, only 30 days and 5 weekends.  Next month is 31 days and only 4 weekends.  That makes an extra 3 days of good sales (10%) which is pretty significant.  I'm putting my chips in for October being the top month this year.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: dhanford on September 18, 2012, 14:50
They broke the site.  The Lightbox feature is half broke.  The zoom on images is totally broke.  Are you going to buy an image that you can't get a good look at?
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: velocicarpo on September 18, 2012, 15:08
Way down. Frustrating and Depressing. Markets seem to be like frozen. Glad not to be the only one...
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: gostwyck on September 18, 2012, 15:15
I think this month will prove to be OK but it's only half over.. 2 more weeks to know for sure.

This month has a bit of a disadvantage too however, only 30 days and 5 weekends.  Next month is 31 days and only 4 weekends.  That makes an extra 3 days of good sales (10%) which is pretty significant.  I'm putting my chips in for October being the top month this year.

... and September started with the US's Labor Day weekend too.

I'm currently projected to be nearly 40% down on last September at Istock. If things stay as they are then it will be my worst September there since 2006. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: wds on September 18, 2012, 15:20
Way down from August, clearly site related, market conditions simply don't change drastically overnight.

On a related note, regarding the broken zoom on iS, does SS even allow you to zoom?
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: rene on September 18, 2012, 19:18
No sales in last 5 days! It never happened to me. Sometimes, on weekend day I had 0 sales but never on week day.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: noodle on September 18, 2012, 19:43
Start of Sept was good - but for the past week or so, EVERY site has totally crapped out for me...
very strange
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: aeonf on September 18, 2012, 20:46
"down" is an understatement.
Worse month in years!
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: tavi on September 19, 2012, 01:35
   After a good first week, it's preety dead now. IS is dead, 2 sale in 12 days(the same day) after in the first week I had sales every day. Now my redeemed credits have gone down, I don't know why, as the money are still the same. FT down after a first good week of september. Only SS is steady, eventhough the first week was the best, but it's selling.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Wim on September 19, 2012, 01:47
Don't ask  :'(

All sites are average but SS is the only one down with a complete lack of EL's. Reminds me of Lisa's post a while back.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Druid on September 19, 2012, 02:21
So far its been a dead loss, IS and 123rf most disappointing. Not even getting any views on IS (what are they up to?).

Started to pick up a bit yesterday with quite a few sales so lets hope it continues.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ShadySue on September 19, 2012, 02:46
So far its been a dead loss, IS and 123rf most disappointing. Not even getting any views on IS (what are they up to?).
Views is one of the things they broke when they introduced Cash Sales. There seems to be no alacrity in fixing anything there - that's two weeks now.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ShadySue on September 19, 2012, 02:50
Now my redeemed credits have gone down, I don't know why, as the money are still the same.
You probably got a boost last week but didn't notice.
I had approx 400 RCs added last week and couldn't work them out, but now they're away again. No email, no explanation. There have been posts about it in the bugs thread in the Help forum over there.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: tavi on September 19, 2012, 08:15
   I finally got a sale at IS. After 6 days. So it's site related, I don't know if it is a bug, but yesterday I've noticed I got some views after many many days without.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: RacePhoto on September 19, 2012, 10:13
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Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Bauman on September 19, 2012, 10:48
   I finally got a sale at IS. After 6 days. So it's site related, I don't know if it is a bug, but yesterday I've noticed I got some views after many many days without.

Yes, yesterday i've got three sales after 6 days and today another ... but IS has many bugs after recent update (zoom, lightbox ...)
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Minerva Studio on September 19, 2012, 10:53
IS is getting worse and worse. But I don't give a * since it is a bottom tier for me.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: michaeldb on September 19, 2012, 11:35
IS is getting worse and worse. But I don't give a * since it is a bottom tier for me.
+1 IS will soon fall below Vectorstock for me.

I do illustrations, and so far in Sept sales at most second tier sites are way down. However, SS, DT, CanStockPhoto, and FT are holding up well. No big September boost, but not bad. At SS, 1 EL, and the single downloads are up a bit from August.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ShadySue on September 19, 2012, 11:41
Dreadful August, but September is down, down, deeper & down.
 >:(
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: lisafx on September 19, 2012, 12:21
I am really grateful to Oxman for starting this thread.  Normally September is a nice jump after the slow summer months.  Somehow knowing that it isn't just me is a bit of a relief. 
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Sadstock on September 19, 2012, 16:49
I'm having an unbelievably bad week at IS.  FT is outselling them 10 to 1. 
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: dbvirago on September 19, 2012, 17:54
Two of my top 10 images are in my top 10 due to sales at Istock. For years, they competed with DT for the #2 spot. Since January, every month has been worse than the month before descending to a total in August of about 10% of my BME. In September, I have sold exactly 3 images for a total of $3.86, which is worse than my 1st month there back in March of 2006.

They have become irrelevant to me.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ShadySue on September 19, 2012, 18:40
I really must complain on here more often.
I got a good EL on an E+file after I'd written the above, though it's my ONLY sale of the day.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on September 19, 2012, 19:23
This month SS is trouncing IS (SS is 45% more than IS - almost 1.5x even given one EL from IS). But the last two days at IS have been really good - good in comparison to terrible, not all time good.

I noticed there were old files in the mix - looking at my last 20 sales, I have every year from 2004 to 2012 represented in the sales. Perhaps people with only newer files are getting hit by some best match change?
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Sadstock on September 19, 2012, 23:40
This month SS is trouncing IS (SS is 45% more than IS - almost 1.5x even given one EL from IS). But the last two days at IS have been really good - good in comparison to terrible, not all time good.

I noticed there were old files in the mix - looking at my last 20 sales, I have every year from 2004 to 2012 represented in the sales. Perhaps people with only newer files are getting hit by some best match change?

-----------------------------------------------
My last twenty have a good age distribution 2006 to 2012, so I don't think its a new file thing.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: emblem on September 20, 2012, 01:29
August was terrible...so far September has only been approaching average.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ClaridgeJ on September 20, 2012, 02:39
I doubt very much this has got anything to do with recession or the global financial troubles. Its not as if we are selling cars or houses but just pictures that anybody can afford.
Now is the time when corporate designers, advertising agencies, companies in general start planning for profiles, annuals and all sorts of promos.
Right now business should be booming, its not so something is wrong in our gebit.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ShadySue on September 20, 2012, 04:25
This month SS is trouncing IS (SS is 45% more than IS - almost 1.5x even given one EL from IS). But the last two days at IS have been really good - good in comparison to terrible, not all time good.

I noticed there were old files in the mix - looking at my last 20 sales, I have every year from 2004 to 2012 represented in the sales. Perhaps people with only newer files are getting hit by some best match change?

The best match isn't uniformly the same and hasn't been for a while now.
Some BMs have at least the top two or three lines identical to 'new', and others have a strong bias towards high-sellers.
Hard to establish if there's any pattern which is which, compounded by the apparent 'geographical bias' of searches.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ShadySue on September 20, 2012, 04:34
I wonder if the IT wallahs are on strike. Over two weeks and not only has even the stuff they deliberately disabled to get the Cash Sales started (zoom and lightbox)[1] not been reinstated, but many more bugs have been reported (I've noticed a lot of search bugs, not on their list, but of course I can't post them) and they seem to have made NO headway in sorting any of them.

Unless they confound us all and get the whole thing working perfectly in one fell swoop.

[1] Best quote on that:
"It's like me buying a freezer and finding out that my stereo no longer works"
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: qwerty on September 20, 2012, 04:55
September is terrible, accross the board not only limited to Istock.
I started in 2007 with an even mix of submission across the years.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: luissantos84 on September 20, 2012, 08:11
projected earnings for September:

SS (down 40%)
IS (down 5%)
FT (down 10%)
123RF (down 37%)
DT (down 38%)

looks like a terrible month, no ELs or big sales so far, August had 23 week days, September only 20
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: lisafx on September 20, 2012, 09:11
I'm having an unbelievably bad week at IS. .

Ditto. 

Sept. started out slow for me across the board, but the other sites are picking up nicely this week and Istock is getting worse and worse. 

Seeing as it seems to be happening to others too, I suspect it is still the fallout from the lingering IT problems.  If this isn't some secret plan to send buyers to TS, it is one royal F/up. 
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: John W. on September 20, 2012, 09:20
projected earnings for September:

SS (down 40%)
IS (down 5%)
FT (down 10%)
123RF (down 37%)
DT (down 38%)

looks like a terrible month, no ELs or big sales so far, August had 23 week days, September only 20

Do you add EL's when calculating months total? Excluding EL's in your earnings % might give a better picture. At least that's how I keep track of site performances. So far only IS is down for me.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: luissantos84 on September 20, 2012, 09:25
projected earnings for September:

SS (down 40%)
IS (down 5%)
FT (down 10%)
123RF (down 37%)
DT (down 38%)

looks like a terrible month, no ELs or big sales so far, August had 23 week days, September only 20

Do you add EL's when calculating months total? Excluding EL's in your earnings % might give a better picture. At least that's how I keep track of site performances. So far only IS is down for me.

I agree but I always have ELs/SODs, if I donīt think of them, SS will be 20% down
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: stocker2011 on September 20, 2012, 09:30
Terrible month here as well.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: rubyroo on September 20, 2012, 09:53
Sales are fine, but rejections are inexplicably and hugely increased at iStock.  The current pattern doesn't fit my usual experience at all, and I'm wondering if there's been a change in acceptance criteria.  Anyone else seeing this?

It's annoying that I can't see what's actually sold in a number of cases.  Presumably these are the new-fangled credit card sales.  Some nice numbers coming in, so it would be good to see what I'm being paid for.

Sorry to hear others are having a bad month.  For some reason I'm often out of kilter with everyone else... at times when most here are reporting a great month, I'm in a slump.  No idea why.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: jjneff on September 20, 2012, 09:53
iStock is doing well on the Footage side for me this month. Last month was a train wreck!!!!
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: oxman on September 20, 2012, 09:54
I doubt very much this has got anything to do with recession or the global financial troubles. Its not as if we are selling cars or houses but just pictures that anybody can afford.
Now is the time when corporate designers, advertising agencies, companies in general start planning for profiles, annuals and all sorts of promos.
Right now business should be booming, its not so something is wrong in our gebit.

From my experience, companies are planning budgets for marketing in early September and projects soon follow. I am hoping that is what is going on. Also, it appears IS is tweaking search these days. If we are all seeing low sales, they have to see it too. Hopefully things will get better soon.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: scottdunlap on September 20, 2012, 11:45
I am also way down. At this rate, I'd guess I'll make about 2/3 what a normal September would bring.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: JoEr on September 20, 2012, 17:23
September will probably be one of my worst months since I became exclusive in 2010.

I hope I'm just a little paranoid but I really get the feeling that iStock is in big BIG trouble... the site is slow, lots of bugs, many contributors complaining about sales decreasing. Many glitches and bugs take several months to fix. The PNG and logo projects were cancelled. They don't perform major site updates on weekends, which is pretty much standard procedure for any serious e-business.

To me it feels like a company with a very poor organization and/or lots of incompetent people. Or it could also be the signs of a company that is in the process of being shut down, but I find that hard to believe.

But the situation really reminds me of my time at an Ericsson cellphone factory many years ago. We were not informed that the factory was being shut down and that the production would move abroad. But you could tell that something was going on for several months before it actually closed. Machines were not fixed properly, organization was bad, the production rate was really low at times and nobody really seemed to care. But again, I don't see why Getty would close iStock.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: gostwyck on September 20, 2012, 18:08
^^^ It is undoubtedly the case that IS has fewer resources than it had in the past by virtue of them 'letting go' about 30 staff several months ago. I know some functions were withdrawn to Getty HQ but it is reasonable to assume that falling revenues were mainly responsible. In contrast, expanding businesses (like SS for example), tend to be recruiting non-stop.

I monitor a few portfolios, as well as my own, and I know that the fall in sales compared to a year or two ago is extraordinary. The multiple price increases, erroding of commissions via the RC system and the latest exchange-rate sleight-of-hand for cash sales will all help to prop up their profitability ... but only for so long. They might disguise the effect but not the cause. I reckon Istock are seriously f**ked in the longer term. Within 5 years they will be largely irrelevant.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: traveler1116 on September 20, 2012, 19:18
I'm curious since a lot of people are saying IS is losing sooo many buyers and about to become irrelevant have your sales elsewhere gone up a lot?  People still need images even if they don't buy from IS so I would expect to see huge gains on other sites if that was true.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Digital66 on September 20, 2012, 20:31
I'm curious since a lot of people are saying IS is losing sooo many buyers and about to become irrelevant have your sales elsewhere gone up a lot?  People still need images even if they don't buy from IS so I would expect to see huge gains on other sites if that was true.
Some people in this forum have been wishing the fall of Istock for a long time.  Everytime sales are down for some, they start talking about how buyers and suppliers are leaving in droves, and how iStock will fall soon.   

Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ClaridgeJ on September 21, 2012, 01:06
I'm curious since a lot of people are saying IS is losing sooo many buyers and about to become irrelevant have your sales elsewhere gone up a lot?  People still need images even if they don't buy from IS so I would expect to see huge gains on other sites if that was true.


I completely agree. We keep hearing buyers are leaving, exclusives are leaving and the place is falling apart. Yet no other site show any gigantic increase but rather the opposite.
Yes exclusives are leaving but at the same time I know of two photographers who just signed on for exclusivity.
Sometimes I feel we are led down the garden path with all these predictions.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: gostwyck on September 21, 2012, 10:01
I'm curious since a lot of people are saying IS is losing sooo many buyers and about to become irrelevant have your sales elsewhere gone up a lot?  People still need images even if they don't buy from IS so I would expect to see huge gains on other sites if that was true.

Yes indeed they have __ at Shutterstock. Pretty much every month at SS results in a significant increase for me over the same month the previous year. Over the last 27 months there has only been one month (a minor blip in Dec 2011) that has not shown an increase over the previous year. How many contributors with mature portfolios at IS can say that? Not me for sure.

Over the same 27 months my income at SS has roughly doubled whereas at IS it has roughly halved. Looking at my data it is difficult to not come to the conclusion that the two issues are related. If that trend continues for a few more years then IS will certainly become irrelevant for me.

I see no desire or willingness from 'HQ Team' at Istock to take the action necessary to address the situation either. They appear to be chasing short-term targets with ever more price increases and thinly-veiled reductions in contributors' commissions. We've had two of the latter in the last month alone. Leaving the RC targets for 2012 'the same', when sales are reducing, is effectively an increase to those targets and a reduction in what they'll be paying out to contributors. Then there has been the exchange-rate (on cash sales) sleight-of-hand too __ up to 18% extra for Istock and nothing for the artist. Why do so many contributors remain so blindly loyal to IS when they are being screwed further with every announcement from HQ?

I also think that the total volume of microstock images being sold each year has reduced. It's an economic truism that when something is cheap people buy more of it and when prices rise they buy less. Add 'these straightened times' into the equation and it is hardly surprising that volume of sales might be falling.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: RT on September 21, 2012, 10:26
I've seen my sales numbers (downloads) at SS increase in comparison to my sales at iS decrease by a similar amount, which has netted me less money overall because the RPI is higher at iS. I've seen other established contributors mentioning how their overall income is dropping from previous years so I presume this is the cause.
iS is the obvious one to blame by losing buyers as a result of their management skills, but let's not forget we haven't had a commission increase from SS in what 3-4 years, and I doubt we will because as we all know the more the buyers utilize their subscription allowance at SS the less money they make.
Can't see it getting any better unless the new 'owners' at iS make a considerable change which I don't think will happen.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: lisafx on September 21, 2012, 12:25
I've seen my sales numbers (downloads) at SS increase in comparison to my sales at iS decrease by a similar amount, which has netted me less money overall because the RPI is higher at iS. I've seen other established contributors mentioning how their overall income is dropping from previous years so I presume this is the cause.

It is certainly the case with me.  Until this year, IS was always my number 1 site.  Now it is SS, and even with the increase in numbers there, and the OD and EL sales, I am still not seeing income like I got at Istock, where my income has literally halved over the course of the past couple of years. 

Another place I have seen a steady increase in downloads is the Partner Program.  I have only been in it a bit over a year, but in that time I have seen the number of downloads steadily increase.  When you consider how many independent images they have been shuttling over there in the past year, to continue to see steadily increasing sales numbers on essentially the same size portfolio is revealing. 
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: fotografer on September 21, 2012, 12:40
I've seen my sales numbers (downloads) at SS increase in comparison to my sales at iS decrease by a similar amount, which has netted me less money overall because the RPI is higher at iS. I've seen other established contributors mentioning how their overall income is dropping from previous years so I presume this is the cause.

It is certainly the case with me.  Until this year, IS was always my number 1 site.  Now it is SS, and even with the increase in numbers there, and the OD and EL sales, I am still not seeing income like I got at Istock, where my income has literally halved over the course of the past couple of years. 

Another place I have seen a steady increase in downloads is the Partner Program.  I have only been in it a bit over a year, but in that time I have seen the number of downloads steadily increase.  When you consider how many independent images they have been shuttling over there in the past year, to continue to see steadily increasing sales numbers on essentially the same size portfolio is revealing.
IS always used to be my best earner, then as it dropped Ft took over, then as that dropped DT took over but now for the first time for me SS is consistenly my best earner.   I never understood why everybody thought that SS was so good but now I do.  The PP is also steadily increasing for me earning me about a third of my total IS earning.  Not really happy about it though.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: dbvirago on September 21, 2012, 15:37
I'm curious since a lot of people are saying IS is losing sooo many buyers and about to become irrelevant have your sales elsewhere gone up a lot?  People still need images even if they don't buy from IS so I would expect to see huge gains on other sites if that was true.

My sales at other sites have held steady or grown slightly. At SS, my numbers are back to pre-slump days. Haven't had a BME there this year, but I've come close several times and June, July and August were all strong.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: JoEr on September 21, 2012, 16:16
So what could be the strategy at iStock? Nothing they do make any sense. Are they really raising prices just to compensate for fewer sales? Isn't the first thing you learn at any business school that such a strategy is not a very good idea, especially in the long run? Or am I missing something? And all these confusing and extra expensive collections they have... what the heck is that all about? What are they trying to achieve? I need answers, gosh darnit!

I'm going insane from the uncertainty when it comes to iStock... will the situation improve? will they be as tiny as the low earners in a couple of years? Is it time to leave exclusivity? Questions, questions...
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ShadySue on September 21, 2012, 16:36
So what could be the strategy at iStock?

"The sky has fallen."
Officially confirmed by Lobo when repeatedly asked why iStock has not delivered on their promise to reward people who have reached their next target 'immediately':
"We know you all worked hard BLINDLY for months to make sure you reached the next target. Our delays aren't intentional and I personally apologize for letting this issue drop while the rest of the sky was falling."
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=346693&page=5#post6746345 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=346693&page=5#post6746345)
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: w7lwi on September 21, 2012, 20:33
How can you be any worse than abysmal?  The only agencies doing worse for me are GL and DP.  And IS is giving them a run for their money in the ongoing race to the bottom.  Everyone else is doing fine and SS is on track for a BME in both quantity and dollars.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Poncke on September 22, 2012, 02:27
How can you be any worse than abysmal?  The only agencies doing worse for me are GL and DP.  And IS is giving them a run for their money in the ongoing race to the bottom.  Everyone else is doing fine and SS is on track for a BME in both quantity and dollars.
There are certainly contributors complaining on SS as well. Chris Lagerek, Mister Elements, Adrian Grosu, loads of others. There are threads started every week on sales dropping on SS. The only thing different is that there is an equal number of people reporting BMEs at SS.
I am gearing up for a BME at SS, but I only started 6 months ago. DP, CanStockPhoto, FT and 123RF have completely dried up for me on the other hand. I cant put my finger on it. And I do not submit to IS. After reading MSG for a few months, I think thats the best decision to make right now.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: john_woodcock on September 22, 2012, 03:08
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And I do not submit to IS. After reading MSG for a few months, I think thats the best decision to make right now.

Why would that be the best decision? I am curious to know. Surely if you are non-exclusive the best tactic is to have images on every site, or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: JPSDK on September 22, 2012, 03:25
IF they produce sales.
And if they govern your copyright decently.
And IF they dont annoy you too much.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Poncke on September 22, 2012, 04:09
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And I do not submit to IS. After reading MSG for a few months, I think thats the best decision to make right now.

Why would that be the best decision? I am curious to know. Surely if you are non-exclusive the best tactic is to have images on every site, or am I missing something?

John, the bugs, the low commission, the keywording, the release policy, the drop in sales. The iStock forum here is the most active and I think 90% is full with complaints about IS. I dont want to expose myself to IS, I couldnt deal with it. I am having a hard time dealing with FT and DT already. They annoy me to no end. Already cut DT for that reason. As Jens pointed it out, they would annoy me too much. So thats why for me it was a good decision not to join them. The money would not make up for the aggravation. I have read the forums at IS, its full of complaining contributors. I dont want become one of them. And thats not a jab or negative comment towards the contributors, but towards IS.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: john_woodcock on September 22, 2012, 05:16
OK, fairy nuff.I personally wouldn't set too much store by some of the whinging here, whilst I agree there is a fair amount to whinge about, some of the complaints here border on the ludicrous IMHO. Low commission, have you seen what SS pay? Bugs exist everywhere ( again, see SS complaints), key wording? I don't see a problem there particularly, the release policy? You need a release for figures, is that a problem? Sales down, a lot of people here say they're down everywhere. I'd actually prefer new people not to sign up as IS, but you have to read between the lines here as far as comments go.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Poncke on September 22, 2012, 05:32
SS pays between 23% and 27% commission, this was calculated by Leaf and confirmed by someone from SS. I know SS is buggy too, but I am already with them, and the sales are ok for me and increasing. IS would pay me 15% commission. The model release system, where you need to upload a model release per shoot, almost per photo, and for every photo with different people, differently combined releases is just too much for me. I couldnt even upload 30% of my portfolio because I have general MRs not suitable for IS. Overall its just not going to work for me.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: leaf on September 22, 2012, 05:44
SS pays between 23% and 27% commission, this was calculated by Leaf and confirmed by someone from SS. I know SS is buggy too, but I am already with them, and the sales are ok for me and increasing. IS would pay me 15% commission. The model release system, where you need to upload a model release per shoot, almost per photo, and for every photo with different people, differently combined releases is just too much for me. I couldnt even upload 30% of my portfolio because I have general MRs not suitable for IS. Overall its just not going to work for me.

having to upload releases every time you submit a photo seems a bit stone age.. but you do use DeepMeta don't you?  If you don't, you're crazy.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Poncke on September 22, 2012, 05:51
I dont, I am not with IS
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: fotografer on September 22, 2012, 07:12
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And I do not submit to IS. After reading MSG for a few months, I think thats the best decision to make right now.

Why would that be the best decision? I am curious to know. Surely if you are non-exclusive the best tactic is to have images on every site, or am I missing something?

John, the bugs, the low commission, the keywording, the release policy, the drop in sales. The iStock forum here is the most active and I think 90% is full with complaints about IS. I dont want to expose myself to IS, I couldnt deal with it. I am having a hard time dealing with FT and DT already. They annoy me to no end. Already cut DT for that reason. As Jens pointed it out, they would annoy me too much. So thats why for me it was a good decision not to join them. The money would not make up for the aggravation. I have read the forums at IS, its full of complaining contributors. I dont want become one of them. And thats not a jab or negative comment towards the contributors, but towards IS.
Just upload and forget about it except to go in every now and again to request a pay out. That's what I do.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on September 22, 2012, 08:01
How can you be any worse than abysmal?  The only agencies doing worse for me are GL and DP.  And IS is giving them a run for their money in the ongoing race to the bottom.  Everyone else is doing fine and SS is on track for a BME in both quantity and dollars.
There are certainly contributors complaining on SS as well. Chris Lagerek, Mister Elements, Adrian Grosu, loads of others. There are threads started every week on sales dropping on SS. The only thing different is that there is an equal number of people reporting BMEs at SS.
I am gearing up for a BME at SS, but I only started 6 months ago. DP, CanStockPhoto, FT and 123RF have completely dried up for me on the other hand. I cant put my finger on it. And I do not submit to IS. After reading MSG for a few months, I think thats the best decision to make right now.

Chris Lagerek complain?  No!  Tell me it can't be so - he would never complain  ;D

It sounds like skipping iS is right for you.  For me, they are a very strong #2 after SS.  In fact, I've made more there so far this year than I have lifetime on any agency except for SS.  Uploading there is a nuisance even with DeepMeta but it's still worth it so far.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: WarrenPrice on September 22, 2012, 10:16
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And I do not submit to IS. After reading MSG for a few months, I think thats the best decision to make right now.

Why would that be the best decision? I am curious to know. Surely if you are non-exclusive the best tactic is to have images on every site, or am I missing something?

John, the bugs, the low commission, the keywording, the release policy, the drop in sales. The iStock forum here is the most active and I think 90% is full with complaints about IS. I dont want to expose myself to IS, I couldnt deal with it. I am having a hard time dealing with FT and DT already. They annoy me to no end. Already cut DT for that reason. As Jens pointed it out, they would annoy me too much. So thats why for me it was a good decision not to join them. The money would not make up for the aggravation. I have read the forums at IS, its full of complaining contributors. I dont want become one of them. And thats not a jab or negative comment towards the contributors, but towards IS.
Just upload and forget about it except to go in every now and again to request a pay out. That's what I do.

Sage advice
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ClaridgeJ on September 22, 2012, 12:28
How can you be any worse than abysmal?  The only agencies doing worse for me are GL and DP.  And IS is giving them a run for their money in the ongoing race to the bottom.  Everyone else is doing fine and SS is on track for a BME in both quantity and dollars.
There are certainly contributors complaining on SS as well. Chris Lagerek, Mister Elements, Adrian Grosu, loads of others. There are threads started every week on sales dropping on SS. The only thing different is that there is an equal number of people reporting BMEs at SS.
I am gearing up for a BME at SS, but I only started 6 months ago. DP, CanStockPhoto, FT and 123RF have completely dried up for me on the other hand. I cant put my finger on it. And I do not submit to IS. After reading MSG for a few months, I think thats the best decision to make right now.

Must be back to normal at SS. The same people are now reporting great earnings. I have to say if I had a big portfolio, thousands of files and the search, any search sabotaged the income. I would not be too happy.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: john_woodcock on September 22, 2012, 14:32
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SS pays between 23% and 27% commission,

I'm talking amounts, not percentages.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: lisafx on September 22, 2012, 17:42
but you do use DeepMeta don't you?  If you don't, you're crazy.

Call be crazy then.  I tried Deepmeta, after all the rave reviews of it on here.  It didn't seem to save me much time.  I already have a system at IS and DM just added to the PITA factor, IMO.  Maybe it takes getting used to...?
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: gostwyck on September 22, 2012, 18:01
but you do use DeepMeta don't you?  If you don't, you're crazy.

Call be crazy then.  I tried Deepmeta, after all the rave reviews of it on here.  It didn't seem to save me much time.  I already have a system at IS and DM just added to the PITA factor, IMO.  Maybe it takes getting used to...?

I'm 'crazy' too. Couldn't really see the point of DM. It was just adding an additional process to supposedly make the original process easier/quicker and any net gain was probably an illusion. It's the slowness of the Istock site and the existence of the CV that makes IS such a PITA to upload to.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: cathyslife on September 22, 2012, 18:43
Quote
And I do not submit to IS. After reading MSG for a few months, I think thats the best decision to make right now.

Why would that be the best decision? I am curious to know. Surely if you are non-exclusive the best tactic is to have images on every site, or am I missing something?

John, the bugs, the low commission, the keywording, the release policy, the drop in sales. The iStock forum here is the most active and I think 90% is full with complaints about IS. I dont want to expose myself to IS, I couldnt deal with it. I am having a hard time dealing with FT and DT already. They annoy me to no end. Already cut DT for that reason. As Jens pointed it out, they would annoy me too much. So thats why for me it was a good decision not to join them. The money would not make up for the aggravation. I have read the forums at IS, its full of complaining contributors. I dont want become one of them. And thats not a jab or negative comment towards the contributors, but towards IS.
Just upload and forget about it except to go in every now and again to request a pay out. That's what I do.

Sage advice

The ostrich method.  ;)
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: cathyslife on September 22, 2012, 18:47
OK, fairy nuff.I personally wouldn't set too much store by some of the whinging here, whilst I agree there is a fair amount to whinge about, some of the complaints here border on the ludicrous IMHO. Low commission, have you seen what SS pay? Bugs exist everywhere ( again, see SS complaints), key wording? I don't see a problem there particularly, the release policy? You need a release for figures, is that a problem? Sales down, a lot of people here say they're down everywhere. I'd actually prefer new people not to sign up as IS, but you have to read between the lines here as far as comments go.

What about the whinging (or whining?) on the istock forum? Sure, there are some problems on every site, but most sites, it's rare and they are fixed in a reasonable amt of time. At istock they are the norm, and sometimes don't ever get fixed, in fact even get worse.

I have also seen an increase in my SS sales, right after I pulled my images from istock. Do my sales at SS go up and down? Of course, but there were months where I didn't even make payout, and since I dropped istock (which coincides with about the time the buyers "left in droves") I have always made payout + more. And I'm not even adding any new images. That tells me something.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Freedom on September 22, 2012, 19:01
OK, fairy nuff.I personally wouldn't set too much store by some of the whinging here, whilst I agree there is a fair amount to whinge about, some of the complaints here border on the ludicrous IMHO. Low commission, have you seen what SS pay? Bugs exist everywhere ( again, see SS complaints), key wording? I don't see a problem there particularly, the release policy? You need a release for figures, is that a problem? Sales down, a lot of people here say they're down everywhere. I'd actually prefer new people not to sign up as IS, but you have to read between the lines here as far as comments go.

What about the whinging (or whining?) on the istock forum? Sure, there are some problems on every site, but most sites, it's rare and they are fixed in a reasonable amt of time. At istock they are the norm, and sometimes don't ever get fixed, in fact even get worse.

I have also seen an increase in my SS sales, right after I pulled my images from istock. Do my sales at SS go up and down? Of course, but there were months where I didn't even make payout, and since I dropped istock (which coincides with about the time the buyers "left in droves") I have always made payout + more. And I'm not even adding any new images. That tells me something.

I have no doubt it told you something when you were an active contributor. Since then, you have not had any first hand experience about iStock, right?

My September has not been as good as I hoped, due to Labor Day and site issues. But last week was decent. I hope the trend continues.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Mantis on September 22, 2012, 19:25
Mine is record levels.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: cathyslife on September 23, 2012, 06:44
OK, fairy nuff.I personally wouldn't set too much store by some of the whinging here, whilst I agree there is a fair amount to whinge about, some of the complaints here border on the ludicrous IMHO. Low commission, have you seen what SS pay? Bugs exist everywhere ( again, see SS complaints), key wording? I don't see a problem there particularly, the release policy? You need a release for figures, is that a problem? Sales down, a lot of people here say they're down everywhere. I'd actually prefer new people not to sign up as IS, but you have to read between the lines here as far as comments go.

What about the whinging (or whining?) on the istock forum? Sure, there are some problems on every site, but most sites, it's rare and they are fixed in a reasonable amt of time. At istock they are the norm, and sometimes don't ever get fixed, in fact even get worse.

I have also seen an increase in my SS sales, right after I pulled my images from istock. Do my sales at SS go up and down? Of course, but there were months where I didn't even make payout, and since I dropped istock (which coincides with about the time the buyers "left in droves") I have always made payout + more. And I'm not even adding any new images. That tells me something.

I have no doubt it told you something when you were an active contributor. Since then, you have not had any first hand experience about iStock, right?

My September has not been as good as I hoped, due to Labor Day and site issues. But last week was decent. I hope the trend continues.

And your point is?   ::) My comment was about how MY sales on SS went up, when MY port on IS went off. My conclusions are based on when I was an active contributor (first hand experience from the not too distant past), like many other contributors commenting here. Chill, dude. Stop trying to be a bully.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: sharpshot on September 23, 2012, 07:04
My earnings this month with istock are abysmal.  It looks like they've succeeded sending lots of their buyers to Thinkstock and others seem to of found SS.  I did a few new uploads this month but if this is all they can sell, I don't think I'll bother uploading again.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: John W. on September 23, 2012, 07:21
Not to sure about Thinkstock. I now get about half the amount of $ i got when TS started, while my port there doubled.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: mlwinphoto on September 23, 2012, 09:36
My iStock vs. SS experience seems to be just the opposite of most reporting here.  September is my second full month of being exclusive at iStock.  If I look at those two months vs. the previous several when I had ports at both sites there's no comparison between the two in terms of income.  While I had several more downloads per month at SS since turning exclusive at iStock my income is approaching 5X/month what it was during my peak time at SS.

I"ll take dollars over downloads.  Having said that I must say that I "enjoyed" dealing with SS much more than I do iStock.  So many site problems, a lack of communication, etc.  If SS ever offers exclusivity with a higher income potential than they have now I'd jump ship in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: sobm on September 23, 2012, 12:00
My iStock vs. SS experience seems to be just the opposite of most reporting here.  September is my second full month of being exclusive at iStock.  If I look at those two months vs. the previous several when I had ports at both sites there's no comparison between the two in terms of income.  While I had several more downloads per month at SS since turning exclusive at iStock my income is approaching 5X/month what it was during my peak time at SS.

I"ll take dollars over downloads.  Having said that I must say that I "enjoyed" dealing with SS much more than I do iStock.  So many site problems, a lack of communication, etc.  If SS ever offers exclusivity with a higher income potential than they have now I'd jump ship in a heartbeat.
5X/month than your peak time at SS?May i ask how much is your peak earning at SS? :)
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Freedom on September 23, 2012, 12:05
OK, fairy nuff.I personally wouldn't set too much store by some of the whinging here, whilst I agree there is a fair amount to whinge about, some of the complaints here border on the ludicrous IMHO. Low commission, have you seen what SS pay? Bugs exist everywhere ( again, see SS complaints), key wording? I don't see a problem there particularly, the release policy? You need a release for figures, is that a problem? Sales down, a lot of people here say they're down everywhere. I'd actually prefer new people not to sign up as IS, but you have to read between the lines here as far as comments go.

What about the whinging (or whining?) on the istock forum? Sure, there are some problems on every site, but most sites, it's rare and they are fixed in a reasonable amt of time. At istock they are the norm, and sometimes don't ever get fixed, in fact even get worse.

I have also seen an increase in my SS sales, right after I pulled my images from istock. Do my sales at SS go up and down? Of course, but there were months where I didn't even make payout, and since I dropped istock (which coincides with about the time the buyers "left in droves") I have always made payout + more. And I'm not even adding any new images. That tells me something.

I have no doubt it told you something when you were an active contributor. Since then, you have not had any first hand experience about iStock, right?

My September has not been as good as I hoped, due to Labor Day and site issues. But last week was decent. I hope the trend continues.

And your point is?   ::) My comment was about how MY sales on SS went up, when MY port on IS went off. My conclusions are based on when I was an active contributor (first hand experience from the not too distant past), like many other contributors commenting here. Chill, dude. Stop trying to be a bully.

My point is, chill, and do not stay angry. Your anger against iS from many months ago may prevent you from offering an objective opinion of today and mislead others. Of course, you don't care because IS is irrelevant to you. Does it make me a bully? I'll let Leaf decide.  :o
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: leaf on September 23, 2012, 12:09
but you do use DeepMeta don't you?  If you don't, you're crazy.

Call be crazy then.  I tried Deepmeta, after all the rave reviews of it on here.  It didn't seem to save me much time.  I already have a system at IS and DM just added to the PITA factor, IMO.  Maybe it takes getting used to...?

The benefits of using deepmeta (as I seem them are)

 - model releases
you can just click 3 model releases and they are all attached to the image.  This saves you combing releases together in Photoshop and uploading individually.  Perhaps not a big deal if you always use the same models in a shot for each shoot but I often have 4 models and vary who is in the shot in each shoot, making 17 combinations of models which makes a LOT of extra work.  Have the work simplified to Just having to click on the necessary releases for each image is a life saver in itself.

-uploading multiple similar images
If I upload 15 images that are of a similar concept, they'll have lots of similar words.  I don't keyword specifically for istock so there is always a ton of disambiguation to be done.  Being able to disambiguate one image and right click-copy, right click-paste all my disambiguated words is another big time saver

- attaching similar images in the description
This is also very cool.  You can select 15 images, right click and say (create thumbnail links).. then the description of all those iamges will automatically have the links to all the other images in them promoting your own portfolio

Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: cathyslife on September 23, 2012, 13:29
OK, fairy nuff.I personally wouldn't set too much store by some of the whinging here, whilst I agree there is a fair amount to whinge about, some of the complaints here border on the ludicrous IMHO. Low commission, have you seen what SS pay? Bugs exist everywhere ( again, see SS complaints), key wording? I don't see a problem there particularly, the release policy? You need a release for figures, is that a problem? Sales down, a lot of people here say they're down everywhere. I'd actually prefer new people not to sign up as IS, but you have to read between the lines here as far as comments go.

What about the whinging (or whining?) on the istock forum? Sure, there are some problems on every site, but most sites, it's rare and they are fixed in a reasonable amt of time. At istock they are the norm, and sometimes don't ever get fixed, in fact even get worse.

I have also seen an increase in my SS sales, right after I pulled my images from istock. Do my sales at SS go up and down? Of course, but there were months where I didn't even make payout, and since I dropped istock (which coincides with about the time the buyers "left in droves") I have always made payout + more. And I'm not even adding any new images. That tells me something.

I have no doubt it told you something when you were an active contributor. Since then, you have not had any first hand experience about iStock, right?

My September has not been as good as I hoped, due to Labor Day and site issues. But last week was decent. I hope the trend continues.

And your point is?   ::) My comment was about how MY sales on SS went up, when MY port on IS went off. My conclusions are based on when I was an active contributor (first hand experience from the not too distant past), like many other contributors commenting here. Chill, dude. Stop trying to be a bully.

My point is, chill, and do not stay angry. Your anger against iS from many months ago may prevent you from offering an objective opinion of today and mislead others. Of course, you don't care because IS is irrelevant to you. Does it make me a bully? I'll let Leaf decide.  :o

 :D You're so funny!
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Freedom on September 23, 2012, 14:10
OK, fairy nuff.I personally wouldn't set too much store by some of the whinging here, whilst I agree there is a fair amount to whinge about, some of the complaints here border on the ludicrous IMHO. Low commission, have you seen what SS pay? Bugs exist everywhere ( again, see SS complaints), key wording? I don't see a problem there particularly, the release policy? You need a release for figures, is that a problem? Sales down, a lot of people here say they're down everywhere. I'd actually prefer new people not to sign up as IS, but you have to read between the lines here as far as comments go.

What about the whinging (or whining?) on the istock forum? Sure, there are some problems on every site, but most sites, it's rare and they are fixed in a reasonable amt of time. At istock they are the norm, and sometimes don't ever get fixed, in fact even get worse.

I have also seen an increase in my SS sales, right after I pulled my images from istock. Do my sales at SS go up and down? Of course, but there were months where I didn't even make payout, and since I dropped istock (which coincides with about the time the buyers "left in droves") I have always made payout + more. And I'm not even adding any new images. That tells me something.

I have no doubt it told you something when you were an active contributor. Since then, you have not had any first hand experience about iStock, right?

My September has not been as good as I hoped, due to Labor Day and site issues. But last week was decent. I hope the trend continues.

And your point is?   ::) My comment was about how MY sales on SS went up, when MY port on IS went off. My conclusions are based on when I was an active contributor (first hand experience from the not too distant past), like many other contributors commenting here. Chill, dude. Stop trying to be a bully.

My point is, chill, and do not stay angry. Your anger against iS from many months ago may prevent you from offering an objective opinion of today and mislead others. Of course, you don't care because IS is irrelevant to you. Does it make me a bully? I'll let Leaf decide.  :o

 :D You're so funny!

Thank you!  ;D
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: lisafx on September 23, 2012, 16:36

The benefits of using deepmeta (as I seem them are)

 - model releases
you can just click 3 model releases and they are all attached to the image.  This saves you combing releases together in Photoshop and uploading individually.  Perhaps not a big deal if you always use the same models in a shot for each shoot but I often have 4 models and vary who is in the shot in each shoot, making 17 combinations of models which makes a LOT of extra work.  Have the work simplified to Just having to click on the necessary releases for each image is a life saver in itself.

-uploading multiple similar images
If I upload 15 images that are of a similar concept, they'll have lots of similar words.  I don't keyword specifically for istock so there is always a ton of disambiguation to be done.  Being able to disambiguate one image and right click-copy, right click-paste all my disambiguated words is another big time saver

- attaching similar images in the description
This is also very cool.  You can select 15 images, right click and say (create thumbnail links).. then the description of all those iamges will automatically have the links to all the other images in them promoting your own portfolio

Those would be convenient, no doubt about it.  I did a school shoot awhile back with 15 models in all sorts of combinations.  It was (and continues to be) a nightmare making all the different model release combinations. 

Evidently I did not spend enough time with Deepmeta to figure out all the time savers.  If I do another big multiperson shoot I may give it another shot. 
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: leaf on September 24, 2012, 02:43

The benefits of using deepmeta (as I seem them are)

 - model releases
you can just click 3 model releases and they are all attached to the image.  This saves you combing releases together in Photoshop and uploading individually.  Perhaps not a big deal if you always use the same models in a shot for each shoot but I often have 4 models and vary who is in the shot in each shoot, making 17 combinations of models which makes a LOT of extra work.  Have the work simplified to Just having to click on the necessary releases for each image is a life saver in itself.

-uploading multiple similar images
If I upload 15 images that are of a similar concept, they'll have lots of similar words.  I don't keyword specifically for istock so there is always a ton of disambiguation to be done.  Being able to disambiguate one image and right click-copy, right click-paste all my disambiguated words is another big time saver

- attaching similar images in the description
This is also very cool.  You can select 15 images, right click and say (create thumbnail links).. then the description of all those iamges will automatically have the links to all the other images in them promoting your own portfolio

Those would be convenient, no doubt about it.  I did a school shoot awhile back with 15 models in all sorts of combinations.  It was (and continues to be) a nightmare making all the different model release combinations. 

Evidently I did not spend enough time with Deepmeta to figure out all the time savers.  If I do another big multiperson shoot I may give it another shot. 

You certainly should.  It is really simple once you figure out where you need to click on the software.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: fotografer on September 24, 2012, 09:34


The benefits of using deepmeta (as I seem them are)


-uploading multiple similar images
If I upload 15 images that are of a similar concept, they'll have lots of similar words.  I don't keyword specifically for istock so there is always a ton of disambiguation to be done.  Being able to disambiguate one image and right click-copy, right click-paste all my disambiguated words is another big time saver

- attaching similar images in the description
This is also very cool.  You can select 15 images, right click and say (create thumbnail links).. then the description of all those iamges will automatically have the links to all the other images in them promoting your own portfolio
Duh I'm an idiot for not reading things.  I didn't know that any of this was possible!!! I just thought that the only real advantage was the model releases and the fact that once uploaded to the site you don't need to go back and finish things off.  This will save me a lot of work.  Thankyou.
ETA is there anyway of using deepmeta to edit images already uploaded to create the links?
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: JoEr on September 24, 2012, 13:27
So, how's it going? The first week was bad because of the new payment system, that failed horribly. But the rest of the month seems to be pretty bad too. February 2011 was my worst month ever as exclusive and īthis september seems to be somewhere on that level.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: AKK on September 24, 2012, 14:39
i know that is not the general situation of istock contributor but this month could be my BME at least for Dls. i have a lot of new file downloaded.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Gannet77 on September 24, 2012, 16:04


The benefits of using deepmeta (as I seem them are)


-uploading multiple similar images
If I upload 15 images that are of a similar concept, they'll have lots of similar words.  I don't keyword specifically for istock so there is always a ton of disambiguation to be done.  Being able to disambiguate one image and right click-copy, right click-paste all my disambiguated words is another big time saver

- attaching similar images in the description
This is also very cool.  You can select 15 images, right click and say (create thumbnail links).. then the description of all those iamges will automatically have the links to all the other images in them promoting your own portfolio
Duh I'm an idiot for not reading things.  I didn't know that any of this was possible!!! I just thought that the only real advantage was the model releases and the fact that once uploaded to the site you don't need to go back and finish things off.  This will save me a lot of work.  Thankyou.
ETA is there anyway of using deepmeta to edit images already uploaded to create the links?

Yes, of course.  In fact you can only create the links for images already uploaded and accepted.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Gannet77 on September 24, 2012, 16:19
Oh, one caveat to that - ever since iStock screwed up the site with their last update, any changes made in DeepMeta have to be sent back to the site twice before they actually take - they must have messed up something in the API.

Just select all the files changed, send the updates, then send them again.  Hopefully this will be fixed sometime "soon"...
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: JoEr on September 24, 2012, 16:26
I noticed that the changes are actually saved the first time but it takes several hours before it updates. But if you save twice it updates immediately. Weird problem.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: Gannet77 on September 24, 2012, 16:38
Yes, I'd noticed the changes are actually saved first time - like, if you fetch the changed file back into DeepMeta, it still shows the changes, so they must be in the database - just not showing on the site.

I'd waited a whole day though and they never appeared on their own, so now I just send them twice every time!  It must be some sort of weird replication issue... maybe they get updated at irregular times, in batches or something.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: ShadySue on September 24, 2012, 16:42
Oh, one caveat to that - ever since iStock screwed up the site with their last update, any changes made in DeepMeta have to be sent back to the site twice before they actually take - they must have messed up something in the API.

Just select all the files changed, send the updates, then send them again.  Hopefully this will be fixed sometime "soon"...

It also does that if you make changes directly in the site, e.g. add a lightbox banner in the description. You need to 'send' twice.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: [email protected] on September 24, 2012, 16:55
I noticed a top ten exclusive contributor complained heavily about sales looking like xmas(and not in a good way) in the latest forum and just like magic they are the new photo of the week.  With a image in a series that is a few years old and not the best in the series either.  Interesting timing!
 
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: fotografer on September 24, 2012, 17:07


The benefits of using deepmeta (as I seem them are)


-uploading multiple similar images
If I upload 15 images that are of a similar concept, they'll have lots of similar words.  I don't keyword specifically for istock so there is always a ton of disambiguation to be done.  Being able to disambiguate one image and right click-copy, right click-paste all my disambiguated words is another big time saver

- attaching similar images in the description
This is also very cool.  You can select 15 images, right click and say (create thumbnail links).. then the description of all those iamges will automatically have the links to all the other images in them promoting your own portfolio
Duh I'm an idiot for not reading things.  I didn't know that any of this was possible!!! I just thought that the only real advantage was the model releases and the fact that once uploaded to the site you don't need to go back and finish things off.  This will save me a lot of work.  Thankyou.
ETA is there anyway of using deepmeta to edit images already uploaded to create the links?

Yes, of course.  In fact you can only create the links for images already uploaded and accepted.
Thank you, of course that makes sense.  Looks like I am going to be busy.
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: lisafx on September 25, 2012, 11:52
I noticed a top ten exclusive contributor complained heavily about sales looking like xmas(and not in a good way) in the latest forum and just like magic they are the new photo of the week.  With a image in a series that is a few years old and not the best in the series either.  Interesting timing!

Good.  I hope they are still taking care of their top sellers.  Last thing any of us needs is the top IS exclusives dropping the crown and spreading their work to all the sites... ;)
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: fotografer on September 26, 2012, 09:31

- attaching similar images in the description
This is also very cool.  You can select 15 images, right click and say (create thumbnail links).. then the description of all those iamges will automatically have the links to all the other images in them promoting your own portfolio
I've have just done this and the photos that appear aren't clickable.  Is there any easy way of making them clickable as it means that any buyer interested still has to hunt for the image and might not even realize that the images are mine?
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: traveler1116 on September 26, 2012, 09:54

- attaching similar images in the description
This is also very cool.  You can select 15 images, right click and say (create thumbnail links).. then the description of all those iamges will automatically have the links to all the other images in them promoting your own portfolio
I've have just done this and the photos that appear aren't clickable.  Is there any easy way of making them clickable as it means that any buyer interested still has to hunt for the image and might not even realize that the images are mine?
They should be clickable are you looking from your IS portfolio?
Title: Re: Is your September down?
Post by: fotografer on September 26, 2012, 10:12
Just worked out what's wrong. There were some old links that weren't clickable which I thought that they would replace but it has just added them onto the bottom.