Author Topic: Money where my mouth is. (Read 22539 times)

SNP · « **Reply #75 on:** September 15, 2010, 12:15 »

^ I don't think he does know how this will impact his income. Listening to his conscience....come on. This is business. You guys can't have your cake and eat it too. you're all over contributors like me for respecting and trusting iStock, you berate your fellow colleagues regularly, make false and libelous accusations....and now you're heralding acts of conscience. I don't know how your consciences allow most of you to speak to one another the way you do in here.

the loud minority does not represent a massive swath of serious contributors who wouldn't even bother to wade in here.

traveler1116 · « **Reply #76 on:** September 15, 2010, 12:33 »

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 12:15

^ I don't think he does know how this will impact his income. Listening to his conscience....come on. This is business. You guys can't have your cake and eat it too. you're all over contributors like me for respecting and trusting iStock, you berate your fellow colleagues regularly, make false and libelous accusations....and now you're heralding acts of conscience. I don't know how your consciences allow most of you to speak to one another the way you do in here.

the loud minority does not represent a massive swath of serious contributors who wouldn't even bother to wade in here.

Aren't the large majority of contributors not talking in here either unaware that here exists, that changes have taken place, don't speak english, or don't like writing in forums? Aren't they also overwhelmingly unhappy about the changes taking place? I don't know too many contributors (besides a few bronze and silver guys that will reach the higher canister a few months early) that think raising prices, cutting commissions and introducing Agency Collection stuff in front of us is a good thing. The changes aren't just a moral issue they hurt our wallets and they hurt IS's prospects going ahead.

cthoman · « **Reply #77 on:** September 15, 2010, 12:35 »

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 12:15

^ I don't think he does know how this will impact his income. Listening to his conscience....come on. This is business. You guys can't have your cake and eat it too. you're all over contributors like me for respecting and trusting iStock, you berate your fellow colleagues regularly, make false and libelous accusations....and now you're heralding acts of conscience. I don't know how your consciences allow most of you to speak to one another the way you do in here.

the loud minority does not represent a massive swath of serious contributors who wouldn't even bother to wade in here.

Wow! Tell us how you really feel. Does that mean I'm not getting a Christmas card this year?

SNP · « **Reply #78 on:** September 15, 2010, 12:44 »

lol...guess not. I'm fairly certain I won't be getting any from people in here. as for other contributors being worried or concerned, sure. I am too. but I'm almost always willing to give iStock the benefit of the doubt. not to mention, many of the people being attacked are friends or good people who sincerely don't deserve it. I have never subscribed to the us versus them mentality. Getty have continued to allow iStock's culture to flourish, with a sense of community. however, that community continues to grow, exponentially. it was clear five years ago that the model was going to change. I think there's going to be increased business and other positive things to come, as has always seemed to happen in the past. so far, in five years, I've never felt screwed over by iStock or Getty for that matter.

I have also said that I feel for independents. but at the same time, you're independent! you haven't committed to any one site, but you expect a certain level of commitment from them. I'm not sure I understand that. I have committed to a site, and taken all the good and bad that has come with it.

I have no doubt iStock is listening, as they always have, but hardly anyone will give them that credit next time. my guess is that we'll all see some form of concession. the worst part about that is you'll all believe it was because you protested. the concession might even leave us worse off, as concessions made regarding the partner program did. meanwhile many of you were high-fiving about that.

gostwyck · « **Reply #79 on:** September 15, 2010, 13:05 »

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 12:44

... it was clear five years ago that the model was going to change. I think there's going to be increased business and other positive things to come, as has always seemed to happen in the past. so far, in five years, I've never felt screwed over by iStock or Getty for that matter.

Five years ago you worked it all out did you??? Funny that considering you've only actually been on Istock for just over 3 years. What utter, utter nonsensical drivel you write.

Move along people __ there's nothing to see in Hawk-eye's posts.

SNP · « **Reply #80 on:** September 15, 2010, 13:14 »

Joe - it was through my work in design years before I contributed that brought me to iStock in the first place. if you know my posts as well as you say you do, you would remember that. anyways, this is the kind of stuff that usually keeps me from posting in here. I feel strongly about buyers being pointed away from iStock, but I think I've made that point. I'm sorry for independents and what they will go through, for sure. and less productive exclusives who will also be hit hard. I'll be surprised if something isn't modified by HQ, so you can look forward to that.

anonymous · « **Reply #81 on:** September 15, 2010, 13:33 »

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 12:44

my guess is that we'll all see some form of concession.

vasoline

dgilder · « **Reply #82 on:** September 15, 2010, 13:40 »

You presume to know a lot, hawk_eye. Your fear is getting the best of you, and you are starting to sound a bit panicked. Relax, it will all be ok.

If I were using iStock income primarily to buy food and a roof for my family, obviously it would have been a harder decision, as many here understand. There are some things though, that I am perfectly willing to do without, if it means I am not supporting exploitative enterprises.

I will be just fine, thank you for your concern.

brm1949 · « **Reply #83 on:** September 15, 2010, 14:04 »

but I'm almost always willing to give iStock the benefit of the doubt.

Hawkeye, there is no doubt. They made it perfectly clear what they intend to do. If your OK with so be it. Many of us are not.

lisafx · « **Reply #84 on:** September 15, 2010, 15:19 »

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 12:44

my guess is that we'll all see some form of concession.

If there were to be some form of concession, it will be thanks to David and the others who are taking action to show their displeasure. Not thanks to the Getty apologists who are telling us we should just shut up and go away

As for "benefit of the doubt" - there is NO DOUBT.

jamirae · « **Reply #85 on:** September 15, 2010, 15:23 »

Quote from: lisafx on September 15, 2010, 15:19

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 12:44
my guess is that we'll all see some form of concession.

If there were to be some form of concession, it will be thanks to David and the others who are taking action to show their displeasure. Not thanks to the Getty apologists who are telling us we should just shut up and go away

As for "benefit of the doubt" - there is NO DOUBT.

after 3 posts from Kelly on the subject, and not one budge or movement, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that this time there will be very little, if any, concessions made. I think this time they have put their foot down and are going to let the chips fall where they may. The only change I see coming in this new policy will come when they re-evaluate the redeemed credits levels next year. Just my opinion, of course.

SNP · « **Reply #86 on:** September 15, 2010, 15:40 »

Lisa - I'm not an apologist, I think your approach on this one couldn't be more wrong. Sadly, hate seeing you on this bandwagon. I resent you and others gouging my livelihood. I hope they don't kowtow, it will set another terrible precedent and I'm tired of these protests.

anonymous · « **Reply #87 on:** September 15, 2010, 15:44 »

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 15:40

Lisa - I'm not an apologist, I think your approach on this one couldn't be more wrong. Sadly, hate seeing you on this bandwagon. I resent you and others gouging my livelihood. I hope they don't kowtow, it will set another terrible precedent and I'm tired of these protests.

you should resent "iStock" gouging your livlihood...one of us just doesn't get it... *sigh*

Microbius · « **Reply #88 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:06 »

Quote from: anonymous on September 15, 2010, 15:44

you should resent "iStock" gouging your livlihood...one of us just doesn't get it... *sigh*

I'm sure a lot of exclusives do resent it but feel effectively trapped. They have so much invested at IStock they feel there is no way out.
However, those who chose to throw there lot in with Getty will be even deeper in in two or three years when they are the ones on 15%.
It's take a stand or take a shafting for the rest of your micro career.
Don't be scared, you might think that you'll have a short term loss in income but it'll beat the long term loss you'll face as Getty slowly continues stripping away your percentage.
It's time to start negotiating with other agencies, it's gonna get harder not easier to disentangle yourselves, sooner the better.

Microbius · « **Reply #89 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:12 »

Quote from: anonymous on September 15, 2010, 13:33

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 12:44
my guess is that we'll all see some form of concession.
vasoline

genius

Norebbo · « **Reply #90 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:18 »

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 15:40

Lisa - I'm not an apologist, I think your approach on this one couldn't be more wrong. Sadly, hate seeing you on this bandwagon. I resent you and others gouging my livelihood. I hope they don't kowtow, it will set another terrible precedent and I'm tired of these protests.

Do you really believe that iStock (Getty) has your best intentions in mind? Take a stand for yourself and have some respect for your work! Getty (like any corporation) is in business for one reason only: to make money. I can assure you with nearly 100% certainty that they don't give a crap about you or your portfolio - you are merely a number to them (a expendable number) and yet you are defending them to the very end.

I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm not trying to insult you. Take some pride in your work and start branching out. Join other microstock sites. Launch your own website. Dive into macro. IMHO, depending so heavily on one company (Getty) is foolish.

SNP · « **Reply #91 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:19 »

Taking a stand based on what? Well done.

Norebbo · « **Reply #92 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:20 »

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 16:19

Taking a stand based on what? Well done.

You really think that Getty is being fair?

Norebbo · « **Reply #93 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:22 »

Quote from: Microbius on September 15, 2010, 16:06

Quote from: anonymous on September 15, 2010, 15:44
you should resent "iStock" gouging your livlihood...one of us just doesn't get it... *sigh*
I'm sure a lot of exclusives do resent it but feel effectively trapped. They have so much invested at IStock they feel there is no way out.
However, those who chose to throw there lot in with Getty will be even deeper in in two or three years when they are the ones on 15%.
It's take a stand or take a shafting for the rest of your micro career.
Don't be scared, you might think that you'll have a short term loss in income but it'll beat the long term loss you'll face as Getty slowly continues stripping away your percentage.
It's time to start negotiating with other agencies, it's gonna get harder not easier to disentangle yourselves, sooner the better.

Quoted for truth. Excellent post, and spot on.

gostwyck · « **Reply #94 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:22 »

Quote from: Microbius on September 15, 2010, 16:06

I'm sure a lot of exclusives do resent it but feel effectively trapped. They have so much invested at IStock they feel there is no way out.
However, those who chose to throw there lot in with Getty will be even deeper in in two or three years when they are the ones on 15%.
It's take a stand or take a shafting for the rest of your micro career.
Don't be scared, you might think that you'll have a short term loss in income but it'll beat the long term loss you'll face as Getty slowly continues stripping away your percentage.
It's time to start negotiating with other agencies, it's gonna get harder not easier to disentangle yourselves, sooner the better.

Yep __ that's about the truth of it. Istock have already put in place the architecture to ensure those RC levels will be raised every year. All but the very top contributors will have their incomes salami-sliced from here on in. Not a nice prospect.

Funny how so recently most of us considered the biggest threat to our microstock incomes to be our fellow contributors and the volumes of images being produced. How wrong we were.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #95 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:25 »

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 15:40

Lisa - I'm not an apologist, I think your approach on this one couldn't be more wrong. Sadly, hate seeing you on this bandwagon. I resent you and others gouging my livelihood. I hope they don't kowtow, it will set another terrible precedent and I'm tired of these protests.

I can't see why any independent would refer a buyer to iStock as soon as these new rates kick in. The only person to blame in this is IS for the cuts, not the independents for acting in their own interests as a result.

Microbius · « **Reply #96 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:26 »

Quote from: Norebbo on September 15, 2010, 16:18

I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm not trying to insult you. Take some pride in your work and start branching out. Join other microstock sites. Launch your own website. Dive into macro. IMHO, depending so heavily on one company (Getty) is foolish.

It's not foolish, people that have been successful exclusives are basically owned by Getty, they are scared to leave and who can blame them.
They are trapped where they are and things are only going to get worse for them.
The new pay structure makes them employees with none of the safeguards or benefits that would normally give you. They have to slave away like burger flippers at Maccy D's to get any sort of decent return, and heaven help you if you miss that target by a single download one year.

vlad_the_imp · « **Reply #97 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:27 »

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Funny how so recently most of us considered the biggest threat to our microstock incomes to be our fellow contributors and the volumes of images being produced. How wrong we were.

And if what you suggest will happen at iStock does happen, artists screwed into the ground, you think it won't start happening a your agency next?

lisafx · « **Reply #98 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:30 »

Quote from: jsnover on September 15, 2010, 16:25

I can't see why any independent would refer a buyer to iStock as soon as these new rates kick in. The only person to blame in this is IS for the cuts, not the independents for acting in their own interests as a result.

Thanks JoAnn. Having been on both sides of the fence you have a uniquely informed perspective. Glad you understand this is where most of us are coming from.

SNP · « **Reply #99 on:** September 15, 2010, 16:31 »

Quote from: jsnover on September 15, 2010, 16:25

Quote from: hawk_eye on September 15, 2010, 15:40
Lisa - I'm not an apologist, I think your approach on this one couldn't be more wrong. Sadly, hate seeing you on this bandwagon. I resent you and others gouging my livelihood. I hope they don't kowtow, it will set another terrible precedent and I'm tired of these protests.

I can't see why any independent would refer a buyer to iStock as soon as these new rates kick in. The only person to blame in this is IS for the cuts, not the independents for acting in their own interests as a result.

I don't see why they would refer someone either. But actively canvassing for istock buyers to leave is a whole other thing. And based onisinformation. I hope buyers see through it.

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