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lagereek

« on: February 28, 2012, 14:18 »
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Jeez!  not one single true to life medical shot, all posed and with terrible models, even some of the surgical, medical instruments are held, in the wrong way. Some of the medical staff looks more like coalminers then phycisians.


« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 15:00 »
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Are you being serious Lagereek? Honestly, I never know with you... sometimes your hatred of all things Getty/iStock almost seems like trolling. For stock, these don't seem particularly egregious. But then again, I'm no doctor.

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 15:10 »
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Obviously, lagereek must be a doctor... or a spin doctor, at the very least.

« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 15:10 »
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Jeez!  not one single true to life medical shot, all posed and with terrible models, even some of the surgical, medical instruments are held, in the wrong way. Some of the medical staff looks more like coalminers then phycisians.


True enough. Take this one for example, where even someone with no medical training whatsoever, could tell it is not an authentic doctor or medical practice;

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-18563833-doctor-useing-tablet-pc.php?esource=eml_EN_HotShots_02282012&sp_rid=&sp_mid=4417765

ShadySue

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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 15:18 »
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Jeez!  not one single true to life medical shot, all posed and with terrible models,
Well, congratulations if you can get genuine medical staff to sign MRs.
For the rest, welcome to the wacky world of stock photos.

wut

« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 15:44 »
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Jeez!  not one single true to life medical shot, all posed and with terrible models,
Well, congratulations if you can get genuine medical staff to sign MRs.
For the rest, welcome to the wacky world of stock photos.

You could say what you get for regarding micro, but not macro and TAC. The standards really should be higher over there, inspections stricter, not only looking at the technical side of the images, but also authenticity, composition etc.

I didn't really noticed that instruments were held improperly, but they're mostly really boring, except for 4 or so that are decent or even good at least when it comes to composition.

RT


« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 16:55 »
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Personally I think the iStock selection are far better than the Getty one's, but then again I always think that, and then I always think that it's deliberate to do so.

I'm not sure you'd be able to sell a RF medical photo with anything other than 'posed' models because the doctors over here have a legal obligation to respect patient confidentiality and I believe in this instant (like some other legal technicalities) it's not something the patient is able to legally waive themselves. Might be different in other countries of course.

As for not being true to life, a couple are bad but the others seem alright and having been through a few of the procedures in the photos myself I can say that some are spot on. As someone who has shot stock for most of his life I'm surprised you're shocked that the shots may be staged, I'd hazard a guess that 95% + of all RF photos on all agencies macro and micro are staged in some way or another.

ShadySue

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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 16:59 »
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I'm not sure you'd be able to sell a RF medical photo with anything other than 'posed' models because the doctors over here have a legal obligation to respect patient confidentiality and I believe in this instant (like some other legal technicalities) it's not something the patient is able to legally waive themselves. Might be different in other countries of course.
You could get a doctor to pose with a model, but like any other profession, as the images can be used or altered in practically any way, why would they agree to that? It's not as though they need the money.
If you knew a doctor, I guess you could ask them to show the model doctor the correct way to do that, but how much would a doctor charge to do that sort of consultancy work? H*ck, they charge around 20 - 30 (and upwards) just to sign a very basic form.

RT


« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2012, 17:10 »
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You could get a doctor to pose with a model, but like any other profession, as the images can be used or altered in practically any way, why would they agree to that?

Last year my youngest had a minor op, I got talking to the staff and they let me take a few generic photos to use as backdrops, they said the hospital is quite often hired for photo and film shoots but none of the staff are allowed to be used in any of the shots.

« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2012, 17:25 »
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Jeez!  not one single true to life medical shot, all posed and with terrible models, even some of the surgical, medical instruments are held, in the wrong way. Some of the medical staff looks more like coalminers then phycisians.

Thanks!  ( and yet they sell ;) )
« Last Edit: February 28, 2012, 17:27 by sjlocke »

« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2012, 17:26 »
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I was a medical photographer for 10 years.  Alamy have more realistic photos, like B3298A and A8JFR7.

lagereek

« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 17:37 »
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I have lost count on how many times I have photographed everything from heart-transplants, autopsies, brain-surgery, the lot, I know the real thing. I have also been a qualified veternary surgeon for over 25 years and yes, instruments are held in the same way, to avoid them from falling, among others.

Ofcourse I have always been a full time photographer but it does help to be medically trained, even if it concerns animals.

Sean is right though, I bet they sell but that wasnt my point here and yes the IS shots are better then Gettys.

This is not anything against Getty/IS, who cares really? but it does show there are some fields where stock simply cant get inside the doors. :)
« Last Edit: February 28, 2012, 17:41 by lagereek »

« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2012, 17:47 »
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I have lost count on how many times I have photographed everything from heart-transplants, autopsies, brain-surgery, the lot, I know the real thing. I have also been a qualified veternary surgeon for over 25 years and yes, instruments are held in the same way, to avoid them from falling, among others.

Ofcourse I have always been a full time photographer but it does help to be medically trained, even if it concerns animals.

Sean is right though, I bet they sell but that wasnt my point here and yes the IS shots are better then Gettys.

This is not anything against Getty/IS, who cares really? but it does show there are some fields where stock simply cant get inside the doors. :)

I totally am envisioning you as the most interesting man in the world.   :)

lagereek

« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2012, 17:54 »
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I have lost count on how many times I have photographed everything from heart-transplants, autopsies, brain-surgery, the lot, I know the real thing. I have also been a qualified veternary surgeon for over 25 years and yes, instruments are held in the same way, to avoid them from falling, among others.

Ofcourse I have always been a full time photographer but it does help to be medically trained, even if it concerns animals.

Sean is right though, I bet they sell but that wasnt my point here and yes the IS shots are better then Gettys.

This is not anything against Getty/IS, who cares really? but it does show there are some fields where stock simply cant get inside the doors. :)

I totally am envisioning you as the most interesting man in the world.   :)

Hi!  interesting?  I doubt it,  dont get me wrong though, I bet no agency can show the "real" thing, I know I had to sign lots of papers before filming and photographing surgery, etc, its a code of ethics and I was actually filming it for television, etc.
Might interest you to know, the same ethics actually apply to animal surgery and medicine.

best.

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2012, 18:15 »
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I have lost count on how many times I have photographed everything from heart-transplants, autopsies, brain-surgery, the lot, I know the real thing. I have also been a qualified veternary surgeon for over 25 years and yes, instruments are held in the same way, to avoid them from falling, among others.

Ofcourse I have always been a full time photographer but it does help to be medically trained, even if it concerns animals.

Sean is right though, I bet they sell but that wasnt my point here and yes the IS shots are better then Gettys.

This is not anything against Getty/IS, who cares really? but it does show there are some fields where stock simply cant get inside the doors. :)

I totally am envisioning you as the most interesting man in the world.   :)

Stay thirsty my friends!

lisafx

« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2012, 18:21 »
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If you knew a doctor, I guess you could ask them to show the model doctor the correct way to do that, but how much would a doctor charge to do that sort of consultancy work? H*ck, they charge around 20 - 30 (and upwards) just to sign a very basic form.

Exactly.  This is what I have done with some of my medical series.  Shot in the doctor's office, with him standing by to help with posing.  You'd be surprised.  All I have ever had to pay in return is a copy of the pictures for their advertising, and a nice dinner out.  Of course this is with doctors I know, I don't just walk into random doctor's offices and ask them to do this. :)

ShadySue

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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2012, 18:43 »
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  All I have ever had to pay in return is a copy of the pictures for their advertising,
I still have to do a double take when I read this, then remember the US isn't the UK!

« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2012, 18:48 »
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  All I have ever had to pay in return is a copy of the pictures for their advertising,
I still have to do a double take when I read this, then remember the US isn't the UK!

... or more importantly __ Scotland.

ShadySue

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2012, 19:09 »
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  All I have ever had to pay in return is a copy of the pictures for their advertising,
I still have to do a double take when I read this, then remember the US isn't the UK!

... or more importantly __ Scotland.

Do doctors advertise in England?

lisafx

« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2012, 19:49 »
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Oh, I see what you mean.  For you in the UK, medicine is treated as a human right, where here in the US it's a for profit business. 

Something fundamentally wrong about insurance companies and doctors getting rich off the backs of sick people, who often go broke paying medical bills.  But I guess that's veering pretty wildly off topic ;)

« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2012, 20:00 »
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I have lost count on how many times I have photographed everything from heart-transplants, autopsies, brain-surgery, the lot, I know the real thing. I have also been a qualified veternary surgeon for over 25 years and yes, instruments are held in the same way, to avoid them from falling, among others.

Ofcourse I have always been a full time photographer but it does help to be medically trained, even if it concerns animals.

Sean is right though, I bet they sell but that wasnt my point here and yes the IS shots are better then Gettys.

This is not anything against Getty/IS, who cares really? but it does show there are some fields where stock simply cant get inside the doors. :)

I totally am envisioning you as the most interesting man in the world.   :)

Stay thirsty my friends!

 ;D thanks for the laugh. Had a craptastic day and this made me LOL.

ShadySue

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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2012, 20:05 »
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Oh, I see what you mean.  For you in the UK, medicine is treated as a human right, where here in the US it's a for profit business. 

Something fundamentally wrong about insurance companies and doctors getting rich off the backs of sick people, who often go broke paying medical bills.  But I guess that's veering pretty wildly off topic ;)

Oh well, I hear there's a private hospital in Glasgow or somewhere.

wut

« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2012, 20:15 »
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Oh, I see what you mean.  For you in the UK, medicine is treated as a human right, where here in the US it's a for profit business

Something fundamentally wrong about insurance companies and doctors getting rich off the backs of sick people, who often go broke paying medical bills.  But I guess that's veering pretty wildly off topic ;)

Isn't that true for just about anything? For instance the most popular sports in the states are those with enough breaks for commercials. I've heard a TV commercial during superbowl costs 3 mil/s and advertisers are standing in line to pay sky high amounts of money. OTOH sports like football (you call it soccer) are not popular at all, since there are no breaks, just halftime and that's it. No room for business and it looks like business dictates what's popular in sports and what's not. Or to go back to what's a bit less off topic, what's humane, moral etc and what's not.

lagereek

« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2012, 02:16 »
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 All I have ever had to pay in return is a copy of the pictures for their advertising,
I still have to do a double take when I read this, then remember the US isn't the UK!

... or more importantly __ Scotland.

Do doctors advertise in England?

Yes, certain physcians, vets and dentists,, can advertise in England and Sweden, but not on TV and not in daily newspapers.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2012, 02:18 by lagereek »

« Reply #24 on: February 29, 2012, 03:07 »
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Oh, I see what you mean.  For you in the UK, medicine is treated as a human right, where here in the US it's a for profit business.  

Something fundamentally wrong about insurance companies and doctors getting rich off the backs of sick people, who often go broke paying medical bills.  But I guess that's veering pretty wildly off topic ;)
I used to be a big fan of the NHS but there are hospitals I would dread going in to now.  The old wards used to be good, the nurses could see all the patients.  Now there's a lot of new hospitals designed so that the nurses can't see the patients from their station.  They have also given the nurses a lot more paperwork and the job doesn't attract the caliber of people it used to.  Patients have a button to call a nurse but if they're confused or can't reach it, that's useless.  When a relative was recently in hospital, I was shocked how standards have changed.  There's still some very good nurses but if a patient can't get their attention, they are in for a bad time.  The food in one hospital was disgusting, perhaps one of the reasons why my relative lost a lot of weight.  I thing it's disgraceful that they are giving food to sick people that healthy people would find inedible.

Now I would like to see the NHS being used just for the poorest in society.  If the majority of people paid medical insurance, I think standards would have to be much higher.  It wont happen though, any government that privatised most of the NHS would lose the next election and it would be re-nationalised.


 

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