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« on: October 28, 2014, 18:20 »
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istock: "Hello there,

As noted in our October Newsletter we are actively working towards educating our contributor base on Search Engine Optimization and their content. We are reaching out to a number of our contributors to request for their participation in our Search Engine Optimization testing. Our plan is to adjust the titles and descriptions of 19,000 images from a number of our contributors to meet the testing requirements. You are one of those contributors we were hoping to have participate in this testing.

You can view our article SEO | Help Customers Find Your Images if you would like some additional information on what Search Engine Optimization can do for your images.

The purpose of this test is to understand what the ROI is for updating and optimizing asset titles and descriptions and to understand how description length plays a role in how ADPs (Asset Detail Pages) are ranked in search engines. The 19K assets were selected based on iStocks site analytics data based on visits coming from search, along with customer download behavior. Assuming this test provides the lift we are expecting, it will give us great information to help convince contributors that there is value in having them optimize their incoming / existing asset submissions. Our expectation is that the test will yield a more positive customer experience and increase their purchasing of your assets.

If you are happy to participate you dont need to respond to this email. We will just keep you on our testing list.

If you would like to request a full list of the images and/or videos from your portfolio we will be testing with please use this IMAGE LIST link. We will then send you a breakdown of the files we will be using for the test. Please understand we wont be able to remove specific images nor add any additional images. We will need you to contact us before November 4, 2014.

If you choose not to participate please respond to this email please use this OPT OUT link and we will immediately remove you from our test list.
We will need you to contact us before November 4, 2014. 

We would greatly appreciate your participation."


ShadySue

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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 19:01 »
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It's interesting how they're focussing on description instead of insisting that keywords be accurate.

« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 19:55 »
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I got one too.  I don't mind being part of the test as long as they don't expect me to do anything.  I won't be manually changing my descriptions tho, and if they want that they are S0L

« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2014, 20:14 »
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"Our expectation is that the test will yield a more positive customer experience and increase their purchasing of your assets."

Buyers don't care about the titles and descriptions.  They don't even care about keywords anymore than they allow them to find what they are looking for.  Automating some change on 19,000 images to the titles and descriptions isn't going to make buyers happier.

« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2014, 20:28 »
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I got one too.  I don't mind being part of the test as long as they don't expect me to do anything.  I won't be manually changing my descriptions tho, and if they want that they are S0L

I know it will sound a bit Eeyore (doom and gloom), but suppose whatever changes they make were a mess (sales stop completely for those images)? I'm sure you're supposed to change things back if you don't like it. Depending upon how many images you'd have to edit to fix what they did, you might want to ask for a promise that if they break it they fix it :)

« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 20:54 »
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Great that they are taking steps to help educate contributors on SEO. Personally, I feel a proper SEO test should involve a bit more than a single title and short description tweak. Those 2 actions alone won't make much of a weight change in the Google algorithm .. unless they plan on moving to 500-800 word image descriptions.  :P .. Nonetheless, education is always good.

@ShadySue - Yeah, I'm thinking that focusing on good keyword practices would be a higher priority. That would make buyers very happy.

« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 22:26 »
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The thing is, if it works they expect YOU to go change all your image titles and descriptions to whatever the criteria is.

« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 22:39 »
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I got one too.  I don't mind being part of the test as long as they don't expect me to do anything.  I won't be manually changing my descriptions tho, and if they want that they are S0L

I know it will sound a bit Eeyore (doom and gloom), but suppose whatever changes they make were a mess (sales stop completely for those images)? I'm sure you're supposed to change things back if you don't like it. Depending upon how many images you'd have to edit to fix what they did, you might want to ask for a promise that if they break it they fix it :)

Good point.  Sales are so bad there ATM I'm not sure it much matters.

Mark Windom Photography

« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2014, 23:41 »
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Unless I misunderstand their email it sounds like iStock is asking certain contributors to help them (iStock) better understand how SEO works.....shouldn't they already know that?

« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2014, 03:57 »
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"Our expectation is that the test will yield a more positive customer experience and increase their purchasing of your assets."

Buyers don't care about the titles and descriptions.  They don't even care about keywords anymore than they allow them to find what they are looking for.  Automating some change on 19,000 images to the titles and descriptions isn't going to make buyers happier.

Missing the point, Sean - if the search throws up better results the customers will be happier. If it just promotes irrelevant files, they won't.

« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2014, 04:47 »
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But titles and descriptions aren't part of the search, so messing with those won't directly affect buyer happiness while using the site.

« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2014, 05:27 »
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But titles and descriptions aren't part of the search, so messing with those won't directly affect buyer happiness while using the site.

I think you may be missing the point Sean. They're not talking about the internal Istock search but about the external search on Google (or other search engines). Google does use the image title and description to determine what the image may be of.

I know I was guilty in the early days of using puns or other light-hearted plays on words in my image titles but I now know that it's a bad thing to do! For example I once titled an image of UK Sterling banknotes as "Notes from a small island" ... obviously a reference to Bill Bryson's excellent book. It amused me at the time but I now realise that it wouldn't help my image be identified in a Google image search.

If you notice SS, IS and DT add the words "Stock Image" either before or after the image's title. I think they only started doing that a couple of years ago to promote the image in Google image searches.

PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2014, 05:28 »
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But titles and descriptions aren't part of the search, so messing with those won't directly affect buyer happiness while using the site.

They're part of Google search. Which of these would you rather see in the Google search results? Which would show up higher in Google search results for someone looking for Jumping Goldfish? Which would drive more relevant traffic?

Image #216
Goldfish

Goldfish Jumping Between Fishbowls on White - Stock Photo
Stock photo of a goldfish jumping between two round fishbowls isolated on a white background.

« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2014, 05:45 »
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No, I understand they're trying to figure out how to game the Google.  I was specifically speaking to: "Our expectation is that the test will yield a more positive customer experience and increase their purchasing of your assets."

It won't have anything to do with yielding a "more positive customer experience".

Besides, are we talking web search or image search on Google?

« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2014, 05:47 »
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"Our expectation is that the test will yield a more positive customer experience and increase their purchasing of your assets."

Got that email too. I wish that they focused on promoting a more positive seller experience. I would be so happy if I could upload to iStock the way I do to every other agency. I don't remember the last time I uploaded to them just because of the pain it is to put the files online. :(

« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2014, 05:58 »
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No, I understand they're trying to figure out how to game the Google.  I was specifically speaking to: "Our expectation is that the test will yield a more positive customer experience and increase their purchasing of your assets."

It won't have anything to do with yielding a "more positive customer experience".

Besides, are we talking web search or image search on Google?

You'll have to ask Lobo what he meant by the statement. He signed it off in his name as 'Contributor Communications Manager'.

PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2014, 06:03 »
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No, I understand they're trying to figure out how to game the Google.  I was specifically speaking to: "Our expectation is that the test will yield a more positive customer experience and increase their purchasing of your assets."

It won't have anything to do with yielding a "more positive customer experience".

Besides, are we talking web search or image search on Google?

I'd guess it's both to give users a more consistent experience across all search options.

If I search Google or IS for "Fruit on White" and most contributors are keyword stuffing titles, descriptions and keywords with "fruit" when the picture is a plate of meat on a brown table I'm going to start looking somewhere else.

« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2014, 06:16 »
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If I search Google or IS for "Fruit on White" and most contributors are keyword stuffing titles, descriptions and keywords with "fruit" when the picture is a plate of meat on a brown table I'm going to start looking somewhere else.

Well, that's two different things.

This wouldn't address spamming meat pictures with fruit when actually on IS.

A person looking at pictures on Google won't start looking somewhere else, because they weren't looking at IS specifically to start with.  And if the image is spammed with irrelevant terms, putting those in the title and description certainly won't help.

ShadySue

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2014, 06:57 »
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I'm not part of this experiment, and if they'd be inserting stupid descriptions like their example of the boy and dog, I'm very glad.

Ha, back in the day, I was told NOT to write things like "X is a migratory species which winters in Southern Africa and summers in western Europe" in my description, though IIRC that wasn't admin advice but that of those already well established in stock, and no admin contradicted the advice.

Besides, win on Google today, lose tomorrow when they change again.

« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2014, 07:48 »
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My comments at iStock.......

I got the letter as well.

So I was thinking that iStock already knows what keywords were used to buy any image. The keywords we see on the image page are to be sorted by this sales data. Why manual edit a lot of file names? iStock should just append the top 3 or 5 selling keywords to the SEO file name. With a special character or something this could be a running demon that updates the SEO file names as the keyword order changes and could be done on the whole site, not just the files where people get excited enough to do the manual labor. Yes?

« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2014, 07:58 »
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I got the letter too and am happy to go along with the proposal.  Maybe it will help to get sales moving.  :)

As we all know SEO can have pretty significant impact on search response function.  And, limited as I am with my own direct knowledge on this topic, would be happy if someone who knows more would test out alternative wording.  If it works thats great! If it doesn't, well, I honestly feel I wouldn't be losing too much.

« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2014, 08:04 »
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I got the email and I requested to see what images they want to use. In any event, I am in support of them trying something new but in all honesty it "seems" like they are continually trying to figure out why their system isn't working and this appears to maybe be grasping at straws.

ShadySue

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2014, 08:25 »
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My comments at iStock.......

I got the letter as well.

So I was thinking that iStock already knows what keywords were used to buy any image. The keywords we see on the image page are to be sorted by this sales data. Why manual edit a lot of file names? iStock should just append the top 3 or 5 selling keywords to the SEO file name. With a special character or something this could be a running demon that updates the SEO file names as the keyword order changes and could be done on the whole site, not just the files where people get excited enough to do the manual labor. Yes?

The trouble with this system is that you can be stymied by 'odd' search successes (i.e. bought on lesser, though still relevant keywords) at the beginning, so your file can be lost on its 'main' keywords.

ShadySue

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2014, 08:29 »
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I got the email and I requested to see what images they want to use. In any event, I am in support of them trying something new but in all honesty it "seems" like they are continually trying to figure out why their system isn't working and this appears to maybe be grasping at straws.
I'm pretty sure that's true. Or 'they' aren't listening to the people who know.
In any case, almost every time they have been excited to announce something new, dls and $$s are reported by most people as going down.
(I know it's not a scientific sample of people who self-report, and I know they only care about their bottom line and not how individuals are faring. Still, with all the pasta they're throwing at the wall, it suggests their bottom line is falling too.)

ShadySue

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2014, 09:07 »
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I'm not part of this experiment, and if they'd be inserting stupid descriptions like their example of the boy and dog, I'm very glad.
Though clearly, WDIK?
'according to Lobo' "Please review the SEO article to get a better idea of what we are planning to do. The examples in there are terrific."
 ::)


 

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