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ShadySue

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« Reply #425 on: November 24, 2016, 06:32 »
+2
Was the 1c Getty Connect? (Black line on your chart). If so, that's been going for over a year. I don't understand it: it's some sort of pay-per-view deal they have no doubt got a large fee for but pay us peanuts.


Shelma1

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« Reply #426 on: November 24, 2016, 06:44 »
+1
I just saw the email from them. Subscription licenses will have a minimum price per file will be 0.10c. Waww, a lot of money. I think the beggar how lives on the corner of my street feels better, now he knows I will not take his place. I will earn enough money with Istock, so I will not need to take his job  >:(

So they raised it from 2 to 10? Am I understanding that correctly? If so, sorry....10 still doesn't cut it.

And now the new rates don't go into effect until December 23. More time to sign the (revised, if the 10 minimum is new) petition. ;)

I read the email and must  have missed the "raise " to min. 10 cents.  Not that it really makes a difference, but I  would like to know how much of an insult I will be quitting ovet.

So then it is still .02.  Pricks.  Here I was imagining the petition might have had an impact and maybe a slim possibility of improvements for us.  Glad I stopped uploading there a long time ago.

Have you ever seen a petition having any impact on a public company?

https://www.change.org/victories#featured

ShadySue

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« Reply #427 on: November 24, 2016, 07:41 »
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Have you ever seen a petition having any impact on a public company?

More of a social media campaign than a petition:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lego-ends-advertising-daily-mail-stop-funding-hate-campaign-a7413361.html
which is far bigger than it looks (Google Lego Daily Mail and you'll see how deeply entwined they've been for years).
The knock-on good news is that the Mail is using far fewer Alamy pics, which is great as they often re-use RM without paying and have to be chased up for months, and anyway I don't want my images featured in that near-fascist rag.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2016, 07:43 by ShadySue »

Chichikov

« Reply #428 on: November 24, 2016, 07:48 »
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I just saw the email from them. Subscription licenses will have a minimum price per file will be 0.10c. Waww, a lot of money. I think the beggar how lives on the corner of my street feels better, now he knows I will not take his place. I will earn enough money with Istock, so I will not need to take his job  >:(

So they raised it from 2 to 10? Am I understanding that correctly? If so, sorry....10 still doesn't cut it.

And now the new rates don't go into effect until December 23. More time to sign the (revised, if the 10 minimum is new) petition. ;)

I read the email and must  have missed the "raise " to min. 10 cents.  Not that it really makes a difference, but I  would like to know how much of an insult I will be quitting ovet.

So then it is still .02.  Pricks.  Here I was imagining the petition might have had an impact and maybe a slim possibility of improvements for us.  Glad I stopped uploading there a long time ago.

Have you ever seen a petition having any impact on a public company?

https://www.change.org/victories#featured

Shelma, I am speaking about public companies, the ones with shareholders. Not sure that these are.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2016, 07:53 by Chichikov »

Shelma1

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« Reply #429 on: November 24, 2016, 08:13 »
+5
Look it up. There's a long history of petitions and boycotts working quite well with all sorts of causes, companies and brands.

« Reply #430 on: November 24, 2016, 08:31 »
+15
I have zero confidence in a petition working with Getty/istock.  Leaving now seems to be the only sensible option for non-exclusives.  Any non-exclusives putting up with 15% and subs as low as $0.02 will be risking the other sites going the same way.

« Reply #431 on: November 24, 2016, 10:51 »
+2
I have zero confidence in a petition working with Getty/istock.  Leaving now seems to be the only sensible option for non-exclusives.  Any non-exclusives putting up with 15% and subs as low as $0.02 will be risking the other sites going the same way.

I agree  :) Good point

Chichikov

« Reply #432 on: November 24, 2016, 10:56 »
+2
Look it up. There's a long history of petitions and boycotts working quite well with all sorts of causes, companies and brands.

Surely you are right, Shelma.
But probably about causes very more important than our little problems with a company that we could leave without any real damage for us ;) Here nobody dies at last

jonbull

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« Reply #433 on: November 24, 2016, 11:55 »
+1
we accepted micro stock many years ago because it was easy and good money even with poor, for nowadays standard, quality photos.
we accepted 0,2, 0,3 for photo and now complaint that they cut at 0,15.
personally i don't care, micro stock is the lower end of my production, photo that will be buried in hard disk , or i will never use for nothing. i will upload the more i can, micro stock for me is only about quantity, the more images you have the more u earn...
personally i grow all portfolio in any site in the last 4 months, cleaning a massive backlog of more than 150000 files who stupidly i kept in my hard disk without selling them when was the timer making good money. anyway i see a trend of growing. the fact that an agency cut my rates doesn't bother me, i learnt that in micro what counts is the number at the end of months. till it grows i upload.

serious photography goes to offset, and other agency where a customer want buy good quality and pay for them.

« Reply #434 on: November 24, 2016, 12:39 »
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we accepted micro stock many years ago because it was easy and good money even with poor, for nowadays standard, quality photos.
we accepted 0,2, 0,3 for photo and now complaint that they cut at 0,15.
personally i don't care, micro stock is the lower end of my production, photo that will be buried in hard disk , or i will never use for nothing. i will upload the more i can, micro stock for me is only about quantity, the more images you have the more u earn...
personally i grow all portfolio in any site in the last 4 months, cleaning a massive backlog of more than 150000 files who stupidly i kept in my hard disk without selling them when was the timer making good money. anyway i see a trend of growing. the fact that an agency cut my rates doesn't bother me, i learnt that in micro what counts is the number at the end of months. till it grows i upload.

serious photography goes to offset, and other agency where a customer want buy good quality and pay for them.

I think you will find that 0.15 is what the buyer pays, you get 0.02, that's a game changer.

Giveme5

« Reply #435 on: November 24, 2016, 12:52 »
0
Today:


"A penny saved is a penny earned" - Ben Franklin...

jonbull

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« Reply #436 on: November 24, 2016, 12:55 »
+1
so far i haven't seen any of this 0,02....even when people see a lot of 0,1 0,06 i never saw nothing less than 0,28....
now i'm ready for 0,15m as minimum...o will upload less....also stock review seems a lot slow with non exclusive.... and see.
if i begin 0,02 simply i will leave my image there and not upload nothing more. very simple.
petition and useless fight are time consuming and will not end to nothing.
i see fotolia increasing a lot their sale and shutter stock recovering in the last 2 months...strangely i have my best month in stock from a long time. i repeat till they grow my per month income i will upload if not bye bye.
in my opinion they are simply moving their effort to exclusive contributor.

jonbull

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« Reply #437 on: November 24, 2016, 12:56 »
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0,01?

i don't believe sorry.
i repeat bio trace in my account of anything less than 0,25...even  from partner program.
i expect 0,15 minimum. anyway i always smell more with credits than sub.

« Reply #438 on: November 24, 2016, 13:32 »
+2
150000 files as a backlog in a hard disk... amazing story

However, i hardly can imaging how uploading files (at any places) will even cover costs for keyword & upload time
unless they are specific produced concepts in high demand

JaenStock

  • Bad images can sell.
« Reply #439 on: November 24, 2016, 14:20 »
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I have some good shots in micro and earn money thanks to a lot of subs and shutter S.O licences or some fotolia credit sales or low images pack.

With Istock changes is very easy earnd 0.06...0.12...0,03...this is crazy low...even for stupid isolated apple in white and the worst is that i cant erase good microstock photos to send for other sites.

john bull i have good photos in offset and is not only about quality, a lot of quality images are rejected by them:  is necesary some "realistic style"  (plainpicture-stocksy-offset style and we musnt forget that plainpicture was the first) There is a lot of great photos in microstock and only work with high subs percentaje and some single sales. With 0.12-004--0.09 only work for youtube views.

« Reply #440 on: November 24, 2016, 14:21 »
+2
so far i haven't seen any of this 0,02....even when people see a lot of 0,1 0,06 i never saw nothing less than 0,28....
now i'm ready for 0,15m as minimum...o will upload less....also stock review seems a lot slow with non exclusive.... and see.
if i begin 0,02 simply i will leave my image there and not upload nothing more. very simple.
petition and useless fight are time consuming and will not end to nothing.
i see fotolia increasing a lot their sale and shutter stock recovering in the last 2 months...strangely i have my best month in stock from a long time. i repeat till they grow my per month income i will upload if not bye bye.
in my opinion they are simply moving their effort to exclusive contributor.

Maybe because they aren't implementing the new royaltys until December 23.   ::)

« Reply #441 on: November 24, 2016, 15:03 »
+3
so far i haven't seen any of this 0,02....even when people see a lot of 0,1 0,06 i never saw nothing less than 0,28....
now i'm ready for 0,15m as minimum...o will upload less....also stock review seems a lot slow with non exclusive.... and see.
if i begin 0,02 simply i will leave my image there and not upload nothing more. very simple.
petition and useless fight are time consuming and will not end to nothing.
i see fotolia increasing a lot their sale and shutter stock recovering in the last 2 months...strangely i have my best month in stock from a long time. i repeat till they grow my per month income i will upload if not bye bye.
in my opinion they are simply moving their effort to exclusive contributor.
You will get $0.02 when they make the change and if you leave your images there, it will only get worse.  They presume a lot of people wont bother leaving and they have been right until now.  The problem is, why would other sites pay us more if we tolerate $0.02 with istock?  Staying with them is going to cost you a lot of money.  I remember saying this when they cut below 20% and I was right.  Shutterstock used to give us a raise every year and that stopped.  BigStock, I23RF and other sites have cut the amount they pay us or made it impossible to reach the levels we used to get paid.  At some point, contributors have to take action or we will see all the sites paying us less until there's no point in uploading.

jonbull

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« Reply #442 on: November 24, 2016, 16:34 »
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150000 files as a backlog in a hard disk... amazing story

However, i hardly can imaging how uploading files (at any places) will even cover costs for keyword & upload time
unless they are specific produced concepts in high demand

amazing story of how stupid i was:)...i began micro in the early time when if i had uploaded constantly i probably would have saved a lot of money....but i was lazy and really not interested.
i begin shooting model last month :))...
anyway let's see the results. clearly of 150000 images a lot will go to trash. in practice i don't buu...ll..it..but i have 5 6 trip in the world who i have not even fully reviewed:))...let's say better late than never

jonbull

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« Reply #443 on: November 24, 2016, 16:35 »
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150000 files as a backlog in a hard disk... amazing story

However, i hardly can imaging how uploading files (at any places) will even cover costs for keyword & upload time
unless they are specific produced concepts in high demand

clearly i expect from 150000 10% of sellable images, of those 2,3% will go to rm and offset...the rest to micro.

jonbull

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« Reply #444 on: November 24, 2016, 16:38 »
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so far i haven't seen any of this 0,02....even when people see a lot of 0,1 0,06 i never saw nothing less than 0,28....
now i'm ready for 0,15m as minimum...o will upload less....also stock review seems a lot slow with non exclusive.... and see.
if i begin 0,02 simply i will leave my image there and not upload nothing more. very simple.
petition and useless fight are time consuming and will not end to nothing.
i see fotolia increasing a lot their sale and shutter stock recovering in the last 2 months...strangely i have my best month in stock from a long time. i repeat till they grow my per month income i will upload if not bye bye.
in my opinion they are simply moving their effort to exclusive contributor.
You will get $0.02 when they make the change and if you leave your images there, it will only get worse.  They presume a lot of people wont bother leaving and they have been right until now.  The problem is, why would other sites pay us more if we tolerate $0.02 with istock?  Staying with them is going to cost you a lot of money.  I remember saying this when they cut below 20% and I was right.  Shutterstock used to give us a raise every year and that stopped.  BigStock, I23RF and other sites have cut the amount they pay us or made it impossible to reach the levels we used to get paid.  At some point, contributors have to take action or we will see all the sites paying us less until there's no point in uploading.

at some point luckily most of these company will fail...and most of those who shoot pet and cheap still life will see their portfolio erased and luckily new company will not follow the step of the ancient micro....

luckily will see a growth of company who cares more about quality.
but it's a dream,.

clearly if what i will earn from an image is 0,02 i will not upload nothing more. if many will stop uploading they will see a lost in content.

jonbull

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« Reply #445 on: November 24, 2016, 16:40 »
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personally where does the 0,02 come from? the 15% rate of one dollar is 0,15....now i earn 0,25...they sell images at 9 cent?
good for them.

jonbull

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« Reply #446 on: November 24, 2016, 16:50 »
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I have some good shots in micro and earn money thanks to a lot of subs and shutter S.O licences or some fotolia credit sales or low images pack.

With Istock changes is very easy earnd 0.06...0.12...0,03...this is crazy low...even for stupid isolated apple in white and the worst is that i cant erase good microstock photos to send for other sites.

john bull i have good photos in offset and is not only about quality, a lot of quality images are rejected by them:  is necesary some "realistic style"  (plainpicture-stocksy-offset style and we musnt forget that plainpicture was the first) There is a lot of great photos in microstock and only work with high subs percentaje and some single sales. With 0.12-004--0.09 only work for youtube views.

well for me micro stock has tons of well made images but not very beautiful....i always browse agency for inspiration and to see what sell...in offset stocks i could browse forever, micro stock is os boring fo a lot of theme, landscape and travel are all oversaturated, i think most shooters use canon:).

jonbull

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« Reply #447 on: November 24, 2016, 16:57 »
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so far i haven't seen any of this 0,02....even when people see a lot of 0,1 0,06 i never saw nothing less than 0,28....
now i'm ready for 0,15m as minimum...o will upload less....also stock review seems a lot slow with non exclusive.... and see.
if i begin 0,02 simply i will leave my image there and not upload nothing more. very simple.
petition and useless fight are time consuming and will not end to nothing.
i see fotolia increasing a lot their sale and shutter stock recovering in the last 2 months...strangely i have my best month in stock from a long time. i repeat till they grow my per month income i will upload if not bye bye.
in my opinion they are simply moving their effort to exclusive contributor.
You will get $0.02 when they make the change and if you leave your images there, it will only get worse.  They presume a lot of people wont bother leaving and they have been right until now.  The problem is, why would other sites pay us more if we tolerate $0.02 with istock?  Staying with them is going to cost you a lot of money.  I remember saying this when they cut below 20% and I was right.  Shutterstock used to give us a raise every year and that stopped.  BigStock, I23RF and other sites have cut the amount they pay us or made it impossible to reach the levels we used to get paid.  At some point, contributors have to take action or we will see all the sites paying us less until there's no point in uploading.

let's see what happened.
clearly this company don't know nothing about business...i remember when shutter stock change price making the buy of extended license redundant and expensive...my extends license are fallen down since then...now this....luckily the dollar is getting stronger...so i will earn more euro:=

ShadySue

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« Reply #448 on: November 24, 2016, 17:02 »
+2
0,01?

i don't believe sorry.
i repeat bio trace in my account of anything less than 0,25...even  from partner program.
i expect 0,15 minimum. anyway i always smell more with credits than sub.


Believe or disbelieve what you like: it doesn't alter the facts.
Here are two screenshots: one showing a 1c Getty Connect sale, the other showing one  of my 3c sales last month. In my case, as I'm not on Thinkstock, Partner Program means Getty Plus.


jonbull

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« Reply #449 on: November 24, 2016, 17:16 »
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i believe for sure just i not experienced any sale like this....maybe i shoot more travel images...maybe i sell less but sell for better price. i sell mostly crediti in stock fotolia andd shutter. maybe is what i shot.


 

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