Author Topic: Jan/Feb fraud - reduction of royalties coming (Read 64737 times)

jen · « **Reply #50 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:11 »

Quote from: jsnover on March 10, 2011, 19:05

Given the Jan/Feb clawback is much bigger than the one for December frauds (for me, and reading the forum for other people too), it makes Mr. Great Communicator Thompson's post in December even more irritating.

I have ranted about that post in length to too many people IRL, haha. All of my non-photographer friends know all about Kelly Thompson's "you should thank us for working over Christmas break" post. It's just unbelievable.

lisafx · « **Reply #51 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:13 »

108 Fraudulent sales here, for a total of 309.90. Not as bad as some of the Vetta & Agency exclusives, but pretty bad, just the same. This one's gonna hurt.

I just revised my January stats. Take out the fraudulent sales and I am -21% on Istock compared to Jan 2010!!

Artemis · « **Reply #52 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:15 »

... and still people overthere are screaming for answers and asking for fair treatments and hoping istock will try to gain it's contributors trust back. Geez c'mon, isnt it obvious by now... THEY DONT GIVE AN EFF! The community is as good as gone and thats how they want it to be, the more divided and scattered we are, the better for them and the more they can get away with.
They make me vomit; every vein screams to ditch the greedy arrogant *insult removed* and stick by my principles, but for now i cant go without the income. ARGH! (no new stuff for them tho)

I like the idea of requesting an audit (pretty sure some stinking puddles would be opened). Would it really be that expensive if we do it with a couple of peeps? It sounds pretty do-able and about the only thing we can do without having to get very organized in a mass-pull-portfolio action or something alike...
Maybe we should post in an accountant forum for some more info..

jen · « **Reply #53 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:17 »

Quote from: Artemis on March 10, 2011, 19:15

I like the idea of requesting an audit (pretty sure some stinking puddles would be opened). Would it really be that expensive if we do it with a couple of peeps? It sounds pretty do-able and about the only thing we can do without having to get very organized in a mass-pull-portfolio action or something alike...

I made a comment about an audit in the angry-thread but I don't actually know how we could even go about doing that. Is that possible if they're a private company?

Elenathewise · « **Reply #54 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:18 »

Somebody please explain to me here - how do I know they are not just putting this money in their pockets? Where is the proof of fraudulent downloads?
If it was here and there, like with dreamstime or bigstock, it seems reasonable. When it is on this scale and all at the same time for so many contributors, it seems highly suspicious. I need proof and detailed explanation of what happened and where exactly the 200 bucks that will be deducted from my account will go. Where is accountability? As far as I know they are partying on this money like there is no tomorrow.

Susan S. · « **Reply #55 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:20 »

Quote from: jen on March 10, 2011, 19:17

Quote from: Artemis on March 10, 2011, 19:15
I like the idea of requesting an audit (pretty sure some stinking puddles would be opened). Would it really be that expensive if we do it with a couple of peeps? It sounds pretty do-able and about the only thing we can do without having to get very organized in a mass-pull-portfolio action or something alike...

I made a comment about an audit in the angry-thread but I don't actually know how we could even go about doing that. Is that possible if they're a private company?

It always used to be part of the contract (and i presume it still is) that you could pay for an audit to check sales figures.

vonkara · « **Reply #56 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:23 »

Artemis · « **Reply #57 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:24 »

Quote from: Susan S. on March 10, 2011, 19:20

Quote from: jen on March 10, 2011, 19:17
Quote from: Artemis on March 10, 2011, 19:15
I like the idea of requesting an audit (pretty sure some stinking puddles would be opened). Would it really be that expensive if we do it with a couple of peeps? It sounds pretty do-able and about the only thing we can do without having to get very organized in a mass-pull-portfolio action or something alike...

I made a comment about an audit in the angry-thread but I don't actually know how we could even go about doing that. Is that possible if they're a private company?

It always used to be part of the contract (and i presume it still is) that you could pay for an audit to check sales figures.

I'm really a virgin when it comes to this sort of stuff... if we request an audit would they have to open their whole financial books? What info would we get..? Only whether there are irregularities, or more detailed info?
Many more questions but worth looking into imho...

jen · « **Reply #58 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:25 »

Quote from: Susan S. on March 10, 2011, 19:20

Quote from: jen on March 10, 2011, 19:17
Quote from: Artemis on March 10, 2011, 19:15
I like the idea of requesting an audit (pretty sure some stinking puddles would be opened). Would it really be that expensive if we do it with a couple of peeps? It sounds pretty do-able and about the only thing we can do without having to get very organized in a mass-pull-portfolio action or something alike...
I made a comment about an audit in the angry-thread but I don't actually know how we could even go about doing that. Is that possible if they're a private company?
It always used to be part of the contract (and i presume it still is) that you could pay for an audit to check sales figures.

This?

15 c) Any and all disputes arising out of, under or in connection with this Agreement, including without limitation, its validity, interpretation, performance and breach, shall be submitted to arbitration in Calgary, Alberta, pursuant to the rules of the Arbitration Act (Alberta) in effect at the time arbitration is demanded.

vonkara · « **Reply #59 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:27 »

Sooo, they only steal at Istock... right

Isn't this weird there is a designer who only downloaded files from Istock with a stolen credit card ??

ShadySue · « **Reply #60 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:28 »

Quote from: jen on March 10, 2011, 19:11

Quote from: jsnover on March 10, 2011, 19:05
Given the Jan/Feb clawback is much bigger than the one for December frauds (for me, and reading the forum for other people too), it makes Mr. Great Communicator Thompson's post in December even more irritating.

I have ranted about that post in length to too many people IRL, haha. All of my non-photographer friends know all about Kelly Thompson's "you should thank us for working over Christmas break" post. It's just unbelievable.

C'mon everyone, you know the deduction of money doesn't make you unhappy.
Get out there and do some merry ho-hoing.

nico_blue · « **Reply #61 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:29 »

From what I've seen in the forums, most people including me are near double of last time. I think istock is lying to us again... its not like its the first time either. Seems like for all their 'hard work' (which no one knows a single detail about) in december to address the problem they are either grossly incompetent or don't care.

cathyslife · « **Reply #62 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:32 »

If an audit takes place, count me in, I will support.

jen · « **Reply #63 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:34 »

Quote from: ShadySue on March 10, 2011, 19:28

Quote from: jen on March 10, 2011, 19:11
Quote from: jsnover on March 10, 2011, 19:05
Given the Jan/Feb clawback is much bigger than the one for December frauds (for me, and reading the forum for other people too), it makes Mr. Great Communicator Thompson's post in December even more irritating.

I have ranted about that post in length to too many people IRL, haha. All of my non-photographer friends know all about Kelly Thompson's "you should thank us for working over Christmas break" post. It's just unbelievable.

C'mon everyone, you know the deduction of money doesn't make you unhappy.
Get out there and do some merry ho-hoing.

I have an old school iStock friend who hasn't been active in a few years, but I still update him on what's going on. All he does now is shake his head.

cathyslife · « **Reply #64 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:37 »

Quote from: nico_blue on March 10, 2011, 19:29

From what I've seen in the forums, most people including me are near double of last time. I think istock is lying to us again... its not like its the first time either. Seems like for all their 'hard work' (which no one knows a single detail about) in december to address the problem they are either grossly incompetent or don't care.

I'm leaning more towards "we need more money, weren't there a bunch more fraud purchases in Jan and Feb, wink, wink".

Risamay · « **Reply #65 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:39 »

Quote from: nico_blue on March 10, 2011, 19:29

From what I've seen in the forums, most people including me are near double of last time. I think istock is lying to us again... its not like its the first time either. Seems like for all their 'hard work' (which no one knows a single detail about) in december to address the problem they are either grossly incompetent or don't care.

I think they're all of the above: Liars, incompetent, and don't care.

Quote from: cclapper on March 10, 2011, 19:32

If an audit takes place, count me in, I will support.

Absolutely! Some of us have been asking for this for some time now. Before I had my forum privileges revoked, I remember participating in a discussion of that nature on the IS forums.

Audit, and - perhaps - class-action lawsuit. Because something ain't right (so many things, really), in a major way.

Blammo · « **Reply #66 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:40 »

wondering when a whistle blower is gonna emerge from the inner circle of Istock/getty, * that would be some interesting reading

lisafx · « **Reply #67 on:** March 10, 2011, 19:56 »

Quote from: cclapper on March 10, 2011, 19:32

If an audit takes place, count me in, I will support.

Me too. Can't think of a better use of what $ they have left me.

lisafx · « **Reply #68 on:** March 10, 2011, 20:00 »

Quote from: Elenathewise on March 10, 2011, 19:18

Somebody please explain to me here - how do I know they are not just putting this money in their pockets? Where is the proof of fraudulent downloads?

Absolutely. It looks like pretty much every large or above download I had in January was labeled as "fraud". And coming from different size credit packs. They have provided absolutely no proof of this.

If I was one of the exclusive BDs losing $3k, $5k, etc., I would probably be on the phone with my attorney right now.

Risamay · « **Reply #69 on:** March 10, 2011, 20:13 »

Quote

It's more than $5K. Yes.

Holy Hell, Sean. I am so sorry.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=312142&page=24

Risamay · « **Reply #70 on:** March 10, 2011, 20:13 »

Quote from: lisafx on March 10, 2011, 20:00

If I was one of the exclusive BDs losing $3k, $5k, etc., I would probably be on the phone with my attorney right now.

+1

ShadySue · « **Reply #71 on:** March 10, 2011, 20:19 »

Quote from: Risamay on March 10, 2011, 20:13

Quote from: lisafx on March 10, 2011, 20:00
If I was one of the exclusive BDs losing $3k, $5k, etc., I would probably be on the phone with my attorney right now.

+1

Maybe Yuri would share his legal team with those people who lost the most for a class action?

Risamay · « **Reply #72 on:** March 10, 2011, 20:22 »

Quote

Posted by nico_blue:

Who is getting fired? The standard of response of "we are working on it/we will look into it/we will fix it" isn't going to cut it on this one.

+1

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=312142&page=26

And +1 to your comment too, Sue. RE: Yuri sharing his legal team for a class action.

Sadstock · « **Reply #73 on:** March 10, 2011, 20:28 »

Quote from: jen on March 10, 2011, 19:25

Quote from: Susan S. on March 10, 2011, 19:20
Quote from: jen on March 10, 2011, 19:17
Quote from: Artemis on March 10, 2011, 19:15
I like the idea of requesting an audit (pretty sure some stinking puddles would be opened). Would it really be that expensive if we do it with a couple of peeps? It sounds pretty do-able and about the only thing we can do without having to get very organized in a mass-pull-portfolio action or something alike...
I made a comment about an audit in the angry-thread but I don't actually know how we could even go about doing that. Is that possible if they're a private company?
It always used to be part of the contract (and i presume it still is) that you could pay for an audit to check sales figures.
This?

15 c) Any and all disputes arising out of, under or in connection with this Agreement, including without limitation, its validity, interpretation, performance and breach, shall be submitted to arbitration in Calgary, Alberta, pursuant to the rules of the Arbitration Act (Alberta) in effect at the time arbitration is demanded.

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There is audit language in the Getty-through-Istock contract, but don't think its in the Istock contract

tundraphoto · « **Reply #74 on:** March 10, 2011, 20:37 »

Quote from: click_click on March 10, 2011, 19:03

Got the deductions as well. Only my best sellers were downloaded...

Last time was $10, this time over $30. My best sellers as well. Isn't that comforting, to know that someone has illegal and free copies of your best selling images? Granted, they could probably steal them elsewhere (i.e. somewhere they are being used), but still.

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