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« on: November 30, 2007, 22:32 »
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Here's the Getty share price chart.  Tells its own story.



It's quite clear that the 'old model' of stock photography has been destroyed by microstock.  Getty is trying valiantly to repair the damage, with 'new products' such as the $49 web special.  But all they seem to do is drive more and more customers to iStock.

According to Compete.com, visitors to istock's site are growing at a huge rate.

The big question for Getty shreholders is: how are they going to replace the 'lost profits'.

Yes, Getty are trying to diversify into other areas such as music.  But it seems to me that they have to work out a way of replacing lost photo income by increasing profits from iStock.  And that must mean much higher prices in due course.

Istock increased prices twice this year.  Next year I expect a further 20% rise (perhaps not all at once) and a more significant rise for the smaller images.

We'll see what happens.


« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2007, 23:19 »
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I don't really think microstock has destroyed anything at all.  It just exposed a formerly huge weakness in traditional stock---the extreme difficulty of photographers without inside contacts getting into high-paying stock, no matter how hard they tried.  I believe both the founders of IS and SS were in that category.  They basically invented micro as an answer to that huge entry barrier of traditional stock, which they tried to get into but weren't allowed to (and they're called "failed photographers" by the traditionals; I wish I could be a failure like them   ;) ).  Now we're just seeing the results of that wall coming down.  I think if anything is destroying the traditionals, it's the market itself.  They blame micro, but it's the market that decides.  Macro is trying to fight micro, but rather than doing that they need to reinvent themselves in order to survive; the old ways aren't going to cut it anymore.  High-paying commercial photography will be around for a long time, but it's going to be even harder to break into.  Thus, microstock will have to suffice for us lesser mortals.

As far as an Istockphoto price increase, I'm surely hoping for one.  However, I hope it's a true increase and not just another redesign of sizes (what...xxxsmall for 5 cents?)

« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2007, 05:03 »
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It's quite clear that the 'old model' of stock photography has been destroyed by microstock. 

How do you know that?  What proportion of the Getty profits come from microstock?  I have read that it is not a significant amount.  Some of the traditional stock sites still seem to be increasing profits.  A high proportion of the microstock market appears to be new customers who didn't use traditional stock sites before.

I don't think the share price falling is just caused by microstock.  It might only be a small factor.  Perhaps they have more competition from other stock sites.  When I look in the local card shops, there are lots of stock sites competing with Getty.

« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2007, 05:35 »
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"We have made tremendous progress expanding beyond our traditional creative stills imagery business on our way to becoming a complete digital media company," said Jonathan Klein, co-founder and chief executive officer. "During the last few months, we have re-engineered search with the launch of the new gettyimages.com, cemented our leadership position in the fast growing entertainment imagery business, expanded our multi-media and editorial footage offerings, launched an innovative new web-resolution product, entered the music industry, and launched our new Soundtrack digital music service. We are seeing tremendous growth in many parts of our business, have excellent potential in large addressable markets for music licensing and consumer, and are realistic about the challenges as we lead our industry forward through a time of change and opportunity."

Revenue increased 5.5 percent to $208.9 million from $197.9 million in the third quarter of 2006. Excluding the effects of changes in currency exchange rates, revenue grew 2.1 percent. Revenue growth came from increasing licenses for editorial and micropayment imagery, digital asset management, photo assignments, and publicity distribution. This growth was partially offset by lower revenues in the company's traditional creative stills business.

As a percentage of revenue, cost of revenue was 26.9 percent, compared to 25.4 percent in the prior year due to changes in the composition of the company's royalty free business. Other royalty free revenue is growing fast and has a lower gross margin than the traditional single image royalty free collections.

Selling, general and administrative expenses (SG&A) totaled $84.0 million or 40.2 percent of revenue for the third quarter of 2007, compared to $73.6 million or 37.2 percent of revenue in the third quarter of 2006. The increase over the prior year is directly attributable to recently acquired companies, the impact of changes in foreign exchange rates and investments that the company is making in areas that will drive future growth. The company undertook a restructuring during the quarter to reduce certain expenses resulting in a charge of $4.2 million.

Income from operations was $39.8 million. Excluding the restructuring charge of $4.2 million, income from operations was $44.0 million or 21.1 percent of revenue in the third quarter of 2007 compared to $54.2 million in the third quarter of 2006.

Net income for the third quarter of 2007 was $25.7 million with earnings per diluted share of $0.43, or $0.47 excluding the restructuring charge, compared to $37.3 million and $0.62 in the third quarter of 2006.

Cash balances were $303.0 million at September 30, 2007. During the quarter, the company paid down $40 million on its senior credit facility from existing cash balances leaving $80 million outstanding. Net cash provided by operating activities during the third quarter of 2007 was $56.9 million.

Business Outlook

The following forward-looking statements reflect Getty Images' expectations as of November 1, 2007. The company currently does not intend to update these forward-looking statements until the next quarterly results announcement.

For the full year 2007, the company expects revenue of approximately $850 million. This implies revenue of approximately $210 million for the fourth quarter of 2007.

The company expects full year diluted earnings per share of approximately $2.10, which includes about $0.10 per share for non-recurring items, comprised of the costs associated with a terminated acquisition in the first quarter of 2007, professional fees associated with the stock option review in the first and second quarters, and the restructuring charge in the third quarter. Excluding these items, the company would have expected diluted earnings per share of approximately $2.20.

Assuming fully diluted shares of approximately 60 million for the fourth quarter and the full year, the implied guidance for diluted earnings per share for the fourth quarter of 2007 is $0.48.

For 2008, the company expects revenue of approximately $900 million. "


« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2007, 05:37 »
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"Revenue growth came from increasing licenses for editorial and micropayment imagery, digital asset management, photo assignments, and publicity distribution. This growth was partially offset by lower revenues in the company's traditional creative stills business. "

« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2007, 05:40 »
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"Net income for the third quarter of 2007 was $25.7 million with earnings per diluted share of $0.43, or $0.47 excluding the restructuring charge, compared to $37.3 million and $0.62 in the third quarter of 2006."

ie: Net income fell from $37m to $26m, a drop of 30%.  And EPS fell from $0.62 to $0.47, a drop of 24%.

« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2007, 05:42 »
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"For the full year 2007, the company expects revenue of approximately $850 million."

"For 2008, the company expects revenue of approximately $900 million."

Where is it going to get the extra $50 million?

iStock will sell 20 million images this year and next.  An extra couple of bucks per sale would achieve the stated target.
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2007, 11:22 »
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horay to the rise of Microstock ;D

Actually i think photos were way overpriced in teh past and that microstock is here to stay. Although prices were low at the beginning...i believe in the years to come, prices will rise but not to the traditional stock level...

« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2007, 11:40 »
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The fact is that Getty has been a horrible stock to own for years, and the rise of microstock is only a part of that.

« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2007, 15:38 »
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I'm curious, why some here celebrate the losses in macrostock?

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2007, 07:07 »
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I'm curious, why some here celebrate the losses in macrostock?

Regards,
Adelaide

Because they are stupid. ;D

« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2007, 18:03 »
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Well, given that I know people who have been in macro for so many years and now get paid less and less for their work, I don't see the funny side of it.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2007, 20:40 »
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This thread wasn't started to be 'funny' or to cock a snoot at the Macro photographers.  Its intention was to highlight the difficulties facing Getty (and the other macro houses) and to put the emergence of microstock in perspective.

Having said that, I have spent some time looking at the collections offered by Getty, Corbis and Jupiter, and I must say that I am surprised by the high percentage of poor quality snapshots.  For years, these macro houses appear to have been 'clubs' where one can get a 'seat' through the 'who you know' route, or by having enough money to be able to buy a few Hasselblads or Bronicas.  I'm afraid that 80% of those photographers simply won't make the grade in the microstock world.

The problem has been caused simply by the huge change in technology which has allowed talented photographers to emerge whereas in the past many of those simply couldn't overcome the hurdeles placed in front of them by the macro houses.

It's only the same as when other technologies emerged years ago - look at how Henry Ford destroyed the motor car industry by his production line methods producing inexpensive cars for everyone.  Many niche manufacturers went bust, but the motor car industry flourished (in a different way and with different people at the forefront).

« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2007, 22:39 »
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Having said that, I have spent some time looking at the collections offered by Getty, Corbis and Jupiter, and I must say that I am surprised by the high percentage of poor quality snapshots.  For years, these macro houses appear to have been 'clubs' where one can get a 'seat' through the 'who you know' route, or by having enough money to be able to buy a few Hasselblads or Bronicas.  I'm afraid that 80% of those photographers simply won't make the grade in the microstock world.


Very true but very sad.  If they complain about it, it's probably them that dug their own graves through their own complacency.  SS and IS simply helped to open the gates of something that was technologically destined to come crashing through eventually anyway---the free market flood which was being held back by elite attitudes of the big stock houses.  I admit that micro prices have never impressed me, but the volume has usually made up for the low $.  Hopefully midstock will become a viable wave of the future.  It seems to have a lot of promise, if done correctly.

« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2007, 18:15 »
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The market used to have a lot less players.  Internet made connecting sellers and buyers much easier, and this also increased the number of buyers and sellers.

Mind you, when I had homework at school and needed an image, I had to search a pile of magazines my parents kept for that purpose.  Now my colleagues buy them in microstock. 

What is happening in the macro stock world is similar, I believe, to what happens in the CD market.  Record companies are losing money, partially because of their greed, but artists are losing their income too, and this is not fair.

Before the Japanese car makers invaded the Western markets, people used old, big, inefficient cars.  Then everyone loved having their Toyotas and Hondas.  But remember the impact this had in your economy.  Ok, GM, Dodge, Ford, etc where greedy and were living on a fairyland, then were slapped on their faces.  But this also destroyed the lives of the many workers who lost their jobs in those companies.  At the same time, of course, this employed workers in Japan, who were happy. 

In a way this is what is happening in stock photo market.  It is flooded by good quality imagery at much lower prices (even if not microstock prices).  Some new companies took advantage of this, most old companies are finding it difficult to adapt.  Old photographers are making less money.  Many new photographers who would have very little chance of selling are now selling a lot.

I agree however the big macrostock companies have a very elitist attitude.  Latinstock, which is associated with a big company (I don't remember which one now), hasn't even replied my email when I asked how to submit my images - I sent them no link or info, so they didn't take any look at my work.  Another one I saw online was very restrictive about the cameras they would accept, and Canon 400D/XTi was like a second class.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2007, 15:50 »
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Because I both buy and sell images I spend a lot of time going through new uploads especially at iStock and what I see is some real pro work coming through especially in the past few months.

It's no doubt that some of these guys and gals are joining up with microstock. Some of the old trad photographers work is no better than what can be had at the micros and I'm sure that hurts. But, there are the pros and then there are the pros and you can tell the difference. The real pro work will kick some of us where it hurts, myself included.

The trads will continue to lose money but some of the trad photographers won't. They will continue to kick ass with their stunning work.


« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2007, 14:42 »
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Wow - iStock has just announced huge price increases.

« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2007, 15:30 »
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I saw the iStock announcement. But how much up the prices are with current ones?

vphoto

« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2007, 17:50 »
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Do I hear "increase"??  :D

Regards,
Adelaide


 

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