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Agency Based Discussion => iStockPhoto.com => Topic started by: Shank_ali on July 01, 2011, 00:57
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I continue to average 50 sales a week.June was my 3rd best month in 2011 and when the PP payments are added it should be $1000 banked.
Content !
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$1000 from 1844 images makes me happy to be independent :)
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Worst IS month since January 2009.
OTOH Shutterstock made me a BME
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June has been pretty good but its certainly not because of some price-filter or whatever, its the same files selling all the time anyway.
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BMY at iStock by a considerable amount, in both $$ and dls. Better than June 2010 for $$ and dls; and better for $$ than all months in 2010 except November.
Strange, I 'slumped' really badly from 24th - 29th, then yesterday was my BDY for $$.
Two months in a row without ELs, which is very unusual for me.
Lest anyone suspect I'm in danger of becoming a woo-yay-er, I'm perfectly aware that I'm below my previously-expected commission rate.
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Members that are Exclusivly bound to IS, reporting BME, etc, well, great but then again if I was Exclusive, thats what i would expect, especially nowdays when all independants are being strangled.
For an Exclusive at IS today, its a walk in the park and a BME, or whatever doesnt say very much.
What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.
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$1000 from 1844 images makes me happy to be independent :)
What would be a fair sum in your opinion for that amount of images being independent? I am asking this seriously, although I see it in the low range of what that port should do being exclusive, between 1,5 or 2 times more would be what I´d expect, I don´t see it that bad. Could just be a bad month :)
I had a BME for $$ due to 6 ELs and second BME for DLs behind last month, -10%. Pretty solid.
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Don't we have a thread for this over there?
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Don't we have a thread for this over there?
Some of us can't post there.
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$1000 from 1844 images makes me happy to be independent :)
What would be a fair sum in your opinion for that amount of images being independent? I am asking this seriously, although I see it in the low range of what that port should do being exclusive, between 1,5 or 2 times more would be what I´d expect, I don´t see it that bad. Could just be a bad month :)
I had a BME for $$ due to 6 ELs and second BME for DLs behind last month, -10%. Pretty solid.
I would want at least $1 per image per month for the risk of using only one site. I can accept less than that being independent because other sites accept and sell images that istock reject. They are more picky now but each site still accepts things that istock wont. So if you have 1800 images with istock, it should of been possible to get more on the other sites and make at least $1,500 to $2,000 a month without having to risk having all your eggs in one basket.
I don't think exclusives should switch now though. The other sites reject much more than they used to and they generally seem to sell older images better than new ones.
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Don't we have a thread for this over there?
Some of us can't post there.
Oh, yeah, I guess.
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Very satisfied with June earnings.
Up just a few dollars over May, but considering June had 30 days vs. May's 31, that's pretty good.
Up nearly 100% vs. May 2010. (Started doing microstock in 2008.)
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What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.
Do you mean you did nearly 5 figures at SS in June, or is that YTD?
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Exclusives at IS.
1,570$ with 470 downloads (no EL's)
6th BME in a row for us.
Up ~31% from last month, up 1,132% from 06/10
The big jump in revenue is mainly because we hit the 30% RC's mark (still waiting for the money though)
Over 2,500 pictures.
Looking forward to getting to the 35% mark in a few months (the 40% is years away...)
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What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.
Do you mean you did nearly 5 figures at SS in June, or is that YTD?
YTD ? whats that, computer language? I dont want to give away too much but lets put it this way. In my six years in Micro, I have never seen such a skyrocketting of sales at SS and DT, since almost the very date of IS, throwing independant files right at the back.
Its just too much of coincidence.
Yet! as an independant, Im doing pretty well at IS, might be down about 30% from earlier but still good.
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$1000 from 1844 images makes me happy to be independent :)
What would be a fair sum in your opinion for that amount of images being independent? I am asking this seriously, although I see it in the low range of what that port should do being exclusive, between 1,5 or 2 times more would be what I'd expect, I don't see it that bad. Could just be a bad month :)
I had a BME for $$ due to 6 ELs and second BME for DLs behind last month, -10%. Pretty solid.
I would want at least $1 per image per month for the risk of using only one site. I can accept less than that being independent because other sites accept and sell images that istock reject. They are more picky now but each site still accepts things that istock wont. So if you have 1800 images with istock, it should of been possible to get more on the other sites and make at least $1,500 to $2,000 a month without having to risk having all your eggs in one basket.
I don't think exclusives should switch now though. The other sites reject much more than they used to and they generally seem to sell older images better than new ones.
OK, thanks, that's more or less what I had in mind, those 1,5 or 2 times more that I wrote, and also what I see happenning in ports with little or no V&A.
Well, I think other sites rejecting stuff is normal, the collections are already very big, although it would make more sense to me to start deactivating old stuff that doesn't sell. And for ex-exclusives uploading their ports to other sites I see it also pretty normal, I think istock itself would reject most of my old files if uploaded right now. At least i wouldn't even try to upload them ;D
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What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.
Do you mean you did nearly 5 figures at SS in June, or is that YTD?
YTD ? whats that, computer language? I dont want to give away too much but lets put it this way. In my six years in Micro, I have never seen such a skyrocketting of sales at SS and DT, since almost the very date of IS, throwing independant files right at the back.
Its just too much of coincidence.
Yet! as an independant, Im doing pretty well at IS, might be down about 30% from earlier but still good.
Finance language actually.
YTD = Year-To-Date
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double post
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$1000 from 1844 images makes me happy to be independent :)
Me too. I'm getting half of that with less than 400 images on SS (I earn 2/3 over here) and IS (almost 30 DLs/week). Now that I started to UL to DT and FT again and started fresh at 123RF, it should be a few times more when I'll get to 1844 ;) (another 2 years I reckon)
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Two months in a row without ELs, which is very unusual for me.
Same here, not that it's unusual since I'm only a year in this game, but I got 'em every month this year (Jan-Apr)
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What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.
Do you mean you did nearly 5 figures at SS in June, or is that YTD?
YTD ? whats that, computer language? I dont want to give away too much but lets put it this way. In my six years in Micro, I have never seen such a skyrocketting of sales at SS and DT, since almost the very date of IS, throwing independant files right at the back.
Its just too much of coincidence.
Yet! as an independant, Im doing pretty well at IS, might be down about 30% from earlier but still good.
As someone else pointed out, YTD is Year To Date.
I still don't understand what you're saying, aside from SS being up for you. Still wondering what you meant by "my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount." It sounds like either your year-to-date earnings at SS are approaching $10,000 or that your monthly earnings at SS are approaching $10,000. Is this what you meant?
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Bloody, bloody awful and to wheep for at istock; downloads are down to 1/4th of what they were last year:
(http://users.telenet.be/miss_lounge/istock.png)
Very solid month though on DT and especially SS.
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iStock down by a third from last year, Dreamstime posts a BME, beating iStock for the first time ever in my 5 years of stock, 123RF suddenly comes to life with their BME for me. Very odd month, other than SS usually strong and stable performance.
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$1000 from 1844 images makes me happy to be independent :)
It's pocket money from my hobby.I have neither the time or the notion to upload to a variety of microstock sites chasing money that is guaranteed from my day job !
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is this a earnings topic for IS exclusives?
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What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.
Do you mean you did nearly 5 figures at SS in June, or is that YTD?
$100.00 ;D
YTD ? whats that, computer language? I dont want to give away too much but lets put it this way. In my six years in Micro, I have never seen such a skyrocketting of sales at SS and DT, since almost the very date of IS, throwing independant files right at the back.
Its just too much of coincidence.
Yet! as an independant, Im doing pretty well at IS, might be down about 30% from earlier but still good.
As someone else pointed out, YTD is Year To Date.
I still don't understand what you're saying, aside from SS being up for you. Still wondering what you meant by "my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount." It sounds like either your year-to-date earnings at SS are approaching $10,000 or that your monthly earnings at SS are approaching $10,000. Is this what you meant?
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My BMEs YTD are FUBAR at IS, SS & DT, making a SNAFU of P&L.
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My BMEs YTD are FUBAR at IS, SS & DT, making a SNAFU of P&L.
can I have 2 of that?
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What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.
Do you mean you did nearly 5 figures at SS in June, or is that YTD?
YTD ? whats that, computer language? I dont want to give away too much but lets put it this way. In my six years in Micro, I have never seen such a skyrocketting of sales at SS and DT, since almost the very date of IS, throwing independant files right at the back.
Its just too much of coincidence.
Yet! as an independant, Im doing pretty well at IS, might be down about 30% from earlier but still good.
As someone else pointed out, YTD is Year To Date.
I still don't understand what you're saying, aside from SS being up for you. Still wondering what you meant by "my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount." It sounds like either your year-to-date earnings at SS are approaching $10,000 or that your monthly earnings at SS are approaching $10,000. Is this what you meant?
stockmarketer, u shouldnt take what he says to be true. He likes to exaggerate his success. I remember another post he made quite recently claiming to make a lot of money on istock and got caught lying about it from another member here.
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Stable and regular. I hardly have uploaded pictures this year.
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I wasn't sure if this was an overall thread or just IS. Regardless, I'm going to do what I usually do and just talk about whatever I want. ;)
As far as IS, the free fall didn't continue this month for me. Maybe, it has stabilized or settled into its new lower level. As far as the overall picture, it was my worst month of the year. Although, I've only been growing my portfolio at a couple sites, so I guess I can't blame the agencies. Unless being underpaid at them counts as an excuse for the blame game. ;D
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What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.
Do you mean you did nearly 5 figures at SS in June, or is that YTD?
YTD ? whats that, computer language? I dont want to give away too much but lets put it this way. In my six years in Micro, I have never seen such a skyrocketting of sales at SS and DT, since almost the very date of IS, throwing independant files right at the back.
Its just too much of coincidence.
Yet! as an independant, Im doing pretty well at IS, might be down about 30% from earlier but still good.
As someone else pointed out, YTD is Year To Date.
I still don't understand what you're saying, aside from SS being up for you. Still wondering what you meant by "my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount." It sounds like either your year-to-date earnings at SS are approaching $10,000 or that your monthly earnings at SS are approaching $10,000. Is this what you meant?
stockmarketer, u shouldnt take what he says to be true. He likes to exaggerate his success. I remember another post he made quite recently claiming to make a lot of money on istock and got caught lying about it from another member here.
VB inc.
Thats a good boyo, you tell em wont you. Tisk, tisk. Nobody said 10K per day or whatever, boing! silly me. Anyway your a good lad.
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Sorry Christian, I was confused too. I can't imagine anyone except maybe Yuri making five figures (over 10k/ MONTH) at Shutterstock. I'm a very good seller there and I'm happy when I make it to 4 figures... ???
Here are my stats, with rise or fall from June 2010 in ():
ISP 37% (-10%)
SS 20% (+11%)
DT 16% (+19%)
Fot 15% (-33%)
B S 4%
123 3%
Can 2%
Alm 3%
The above numbers are slightly misleading though. Istock download numbers are down a whopping 38%, but P+ has managed to recover some - not all - of the lost income. FT downloads are only down 9%, but more of the sales are subs, which accounts for the big drop in income.
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Sorry Christian, I was confused too. I can't imagine anyone except maybe Yuri making five figures (over 10k/ MONTH) at Shutterstock. I'm a very good seller there and I'm happy when I make it to 4 figures... ???
Oh come on, I have just over 400 photos over there and I'm making at least 240$/month (and I'm still at 33c level). I know you having 20x more photos (not sure how much, since I could find your port at SS, but it surely is more than 6,5k that you have at IS) doesn't translate to 20x more sales, but at least 5x more sounds about right. Wow, I thought you BDs are all making 10k+ and I was hoping to reach 1k at SS someday, so that I'd get around 2k/month (combined with the rest of the agencies), which would allow me a comfortable living (with all the expenses it would translate to roughly a bit more than 1k EUR). And isn't Yuri supposed to be making way over a mil/year (macro+micro)?
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Sorry Christian, I was confused too. I can't imagine anyone except maybe Yuri making five figures (over 10k/ MONTH) at Shutterstock. I'm a very good seller there and I'm happy when I make it to 4 figures... ???
Oh come on, I have just over 400 photos over there and I'm making at least 240$/month (and I'm still at 33c level). I know you having 20x more photos (not sure how much, since I could find your port at SS, but it surely is more than 6,5k that you have at IS) doesn't translate to 20x more sales, but at least 5x more sounds about right. Wow, I thought you BDs are all making 10k+ and I was hoping to reach 1k at SS someday, so that I'd get around 2k/month (combined with the rest of the agencies), which would allow me a comfortable living (with all the expenses it would translate to roughly a bit more than 1k EUR). And isn't Yuri supposed to be making way over a mil/year (macro+micro)?
Well, I can't speak for anyone else. BD is based on Istock sales and has nothing to do with Shutterstock. Maybe the exclusive BD's do make over 10k/month on Istock, but I don't make anywhere near that there. Not even in the ballpark.
As for SS, I have the same images there that I have at Istock, with only minor differences. Unlike most people, I have the same sized ports across all sites I contribute to. I make around half there what I make at IS, so that is "nowhere near 10k"/2. If I am that far from hitting 5 figures/month on SS I seriously doubt many (if any) are.
You can't do a straight extrapolation between your 400 images and my 6k+ portfolio. Things like age of images, rate of new production, dilution of concepts, and all sorts of other factors play into it. Not to mention the dreaded law of diminishing returns, which has seen my income contract year-on-year from it's high point in 2009.
As usual, you draw your conclusions based on wrong assumptions, and then are obnoxious about shoving them down people's throats. Believe what you want. ::)
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Comparisons are hard to make as June was back to being an independent, but the iStock download total was beyond pitiful - down 21% on May 2011 and down 33% on June 2010
My reduction in return per download at IS was 51%, just about mirroring my 49% drop from 35% to 18% royalties which says to me that Photo+ is working so far (I put lots of files into P+)
SS had several days where my earnings there exceeded my IS earnings for that day - the OD sales are very nice and pull up the RPD nicely. DT was a pleasant surprise that in spite of the super-tight upload limits sales started right away and continue (albeit at about 12% of what SS made me last month!). I only have 298 images online so far (and at 53 per week it'll be a long haul. My 90%+ approval rate for new uploads is only 77.something overall, so until I can get that over 80% overall, I'm at 1/2 the weekly maximum).
123rf is seeing sales start to come in - I hadn't uploaded much there until about 2 weeks ago, and as their reviews appear to be speeding up and I'm getting much larger chunks of my portfolio up, I hope to see them join DT as a regular earner.
I had hopes for CanStock, but it's been a slow start. We'll see how things progress once the summer's over. $4.25 for the month of June is better than 0 - which is where I am with Stockfresh, but I know they're still in startup mode, so I'll try and be patient.
Veer's reviews are so slow, they just reviewed the 37 files I submitted when I was finally able to sell elsewhere at the beginning of June. Added to the 10 application files, that means I have 47 files approved. They're very nice people, but I don't think anyone's selling there, so I'm undecided about what to do with further uploads (beyond submitting the next 50 that I already FTP'd).
Pixmac's reviews are also a bit slow, so I have 49 images online and the next 35 have been waiting all week for a review (the 4 days seems to be more like 7). No sales there yet either.
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I made around $25 at iStockphoto this month (744 files). Ten dollars less than last month.
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Oh come on, I have just over 400 photos over there and I'm making at least 240$/month (and I'm still at 33c level). I know you having 20x more photos (not sure how much, since I could find your port at SS, but it surely is more than 6,5k that you have at IS) doesn't translate to 20x more sales, but at least 5x more sounds about right. Wow, I thought you BDs are all making 10k+ and I was hoping to reach 1k at SS someday, so that I'd get around 2k/month (combined with the rest of the agencies), which would allow me a comfortable living (with all the expenses it would translate to roughly a bit more than 1k EUR). And isn't Yuri supposed to be making way over a mil/year (macro+micro)?
It would be nice if it worked that way, but growth isn't always linear. Sometimes it is, but not always. Like most complain about, the goalpost isn't necessarily still there waiting for you when you reach it. Those suckers like to move around. ;D
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Comparisons are hard to make as June was back to being an independent, but the iStock download total was beyond pitiful - down 21% on May 2011 and down 33% on June 2010
My reduction in return per download at IS was 51%, just about mirroring my 49% drop from 35% to 18% royalties which says to me that Photo+ is working so far (I put lots of files into P+)
SS had several days where my earnings there exceeded my IS earnings for that day - the OD sales are very nice and pull up the RPD nicely. DT was a pleasant surprise that in spite of the super-tight upload limits sales started right away and continue (albeit at about 12% of what SS made me last month!). I only have 298 images online so far (and at 53 per week it'll be a long haul. My 90%+ approval rate for new uploads is only 77.something overall, so until I can get that over 80% overall, I'm at 1/2 the weekly maximum).
123rf is seeing sales start to come in - I hadn't uploaded much there until about 2 weeks ago, and as their reviews appear to be speeding up and I'm getting much larger chunks of my portfolio up, I hope to see them join DT as a regular earner.
I had hopes for CanStock, but it's been a slow start. We'll see how things progress once the summer's over. $4.25 for the month of June is better than 0 - which is where I am with Stockfresh, but I know they're still in startup mode, so I'll try and be patient.
Veer's reviews are so slow, they just reviewed the 37 files I submitted when I was finally able to sell elsewhere at the beginning of June. Added to the 10 application files, that means I have 47 files approved. They're very nice people, but I don't think anyone's selling there, so I'm undecided about what to do with further uploads (beyond submitting the next 50 that I already FTP'd).
Pixmac's reviews are also a bit slow, so I have 49 images online and the next 35 have been waiting all week for a review (the 4 days seems to be more like 7). No sales there yet either.
your transition from excl. to non-excl is an interesting read. You're not submitting to FT or did you forgot to mention it? 123RF is a nice suprise for me as well, started at the same time as you and had more sales there than on FT and DT (we're talking about a couple of bucks of course;).
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Worst IS month since January 2009.
Mine too but from Feb 2009. I really dont know what smacks on IS are doing.
Third month in earnings this year.
Shuter is better than IS, DT, FT combined.
123 and Big switch they position from last month.
Can and Veer are seriously picking up.
Others are relatively same +/- 5-10%
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Comparisons are hard to make as June was back to being an independent, but the iStock download total was beyond pitiful - down 21% on May 2011 and down 33% on June 2010
How many sites actually kept your content from when you were independent before? I assume that was 2 or 3 years as an exclusive, right?
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Well the title and thread was made to let members talk about there June sales at Istockphoto.It's posted in the Istockphoto section after all ;)
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Oh come on, I have just over 400 photos over there and I'm making at least 240$/month (and I'm still at 33c level). I know you having 20x more photos (not sure how much, since I could find your port at SS, but it surely is more than 6,5k that you have at IS) doesn't translate to 20x more sales, but at least 5x more sounds about right. Wow, I thought you BDs are all making 10k+ and I was hoping to reach 1k at SS someday, so that I'd get around 2k/month (combined with the rest of the agencies), which would allow me a comfortable living (with all the expenses it would translate to roughly a bit more than 1k EUR). And isn't Yuri supposed to be making way over a mil/year (macro+micro)?
It would be nice if it worked that way, but growth isn't always linear. Sometimes it is, but not always. Like most complain about, the goalpost isn't necessarily still there waiting for you when you reach it. Those suckers like to move around. ;D
Yes of course, I ever said that. I was talking about at least 1:4 ratio; for instance earning 500$ with a 1k port, then you quadruple your port and you make a grand. I think the most important is the time frame. If you quadruple it in a year, than you just might increase your sales for more than 100%. But if it takes 6 years to do it, well that's something completely different.
I set my self 2 goals for now. To reach 500$ after 12 months (I just did it, or missed it for 10$ at most), hitting 1k after a year (trying hard to achieve that) and then try to earn as much as I can. But that won't be doable (the 3rd goal), since I also love to enjoy what I'm doing and I'm shooting way to often stuff that I love to shoot instead of stuff that I should shoot in order to get closer to my goals. The other thing is trying to keep earning the amount your goal was set to. And in June I'll probably barely cross 400$ (I'm still waiting for PP earnings).
So yeah, those suckers sure like to move around ;D . Waiting for the summer slump, although I can say that the sales are still decent, at least at SS.
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Suljo great pie chart. Hahaha piši kao što govoriš, jebote! ;D
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For me its almost 12 months since I went exclusive. Sales were down about 20% compared to April & May, but still up on my last full month as an independent, even excluding whatever comes through from PP and GI sales.
DL numbers were about what they should have been considering portfolio growth and the time of year.
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Comparisons are hard to make as June was back to being an independent, but the iStock download total was beyond pitiful - down 21% on May 2011 and down 33% on June 2010
How many sites actually kept your content from when you were independent before? I assume that was 2 or 3 years as an exclusive, right?
There were some (about 600) at SS, but everywhere else the content was gone. SS lost all the keywords on all 600 files (they couldn't explain why; just suggested I re-enter them :)).
It was not quite 3 years (August 2008 to June 2011) as an exclusive. The big advantage on SS was keeping my account and thus my earnings total, meaning I didn't have to start at 25 cents a download.
At DT, it was actually a negative to have kept my account - no old files and yet I kept my acceptance percentage (going back to November 2004 when I knew less than nothing and got a lot of files rejected; and when they started rejecting files for having model releases shortly before I stopped uploading that hit my percentage again (shots of a forehead or nose and eyes got rejected for having a release)).
@Slovenian. I didn't forget FT - they won't have me :) I did ask and they said "...Fotolia would not be interested in re-establishing a business relationship with you". They didn't say why, but I believe that speaking out about things that I perceive are anti-contributor and trying to organize contributors to withhold uploads (something I participated in when FT first introduced subscriptions with very low payouts) might have had something to do with it. :)
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Suljo great pie chart. Hahaha piši kao što govoriš, jebote! ;D
Ma pisao sam ispočetka tako i zaradio 30ak ignore butonsa od stokinih woyay debila koji su prije par godina bili gluhih očiju. Sad kad su se stvari iskristalizirale o stoki, niko me nejebe 2%, a sad svi pišu o njima kao ja prije par godina i nikom ništa, a ja na 30 ignorsa, a oni su sad pametni.
To other folks
Sorry for off topic
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One more stat that might be interesting is the return per download. For IS it was $2.10, down from $4.32 in May; for SS, 44 cents, DT 59 cents, 123rf $1.04, CanStock 85 cents.
For DT, bear in mind that all my images were at level 0 at the start of the month. I now have 21 level 1 images and one level 2, so the RPD should climb a bit as the sales take more images up a level or two.
For SS, the OD portion of the month's total was 22% (no ELs in June). Once I cross the $10K threshhold, the number should rise a bit but after that, only volume can help :)
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Sorry Christian, I was confused too. I can't imagine anyone except maybe Yuri making five figures (over 10k/ MONTH) at Shutterstock. I'm a very good seller there and I'm happy when I make it to 4 figures... ???
Here are my stats, with rise or fall from June 2010 in ():
ISP 37% (-10%)
SS 20% (+11%)
DT 16% (+19%)
Fot 15% (-33%)
B S 4%
123 3%
Can 2%
Alm 3%
The above numbers are slightly misleading though. Istock download numbers are down a whopping 38%, but P+ has managed to recover some - not all - of the lost income. FT downloads are only down 9%, but more of the sales are subs, which accounts for the big drop in income.
Hi Lisa!
No, no, not 10K per month, since Jan up till now (half year) Im close to 10K, by my calculations and that not bad, then again Im absoloutely sure many x-buyers at IS find my images at SS.
Maybe I wrote a bit misleading.
In any case, SS is by far a superior site.
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Sorry Christian, I was confused too. I can't imagine anyone except maybe Yuri making five figures (over 10k/ MONTH) at Shutterstock. I'm a very good seller there and I'm happy when I make it to 4 figures... ???
Oh come on, I have just over 400 photos over there and I'm making at least 240$/month (and I'm still at 33c level). I know you having 20x more photos (not sure how much, since I could find your port at SS, but it surely is more than 6,5k that you have at IS) doesn't translate to 20x more sales, but at least 5x more sounds about right. Wow, I thought you BDs are all making 10k+ and I was hoping to reach 1k at SS someday, so that I'd get around 2k/month (combined with the rest of the agencies), which would allow me a comfortable living (with all the expenses it would translate to roughly a bit more than 1k EUR). And isn't Yuri supposed to be making way over a mil/year (macro+micro)?
Well, I can't speak for anyone else. BD is based on Istock sales and has nothing to do with Shutterstock. Maybe the exclusive BD's do make over 10k/month on Istock, but I don't make anywhere near that there. Not even in the ballpark.
As for SS, I have the same images there that I have at Istock, with only minor differences. Unlike most people, I have the same sized ports across all sites I contribute to. I make around half there what I make at IS, so that is "nowhere near 10k"/2. If I am that far from hitting 5 figures/month on SS I seriously doubt many (if any) are.
You can't do a straight extrapolation between your 400 images and my 6k+ portfolio. Things like age of images, rate of new production, dilution of concepts, and all sorts of other factors play into it. Not to mention the dreaded law of diminishing returns, which has seen my income contract year-on-year from it's high point in 2009.
As usual, you draw your conclusions based on wrong assumptions, and then are obnoxious about shoving them down people's throats. Believe what you want. ::)
Absolutely true in every aspect, Lisa. However, to be frank I thought you made on a regular basis 4 figures at SS - and I am the one who's happy when I get them ;D and surely most annoyed when I miss them by a few bucks.
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I believe I will be very close to last month which was a BME, IS down from a previous BME.. other agencies pretty much the same, only 123RF keep on surprising me, really nice over there, more earnings and sales than DT, IS, FT and around 100 sales (just to tell how much I am talking about)
86% from top 5 agencies (SS, IS, FT, 123RF, DT)
still fighting for the 1k $ (got all earnings on my blog)
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I wonder how many of you have gotten 100 DLs/day on SS? Or how often some of the top players are getting them? That's another milestone I'd like to pass. My record is 40 so far, but I know, it's a long looong way. My desire is so big that I just might shoot like a mad man through summer, withold all of the material and then upload it all at once in late September, lol
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I used to get 100 download days with SS but that was a long time ago. Still managed a BME in June, thanks to PPD and EL's.
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Not bad. 130 DLs/week in June. 938 files not exclusive
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Hi Lisa!
No, no, not 10K per month, since Jan up till now (half year) Im close to 10K, by my calculations and that not bad, then again Im absoloutely sure many x-buyers at IS find my images at SS.
Maybe I wrote a bit misleading.
In any case, SS is by far a superior site.
Ah, thanks for explaining. I am relieved to hear that - I thought I was going to have to stow away on an oil rig or something to get images worth 10k/month ;D
Totally agree about SS, and you are still doing extremely well there to be at 10k for only half the year!
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Absolutely true in every aspect, Lisa. However, to be frank I thought you made on a regular basis 4 figures at SS - and I am the one who's happy when I get them ;D and surely most annoyed when I miss them by a few bucks.
I do get 4 figures regularly, but unfortunately low 4 figures. I just meant I am happy to be earning that - although I can see how my choice of wording was confusing. :)
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Absolutely true in every aspect, Lisa. However, to be frank I thought you made on a regular basis 4 figures at SS - and I am the one who's happy when I get them ;D and surely most annoyed when I miss them by a few bucks.
I do get 4 figures regularly, but unfortunately low 4 figures. I just meant I am happy to be earning that - although I can see how my choice of wording was confusing. :)
See this is my experience. With SS, you get rewarded, if you upload good, solid relevant stuff, it pays off, some will sell instantly and it will give you a platform to stand on, you can build with SS.
IS, its the complete opposite, you get punished for success, punished for being independant and punished for good relevant material, hence the generic Vetta rubbish that nowdays show up in every search.
You cant build with IS, the staff is edgy and nervous walking on a borderline of getting the boot or keeping their jobs which makes the whole thing tremble in its foundations.
My loss at IS, have been well covered and more by SS and DT, so its no big deal really.
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SS : 33% june11/june10 - 32,8% of total sales
FT : 1% june11/june10 - 25% of total sales
DS : 66% june11/june10 - 17% of total sales
IS : -34,4% june11/june10 - 12% of total sales
123RF: 138% june11/june10 - 4,5% of total sales
ALAMY: -13,6% june11/june10 - 2,9% of total sales
BS : -13,5% june11/june10 - 2,9% of total sales
CAN : 510% june11/june10 - 1,5% of total sales
RODEO : -72% june11/june10 - 1,2% of total sales
GLO : 200% june11/june10 - 0,4% of total sales
CUT : (4$) - 0,1% of total sales
So, Fotolia is stable. SS, 123rf and DS covered the loss of IS. The success of CAN and GLO is a bit misleading, as I only started with them last year February.
In dollars this means an increase of 10%, which is great (and unexpected), but in euros it's -5% :(
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(http://www.microstockanalytics.com/Stats/Sales2011.png)
http://www.microstockanalytics.com (http://www.microstockanalytics.com)
Sales are stable in last 10 weeks. I didn't upload new content for 3 months expect IS where I still uploading old files every week. Anyways one of the best months on IS
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Absolutely true in every aspect, Lisa. However, to be frank I thought you made on a regular basis 4 figures at SS - and I am the one who's happy when I get them ;D and surely most annoyed when I miss them by a few bucks.
I do get 4 figures regularly, but unfortunately low 4 figures. I just meant I am happy to be earning that - although I can see how my choice of wording was confusing. :)
See this is my experience. With SS, you get rewarded, if you upload good, solid relevant stuff, it pays off, some will sell instantly and it will give you a platform to stand on, you can build with SS.
IS, its the complete opposite, you get punished for success, punished for being independant and punished for good relevant material, hence the generic Vetta rubbish that nowdays show up in every search.
You cant build with IS, the staff is edgy and nervous walking on a borderline of getting the boot or keeping their jobs which makes the whole thing tremble in its foundations.
^^^ J.K.Rowling has got some competition ::)
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Hi Shanks!
Oh well, a Freudian slip, you know ;D
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At iStock my earnings are down just under 6% compared with last June but the number of files sold is down about 35%, which is a scary trend. The last time I had that few sales was when I was a newbie with less than three months' experience and my portfolio was about 3% of its present size.
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(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u97/hlehnerer/SalesStat/201106px550.jpg)
These are for me the best 4 performing stock agencies for June 2011:
Shutterstock (http://submit.shutterstock.com/?ref=169666)
DepositPhotos (http://submit.depositphotos.com/?ref=1001442)
StockXpert (http://stockxpert.com/)
Dreamstime (http://www.dreamstime.com/res514425-dreams-time)
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u97/hlehnerer/SalesStat/201106Timeline550.jpg)
You can find the rest of the statistic here (http://stock.hlehnerer.com/Stats.html).
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Income, RPI, RPD for a beginner port (all iStock):
http://depo.fotozygous.com/stock/ (http://depo.fotozygous.com/stock/)
(June Best Month This Year)
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This is a thread on Istock or is it general? ???
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This is a thread on Istock or is it general? ???
This thread, like life, is what you make of it
:)
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ok, learning, I'm new ... Overall, it is true that life is a mess ;)
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Hi All,
Everyone is holding strong with the exception of Istock which has now returned it's worst month in a row dropping further every month. They are the only site I am adding new images to and their sales are becoming my worst. All other agencies holding strong with no new uploads in years and I just past the mark of all my Microstock production costs at Shutterstock on its own this month. After three years my costs have been recouped by the one agency alone. Hats off to Shutterstock still top earner with no drop this year. I will be adding some TAC work this year I just have to find time to produce it. I still want to know what the returns are like there, some people I know are very happy with what they are seeing.
Best,
Jonathan
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Hi All,
Everyone is holding strong with the exception of Istock which has now returned it's worst month in a row dropping further every month. They are the only site I am adding new images to and their sales are becoming my worst. All other agencies holding strong with no new uploads in years and I just past the mark of all my Microstock production costs at Shutterstock on its own this month. After three years my costs have been recouped by the one agency alone. Hats off to Shutterstock still top earner with no drop this year. I will be adding some TAC work this year I just have to find time to produce it. I still want to know what the returns are like there, some people I know are very happy with what they are seeing.
Best,
Jonathan
Congrats Jonathan, on getting back your investment. The other sites are all gravy then :)
What's TAC?
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Hi All,
Everyone is holding strong with the exception of Istock which has now returned it's worst month in a row dropping further every month. They are the only site I am adding new images to and their sales are becoming my worst. All other agencies holding strong with no new uploads in years and I just past the mark of all my Microstock production costs at Shutterstock on its own this month. After three years my costs have been recouped by the one agency alone. Hats off to Shutterstock still top earner with no drop this year. I will be adding some TAC work this year I just have to find time to produce it. I still want to know what the returns are like there, some people I know are very happy with what they are seeing.
Best,
Jonathan
Congrats Jonathan, on getting back your investment. The other sites are all gravy then :)
What's TAC?
you forgot? the agency collection right?
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What's TAC?
you forgot? the agency collection right?
Yeah, apparently I did. It's not something that I give much thought to.
Still seems weird that someone like Jonathan, who's not exclusive, can shoot for Agency and get the benefits of exclusivity. Some guys have all the luck! ;)
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LOL it is weird but must be somekind of agreement, should be at IS site
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Still seems weird that someone like Jonathan, who's not exclusive, can shoot for Agency and get the benefits of exclusivity. Some guys have all the luck! ;)
He's with Blend
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Hi All,
Everyone is holding strong with the exception of Istock which has now returned it's worst month in a row dropping further every month. They are the only site I am adding new images to and their sales are becoming my worst. All other agencies holding strong with no new uploads in years and I just past the mark of all my Microstock production costs at Shutterstock on its own this month. After three years my costs have been recouped by the one agency alone. Hats off to Shutterstock still top earner with no drop this year. I will be adding some TAC work this year I just have to find time to produce it. I still want to know what the returns are like there, some people I know are very happy with what they are seeing.
Best,
Jonathan
pretty much the same here, SS, is selling and paying for plenty of my equipment, etc. You cant go wrong with them. Contrary to you, Im uploading to 6 agencies but Im leaving 123, so Im back to 5 sites.
best of luck!
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Still seems weird that someone like Jonathan, who's not exclusive, can shoot for Agency and get the benefits of exclusivity. Some guys have all the luck! ;)
He's with Blend
blend? whats Blend?
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^^^Don't you use google? http://www.blendimages.com/ (http://www.blendimages.com/)
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Hi Everyone,
I have two portals through two different agencies I am co-owner of. One is http://www.blendimages.com (http://www.blendimages.com) and the other is http://www.culturaimages.com (http://www.culturaimages.com) they have both been accepted as TAC providers. I still have to split what I get with the agencies so it's not quite as good as being exclusive but I want to see some data on the sales there so when I get some time I will be adding a few hundred images to see what's out there.
Any contributing photographer with either agency can be represented in Macro RM/RF and TAC if anyone has an interest please feel welcome to contact me they are both very strong agencies and I would be happy to help make some introductions.
Best,
Jonathan
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Hi All,
Everyone is holding strong with the exception of Istock which has now returned it's worst month in a row dropping further every month. They are the only site I am adding new images to and their sales are becoming my worst. All other agencies holding strong with no new uploads in years and I just past the mark of all my Microstock production costs at Shutterstock on its own this month. After three years my costs have been recouped by the one agency alone. Hats off to Shutterstock still top earner with no drop this year. I will be adding some TAC work this year I just have to find time to produce it. I still want to know what the returns are like there, some people I know are very happy with what they are seeing.
Best,
Jonathan
Agreeing, everyone holding strong exept IS. weird? was chatting to some mates of mine within the Getty-RM. We were all comparing like 10 years ago and now, etc and how this has all progressed, etc.
One made the remark: " before it was a good thing to let clients know you were with Getty, in those days it was a kind of hallmark of quality. Nowdays! being a member of this Getty/IS, thing, is more of an embarrasment. One really dont mention it to clients anymore"
I thought, jeez, is that what its come to? unbelievable really.
BTW, do you ever consider removing your RMs, putting them elsewhere? cause I know a few that are going to do just that.
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I know for a fact that in some overseas markets, people will buy from anyone but Getty Images if they can find a good image elsewhere, just because they hate Getty so much. It's really that bad. Getty's attitude toward buyers has been one of the more specific reasons I've heard of, a kind of take it or leave it arrogance.
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..... they have both been accepted as TAC providers.
and I'm sure the rest will follow in due course, it seems that iS and Getty are merging more and more imagery into both marketplaces - interesting times ahead!
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whoaw, zazzle sells ? what are your best sellers there?
([url]http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u97/hlehnerer/SalesStat/201106px550.jpg[/url])
These are for me the best 4 performing stock agencies for June 2011:
Shutterstock ([url]http://submit.shutterstock.com/?ref=169666[/url])
DepositPhotos ([url]http://submit.depositphotos.com/?ref=1001442[/url])
StockXpert ([url]http://stockxpert.com/[/url])
Dreamstime ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/res514425-dreams-time[/url])
([url]http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u97/hlehnerer/SalesStat/201106Timeline550.jpg[/url])
You can find the rest of the statistic here ([url]http://stock.hlehnerer.com/Stats.html[/url]).
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whoaw, zazzle sells ? what are your best sellers there?
Not to pick on the source but here's an example of why charts and stats are missing some important details.
Lets say that this person makes $14 on Zazzle and $9 from Deposit photos, and they have 1000 photos on SS and 150 photos on IS. Well of course it's going to look kind of like small agencies are really producing for this artist.
The first question is, how many photos to produce these sales numbers? How many sales, and is June the same as May? Because one $14 sale and Zazzle shoots to the top, next month it will be 0% and off the bottom. One month isn't a worthwhile chart.
With myself, if SS gets one EL this month it will suddenly jump up and pass IS for the year. For now, IS is beating SS, but unfortunately that's based on IS sales in January and Feb., while SS beats them nearly every month since then.
Since Oboy keeps such good records, maybe he can do a six month chart, which is probably a better indicator of a period of time and many months, not just one month. It would be a better indicator, but if he only has 60 pictures on IS and 600 on SS, there's also that small problem of RPD!
And yes, while I personally look at bottom line and don't worry about a bunch of statistics that are not of any value. (because statistics don't pay bills, dollars and downloads do) ;D Long term sales charts and large volume surveys, do have some indication of the trends. One persons collection, based on different numbers of files are just some pretty pictures.
Who's on top on the MSG survey? Who's second. That should tell you something about Zazzle and Deposit Photos!
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Hi Lagereek,
I am not a big believer in moving content so I won't be moving any of my RM out of my Getty collection I will just create new work and try to analyze where the best home for returns will be for the new stuff. If it shows that Getty is still my best return for exclusive RM then I will stay there. I really like the model we offer at Spaces Images where we have multi distributional RM, it allows the buyer to stay protected and know the image history and it gives the photographer 40 agencies instead of just one to represent the work. There are a few agencies now offering this, Blend and Cultura both do as well as Spaces. I would like to see this model continue to be a part of our industry, when RM stock was started they didn't have the technology to offer multi distribution but with the change of the internet and what can be accomplished now the model fits really well into todays competitive stock industry.
Best,
Jonathan
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Sad is a word that springs to mind for me regarding Istock
Do you remember the Mantra over there "The Cream floats to the top" well it's all gone sour (excuse pun) now it seems simply a case of the expensive/exclusive is forced to the front!
Regardless of what is uploaded it is getting rather embarrassing over there for me with my once healthy income making it my top earner being reduced to a trickle of downloads it really has eventually come down to that!
Thank heavens for Shutterstock it reaches new highs each month for me with phenomenal results from 'On demands' and EL's last month so not all is gloom and doom
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Sad is a word that springs to mind for me regarding Istock
Do you remember the Mantra over there "The Cream floats to the top"
God! It's a long time since anyone said that there, isn't it? I'd forgotten that one. Was it the first great best match shift that killed that one, back in 2005 or 2006?