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ShadySue

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« Reply #450 on: November 24, 2016, 17:49 »
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i believe for sure just i not experienced any sale like this....maybe i shoot more travel images...maybe i sell less but sell for better price. i sell mostly crediti in stock fotolia andd shutter. maybe is what i shot.

It's hard to say, I can't see which of my images went for the 1c values (only four sales, thankfully). The 3c G+ sales only started this month, AFAIK. Why wouldn't customers who have good deals (e.g. big bulk buyers, people who can use Getty images  for free e.g. Steelhouse [I suspect that's a Connect deal, for which Getty got a lot of money and we get almost nothing]) not want certain types of image?


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« Reply #451 on: November 24, 2016, 18:14 »
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i believe for sure just i not experienced any sale like this....maybe i shoot more travel images...maybe i sell less but sell for better price. i sell mostly crediti in stock fotolia andd shutter. maybe is what i shot.

It's hard to say, I can't see which of my images went for the 1c values (only four sales, thankfully). The 3c G+ sales only started this month, AFAIK. Why wouldn't customers who have good deals (e.g. big bulk buyers, people who can use Getty images  for free e.g. Steelhouse [I suspect that's a Connect deal, for which Getty got a lot of money and we get almost nothing]) not want certain types of image?

i don't have any getty connect...only think stock...and i have check minimum sale ever 0,28...i expected this to lower to 0,2 0,15..clearluy 0,01 is a joke. but for me the important is not about how many sales for image, or royalty  for sale....i see end month if the total is more than month before is sustainable, if not, i will stop uploading.
anyway i have stopped uploading cause i have 400 files waiting to be reviewed...it seems they not care more of non exclusive. in the past they review very fast. now s like a month waiting.  in addiction i have very slow internet and only fast mobile with 20 giga month, so i need also to choose what upload to whom fast, and then use cable at home for other service...istock will be put on the second uploading.

« Reply #452 on: November 24, 2016, 18:16 »
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I also got the 1c for September. I wonder why it doesn't show on the daily chart, only the monthly view.

They are maker it harder and harder to see what is happening. The hard part for me is that iStock is my number 1 earner.

ShadySue

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« Reply #453 on: November 24, 2016, 18:43 »
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I also got the 1c for September. I wonder why it doesn't show on the daily chart, only the monthly view.

It's because the 1c doesn't show until it's earned, viz the actual amount is less than 1c, but you only get the 1c when there is an aggregation of that amount.

I don't pretend to understand it, (and I see it's been around as far back as 2013!) but here's some info:
http://developer.gettyimages.com/faq_general#aboutconnect
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351239
The original article explaining it seems to bring up a 404 error, unless someone knows where it has gone.
Ths OP here http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351199&page=1 includes the information: "Since Connect sales are small, they are aggregated and reported on a monthly basis."

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« Reply #454 on: November 24, 2016, 18:52 »
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So I finally got around to reading one of the emails sent this week on the new commission structure. Am I right in thinking that I'm currently getting 16% for my videos, and next year I'll get 20%?

« Reply #455 on: November 24, 2016, 20:08 »
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Thanks for that ShadySue.

« Reply #456 on: November 24, 2016, 20:22 »
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Update.  It looks like they finally closed my account and it only took them 27 days.  I guess I just have to trust them to send me the correct amount that they owe me.  So today I am thankful to finally be done with those rotten, greedy bass turds.  ;D

« Reply #457 on: November 25, 2016, 04:49 »
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Update.  It looks like they finally closed my account and it only took them 27 days.  I guess I just have to trust them to send me the correct amount that they owe me.  So today I am thankful to finally be done with those rotten, greedy bass turds.  ;D
I will be joining you soon.  Still can't quite believe that the response of lots of people to the prospect of getting $0.02 is to sign a petition.  There's so many better places to sell for non-exclusives, this is a great opportunity to get away from istock and send a message to the other sites that they wont get away with paying us almost nothing.

« Reply #458 on: November 25, 2016, 07:04 »
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Update.  It looks like they finally closed my account and it only took them 27 days.  I guess I just have to trust them to send me the correct amount that they owe me.  So today I am thankful to finally be done with those rotten, greedy bass turds.  ;D
I will be joining you soon.  Still can't quite believe that the response of lots of people to the prospect of getting $0.02 is to sign a petition.  There's so many better places to sell for non-exclusives, this is a great opportunity to get away from istock and send a message to the other sites that they wont get away with paying us almost nothing.
Same as its always been. Signing a petition is easy. Even though there is only a slim chance that it would even work, most do not really want to do what it takes...leave entirely. Instead, they will continue to take the peanuts, and just whine about it. For the life of me, I do not understand people who continue to accept abuse.

« Reply #459 on: November 25, 2016, 07:16 »
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I am convinced that if we were more people to take action (signing the petition, stop uploading photos or even delete the account) we could change something.
Here, in Romania, last year, we succeeded to change a corrupt socialist government just because we mobilized.
This is just my opinion..

 :-\

Shelma1

« Reply #460 on: November 25, 2016, 07:51 »
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Update.  It looks like they finally closed my account and it only took them 27 days.  I guess I just have to trust them to send me the correct amount that they owe me.  So today I am thankful to finally be done with those rotten, greedy bass turds.  ;D
I will be joining you soon.  Still can't quite believe that the response of lots of people to the prospect of getting $0.02 is to sign a petition.  There's so many better places to sell for non-exclusives, this is a great opportunity to get away from istock and send a message to the other sites that they wont get away with paying us almost nothing.
Same as its always been. Signing a petition is easy. Even though there is only a slim chance that it would even work, most do not really want to do what it takes...leave entirely. Instead, they will continue to take the peanuts, and just whine about it. For the life of me, I do not understand people who continue to accept abuse.

The petition gives Getty/iStock (and others) an idea of how many contributors they might lose, gives them an opportunity to respond (unlikely) and sends a message to other sites that we won't accept a slash in royalties. It's also something that you can point buyers and media outlets to so they see it's not just one or two people upset about the decrease in royalties but something that affects the income of thousands of artists.

Close to 800 people have signed it now. If everyone signed it we'd have thousands of signatures, which would give people an idea of the impact this royalty cut has.

Whining here does nothing. At least the petition gives us a public voice. If it doesn't work, hey, I'll pull my port. But then I can tell the many, many buyers I know how hard we tried to get Getty to change its mind.

I think it's ironic when people who can't be bothered to even sign a petition have the time and energy to whine over and over again about how it's not gonna work.

« Reply #461 on: November 25, 2016, 08:00 »
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I am convinced that if we were more people to take action (signing the petition, stop uploading photos or even delete the account) we could change something.
Here, in Romania, last year, we succeeded to change a corrupt socialist government just because we mobilized.
This is just my opinion..

 :-\
You are waaaay too optimistic. We are in the same boat and I don't see any improvements. The fact we are trying, doesn't mean we also succeed. The more we try, the more they pull us back in. Let's hope 11 December will change something.

I am not confident in petitions. I sign a lot of them, because hope dies last :). You never know...but I will not be too positive  :)

« Reply #462 on: November 25, 2016, 08:26 »
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You are waaaay too optimistic. We are in the same boat and I don't see any improvements. The fact we are trying, doesn't mean we also succeed. The more we try, the more they pull us back in. Let's hope 11 December will change something.

I am not confident in petitions. I sign a lot of them, because hope dies last :). You never know...but I will not be too positive  :)

Definitely that day will change something. The question is if that day will change for the better or worse?
I believe that it's our duty first step to try to do something and after that to complain. Another thing that I believe it is that (99%) anyone deserve what he is or what he's got. Same here: if we, the contributors don't do anything, well, why the agencies will do something good for us ?!

Brasilnut

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« Reply #463 on: November 25, 2016, 08:42 »
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I got out of this sinking ship long ago!

« Reply #464 on: November 25, 2016, 08:45 »
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if we, the contributors don't do anything, well, why the agencies will do something good for us ?!

Well, I did something about it: I have erased almost everything from Istock. I only left a few images, just in case they change their minds. And I have sign the petition, but I don't think this is the way to change something. Everyone runs his own business how he wants. You don't like it, you don't buy it. The only possibility to make it count, in this particular matter, is letting them without stuff for sale. Their buyers will go somewhere else, so they will have to change the way they understand to do business.
If I were they, (but I'm not), I would have payed exclusive contributor a lot more, leave people with good stuff to join in if they want, no matter if they were new and even if they wouldn't meet the requirements (250 downloads).

ShadySue

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« Reply #465 on: November 25, 2016, 09:01 »
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The option for even total newbies to become exclusive, should they want to  ::), is part of all the new arrangements)

« Reply #466 on: November 25, 2016, 09:34 »
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The option for even total newbies to become exclusive, should they want to  ::), is part of all the new arrangements)

It's a big difference between trying to attract contributors and trying to force them to become exclusive by offering lower payments if they refuse to stay non exclusive. You can do this if you have only a few competitors and they are too small to count on the market.

« Reply #467 on: November 25, 2016, 09:41 »
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No, I won't be signing any petitions.  I no longer have any dogs in that fight, and it would be a total waste of my time anyway.  You all have fun with your petitions, complaining to them, etc. The question of whether IStock gives a crap about what I or any other independent contributor thinks about them was answered loud and clear to me on October 25, 2016.  That 2 cent royalty clause told me everything I needed to know about IStock and any future relationship I might have had with that abusive, offensive, greedy agency.  I will now be putting my efforts into producing superior images for competing agencies that pay us fairly so I can do my part to help IS go out of business faster.

jonbull

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« Reply #468 on: November 25, 2016, 09:59 »
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and you think that micro stock agency care about u or me or 100 contributor?
maybe you don't know exactly how many people are ready to jump the stock wagon in all the world...look only the spread of photographer coming from serbia ukraine russia in the last here...producing millions of photo, because produce in these country is so cheap u can shoot with model 5 times a time for the price of one shooting in usa or uk.....and they can live good with 800 1000 dollar month...
i repeat micro stock is a fight of poor. to survive you need supercontnetn and sell them in rm or high end rf factory. the micro stock at this moment or you have a big production with minimum cost or you die.

« Reply #469 on: November 25, 2016, 10:52 »
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Update.  It looks like they finally closed my account and it only took them 27 days.  I guess I just have to trust them to send me the correct amount that they owe me.  So today I am thankful to finally be done with those rotten, greedy bass turds.  ;D
I will be joining you soon.  Still can't quite believe that the response of lots of people to the prospect of getting $0.02 is to sign a petition.  There's so many better places to sell for non-exclusives, this is a great opportunity to get away from istock and send a message to the other sites that they wont get away with paying us almost nothing.
Same as its always been. Signing a petition is easy. Even though there is only a slim chance that it would even work, most do not really want to do what it takes...leave entirely. Instead, they will continue to take the peanuts, and just whine about it. For the life of me, I do not understand people who continue to accept abuse.

The petition gives Getty/iStock (and others) an idea of how many contributors they might lose, gives them an opportunity to respond (unlikely) and sends a message to other sites that we won't accept a slash in royalties. It's also something that you can point buyers and media outlets to so they see it's not just one or two people upset about the decrease in royalties but something that affects the income of thousands of artists.

Close to 800 people have signed it now. If everyone signed it we'd have thousands of signatures, which would give people an idea of the impact this royalty cut has.

Whining here does nothing. At least the petition gives us a public voice. If it doesn't work, hey, I'll pull my port. But then I can tell the many, many buyers I know how hard we tried to get Getty to change its mind.

I think it's ironic when people who can't be bothered to even sign a petition have the time and energy to whine over and over again about how it's not gonna work.
It doesn't take much time or energy to request istock to close your account.  It would hurt istock much more if 800 of us did that.

« Reply #470 on: November 25, 2016, 11:05 »
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Update.  It looks like they finally closed my account and it only took them 27 days.  I guess I just have to trust them to send me the correct amount that they owe me.  So today I am thankful to finally be done with those rotten, greedy bass turds.  ;D
I will be joining you soon.  Still can't quite believe that the response of lots of people to the prospect of getting $0.02 is to sign a petition.  There's so many better places to sell for non-exclusives, this is a great opportunity to get away from istock and send a message to the other sites that they wont get away with paying us almost nothing.
Same as its always been. Signing a petition is easy. Even though there is only a slim chance that it would even work, most do not really want to do what it takes...leave entirely. Instead, they will continue to take the peanuts, and just whine about it. For the life of me, I do not understand people who continue to accept abuse.

The petition gives Getty/iStock (and others) an idea of how many contributors they might lose, gives them an opportunity to respond (unlikely) and sends a message to other sites that we won't accept a slash in royalties. It's also something that you can point buyers and media outlets to so they see it's not just one or two people upset about the decrease in royalties but something that affects the income of thousands of artists.

Close to 800 people have signed it now. If everyone signed it we'd have thousands of signatures, which would give people an idea of the impact this royalty cut has.

Whining here does nothing. At least the petition gives us a public voice. If it doesn't work, hey, I'll pull my port. But then I can tell the many, many buyers I know how hard we tried to get Getty to change its mind.

I think it's ironic when people who can't be bothered to even sign a petition have the time and energy to whine over and over again about how it's not gonna work.
I guess it depends on what your definition of whining is. I think whining is when someone has a choice to change something, but chooses not to, then keeps complaining or whining about it. I dont see whining as when people express their opinion about something or try to give advice on trying a different solution.


Complaining about Getty/istock has been going on for YEARS and yet here they still are. I am just hoping they self-destruct, with or without a petition.

« Reply #471 on: November 25, 2016, 11:08 »
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The option for even total newbies to become exclusive, should they want to  ::), is part of all the new arrangements)

Why would we want to? Slow agency, dropping commissions, no support, low sales.

I'm waiting a few months to see if I get some of those 2c sales. It was bad enough when I got 28c. If it gets worse, leaving is the answer. I won't even leave files there for that pay, it's an insult.

« Reply #472 on: November 25, 2016, 11:15 »
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It doesn't take much time or energy to request istock to close your account.  It would hurt istock much more if 800 of us did that.


Exactly what I said. I took my images down from istock years ago, but left my account open, hoping for common sense or fairness to contributors to prevail. That is never going to happen...it is only getting worse. I have a request in right now to totally delete my account. I dont ever want to work with them again and I dont accept their offer of peanuts for my images. In my mind, a far better solution.

Shelma1

« Reply #473 on: November 25, 2016, 11:37 »
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It doesn't take much time or energy to request istock to close your account.  It would hurt istock much more if 800 of us did that.

Would it?

If 800 people quietly close their accounts, what will it do? How would anyone know? Surely by now, after round after round of royalty cuts over the years, with mass deletions every now and again, at least 800 people must have closed their accounts, and many more have deactivated huge portions of their portfolios, me included.

Did it matter to Getty? Of course not. Nobody knows it happened but us.

What will matter to Getty is losing buyers. And being able to show them that thousands of artists have signed a petition about royalty cuts is useful.

« Reply #474 on: November 25, 2016, 13:57 »
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It doesn't take much time or energy to request istock to close your account.  It would hurt istock much more if 800 of us did that.

Would it?

If 800 people quietly close their accounts, what will it do? How would anyone know? Surely by now, after round after round of royalty cuts over the years, with mass deletions every now and again, at least 800 people must have closed their accounts, and many more have deactivated huge portions of their portfolios, me included.

Did it matter to Getty? Of course not. Nobody knows it happened but us.

What will matter to Getty is losing buyers. And being able to show them that thousands of artists have signed a petition about royalty cuts is useful.
Buyers put images in to lightboxes or they go back and buy images again.  If they are gone, they might try and find them on other sites.  I'm sure all those missing images makes a difference with Google.  Istock used to be on a par with Shutterstock for non-exclusive in the earnings poll here.  People leaving might of made a difference but they are even behind Fotolia now.  So I have to disagree, Getty might not think it matters but they are wrong.


 

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