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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2011, 11:07 »
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so what are we up to? what keywords will we search? english main language?


« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2011, 15:00 »
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Maybe we should aim for Monday, say: 12 midnight Sydney time, 9pm Bangkok, 4pm Berlin, 3pm London, 10am New York, 8am Calgary.... (+/- 1 hour?) seems to be a time when its not unreasonable anywhere. I think emptying cache and doing a search both logged in and out coule be good.


I think we should follow the above suggestions :  clear the cache, do the search on the suggested hour, do not forget to sort for "Best Match" (not downloads), go for all images (not just photos) ...

Let's go for location sensitive searches like suggested : 
- pregnant (human)  (Asian searchers should get Asian pregnant people if it really is a location aware search)
- harbor (-) or cityscape (-)
- football (player)

I did the test a few minutes ago, and as far as Belgium is concerned, there's no such thing as location aware search.  Have a look at the results for cityscape/football/harbor/pregnant :


What shows op are New York, South Africa ...
does not look very location aware ...

Is this a good way to report tomorrow, or should we come up with more than the first 5 images?

« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2011, 16:54 »
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Maybe we should aim for Monday, say: 12 midnight Sydney time, 9pm Bangkok, 4pm Berlin, 3pm London, 10am New York, 8am Calgary.... (+/- 1 hour?) seems to be a time when its not unreasonable anywhere. I think emptying cache and doing a search both logged in and out coule be good.

I think we should follow the above suggestions :  clear the cache, do the search on the suggested hour, do not forget to sort for "Best Match" (not downloads), go for all images (not just photos) ...

Let's go for location sensitive searches like suggested : 
- pregnant (human)  (Asian searchers should get Asian pregnant people if it really is a location aware search)
- harbor (-) or cityscape (-)
- football (player)

I did the test a few minutes ago, and as far as Belgium is concerned, there's no such thing as location aware search.  Have a look at the results for cityscape/football/harbor/pregnant :


What shows op are New York, South Africa ...
does not look very location aware ...

Is this a good way to report tomorrow, or should we come up with more than the first 5 images?

The problem with the search for football is that the search thinks that means "American Football' (which is in itself a problem) and if you search for "soccer" you get what much of the world thinks of as football - in German "fussballer" gets you soccer players. If you want to find Australian Rules football images, you won't find many images irrespective of what you look for. 

My suggestions for searches would be:

Cityscape
pregnant (human)
Classroom (school)

If the content is there and the search is actually producing localised results, each of these should produce different results. The Classroom example was the one Alamy used when they were demonstrating their localised results, though I suspect iStock has less options in many markets.

« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2011, 17:13 »
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and i would suggest : 
- people
- or business
- or portrait

RacePhoto

« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2011, 18:50 »
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Maybe we should aim for Monday, say: 12 midnight Sydney time, 9pm Bangkok, 4pm Berlin, 3pm London, 10am New York, 8am Calgary.... (+/- 1 hour?) seems to be a time when its not unreasonable anywhere. I think emptying cache and doing a search both logged in and out coule be good.

I think we should follow the above suggestions :  clear the cache, do the search on the suggested hour, do not forget to sort for "Best Match" (not downloads), go for all images (not just photos) ...

Let's go for location sensitive searches like suggested : 
- pregnant (human)  (Asian searchers should get Asian pregnant people if it really is a location aware search)
- harbor (-) or cityscape (-)
- football (player)

I did the test a few minutes ago, and as far as Belgium is concerned, there's no such thing as location aware search.  Have a look at the results for cityscape/football/harbor/pregnant :


What shows op are New York, South Africa ...
does not look very location aware ...

Is this a good way to report tomorrow, or should we come up with more than the first 5 images?

The problem with the search for football is that the search thinks that means "American Football' (which is in itself a problem) and if you search for "soccer" you get what much of the world thinks of as football - in German "fussballer" gets you soccer players. If you want to find Australian Rules football images, you won't find many images irrespective of what you look for. 

My suggestions for searches would be:

Cityscape
pregnant (human)
Classroom (school)

If the content is there and the search is actually producing localised results, each of these should produce different results. The Classroom example was the one Alamy used when they were demonstrating their localised results, though I suspect iStock has less options in many markets.

Two things, we don't even want to go there about "football" again and Futbol is another one. Good point unless someone wanted to see if Europe shows the right football and the US shows their version?

I'm not even sure that location matters, it's just a theory. I know I've been saying the same thing for over a year, but it could be random and vary based on a cycle of multiple conditions being favored. In other words, there is no "system" except random changes in the weighting so people get different results every time they search, which makes the collection alive instead of stagnant.

Maybe?

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2011, 19:38 »
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I did the test a few minutes ago, and as far as Belgium is concerned, there's no such thing as location aware search.  Have a look at the results for cityscape/football/harbor/pregnant :
...
Four hours later, but none of my searches is the same as yours and all my top 5 football(player)s are different. (UK)
Whatever keywords are chosen for the search, it should be specified whether we just go with the generic keyword, e.g. 'football'. or one of the DAs i.e. (in this case):
Football (Ball)
American Football (Team Sport)
Football Field
Football Helmet
Football Player
football - nfl ..NFL
American Football Judge
   er, why isn't 'Soccer' a DA of Football, since football is what we (in the UK) call 'soccer', and I'm guessing when Brits search for 'football', they're hoping for images of 'soccer' (else they'd search on "American Football" or "Aussie Rules football").
« Last Edit: August 15, 2011, 08:16 by ShadySue »

« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2011, 00:13 »
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and i would suggest : 
- people
- or business
- or portrait

Also good decisions... maybe someone needs to make an executive decision.. Leaf???

SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2011, 08:10 »
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I think people is a good one. can I humbly suggest something that would prompt a regional return like food also?

« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2011, 08:15 »
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Seems like there are just a few minutes left, right? What about the OP (holgs) making the decision on the keywords for us and how things should be done to get a good comparison?

« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2011, 08:21 »
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40min left

SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2011, 08:29 »
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well, FWIW, here are my returns for food, people and business:

http://staceylnewman.smugmug.com/Other/location-search/18544531_68bhTq/
« Last Edit: August 15, 2011, 08:35 by SNP »

« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2011, 08:54 »
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Okay, food/business/people it is!  Here are the results from Belgium :   http://home.scarlet.be/anneke.schram/test3.jpg


« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2011, 09:09 »
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Sorry guys - unexpected complications here - things seem to take longer on public holidays in Spain! About to post my results for food, people, business, classroom (school), cityscape and pregnant (human) as well... (+ waiting on a really slow internet connection!)

Business:
http://holgs.com/lb/Business-Murcia-Spain.jpg
Cityscape
http://holgs.com/lb/Cityscape-Murcia-Spain%204.20.35%20PM.jpg
Classroom
http://holgs.com/lb/Classroom-Murcia-Spain.jpg
People
http://holgs.com/lb/People-Murcia-Spain.jpg
Pregnant (Human)
http://holgs.com/lb/Pregnant-human-murcia-spain.jpg
Food:
http://holgs.com/lb/Food-Murcia-Spain.jpg

(all while logged out & cookies cleared)
« Last Edit: August 15, 2011, 09:40 by holgs »



SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2011, 09:41 »
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generally it looks like regions are returning the same images...

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2011, 09:45 »
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RacePhoto

« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2011, 14:51 »
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so what are we up to? what keywords will we search? english main language?


I did best match, and four of the words. Don't know what this all means, that's for someone who wants to analyze it?

Pregnant (human), Cityscape, Classroom and Football (player)









Have Fun!

« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2011, 17:37 »
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I did best match, and four of the words. Don't know what this all means, that's for someone who wants to analyze it?




From an initial look, what I make of it is that there definitely is a location factor there - in the food results, there is a photo of Jamon that shows up high in the Spanish results, that isn't in the others (for example). The cityscapes have some different files too, and each of the searches has a bit of a different order.

--BUT--

So far the differences seem to be in a handful of files, rather than drastically different. The way I'd interpret that is:
1. the weight of results from the US is often so overwhelming that it will take precedence over however much of a regional search best match factor is dialed in
2. There isn't actually that much of a localised search weighting in the best match.
3. There isn't enough regionally specific content in some areas.
4. There aren't enough buyers/ history data in some places to significantly shift the best match

It would still be interesting to get some results from Australia, Africa or Asia, even if the times are a bit off - I suspect things aren't changing so quickly that the time is all that important.

In case anyone is interested, this is what I get for the "cityscape" search when I'm logged in - (my profile location is set to Australia):


I'm thinking this also means that if the IP location and profile location are different, the profile takes precedence.

Thanks to everyone who posted screenshots!

« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2011, 17:54 »
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Ok, maybe I'm a bit late, but here is my results (sort of).

For people, I get almost the same as you guys. However, there is an image of a "Brazilian Boy" (face with the Brazilian flag projected on it).

Football player, almost only US football.

Cityscape, the first and a few others are images of Rio. That's one significant differential. But the weight is small, as I see also many other main cities (London, NYC, etc).

In Food, I didn't find anything typically Brazilian.

What about Flag? I get four Brazilian flags first, the first of them is the above mentioned "Brazilian Boy".

PS: just switched language to Brazilian Portuguese and searched for "gente", got the same as "people", nobody particulary Brazilian-looking.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2011, 17:55 by madelaide »

« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2011, 00:23 »
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Honestly Im quite happy with the results. If it were more localized, it would mean that some of us could lose a lot of money. As a contributor of a small european country I guess my files would hardly sell anywhere if the search was localized too much.
The way it is now it seems that there is some local content, but not too much.

« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2011, 00:52 »
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It looks like to me that there is definitely a localised component that isn't very strong but no doubt exists.

It may be a stronger factor on searches that don't come up with 10000's of files and files with such large number of downloads. eg that photo with the girl blowing the dandelion smashes everything in the best match search.

Cityscape search from within Australia brings very similar but slightly different to the one that you showed.

« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2011, 02:20 »
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Honestly Im quite happy with the results. If it were more localized, it would mean that some of us could lose a lot of money. As a contributor of a small european country I guess my files would hardly sell anywhere if the search was localized too much.
The way it is now it seems that there is some local content, but not too much.

From what I understand the search is meant to factor in the content that buyers actually purchase from some locations, rather than where the seller comes from. So if you're producing images specifically for the US market from Europe it shouldn't penalise you. 

To me if iStock is serious about going beyond the US market, then the results don't show a strong enough local flavour.


 

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