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Title: My first flame
Post by: madelaide on May 23, 2010, 20:24
I thought it would still take a few days, but here it is.  My first image to reach 100 dlds at IS:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=5040660 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=5040660)

And I think it is also my 2000th sale at IS.  I have to check that, because this is updated in delay.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: FD on May 23, 2010, 21:24
It's a plain prop that every microstocker has but the composition/cropping is very creative, and also the color tones. Well deserved. How many tried to copy it?  ;)
(it's the kind of shot for which you bang yourself on the head: hey I could have done that too, but you didn't  :P)
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: donding on May 23, 2010, 21:33
Congrats madelaide...it is a very creative shot. Like FD said it's not your basic shot.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: Graffoto on May 24, 2010, 00:19
Congrats on that! Nice clean shot, its little wonder that it has sold well.

I'm still 13 DLs away form my first flame.
It would really be cool to finally get one of those suckers  ;D
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: sharpshot on May 24, 2010, 03:32
Congrats, mine keep selling after they reach 100, I used to worry that it would put buyers off, seeing it has been used so many times before but that doesn't seem to happen.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: Dreamframer on May 24, 2010, 04:09
Woooo! Congrats Adelaide! :)
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: Clivia on May 24, 2010, 04:31
Well done Madelaide. Here's hoping you soon have more flames!  :)
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Post by: youralleffingnuts on May 24, 2010, 06:45
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Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: crazychristina on May 24, 2010, 06:52
Congrats on the achievement, and hope you have many more.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: cathyslife on May 24, 2010, 07:05
congratulations!
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: madelaide on May 24, 2010, 09:07
Thanks everyone, and it was indeed my 2000th dld (IS says 1999th because they don't count one print, but I count it as a dld too).

This took a bit over two years, so it's not any prodigy.  I have another with 94 dlds, so I may get a second flame sometime this year.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: Opla on May 24, 2010, 09:27
Well, double congrats then!
Reminds me of my stethoscope I still have to photograph tough  ;)
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: pet_chia on May 24, 2010, 09:32
Well done, and thanks for sharing.  I find it very encouraging.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: m@m on May 24, 2010, 09:37
Well done Maria!...great shot!!!
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: madelaide on May 24, 2010, 09:54
We have the stethoscope for our old sphygmomanometer (blood pressure measuring instrument).  If anyone needs, I can take your pressure.   :D

Curiously, I never easly find this image searching for obvious things like "stethoscope white background" or "stethoscope isolated", so it's really suprising that it sells well.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: sharply_done on May 24, 2010, 10:27
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Curiously, I never easly find this image searching for obvious things like "stethoscope white background" or "stethoscope isolated", so it's really suprising that it sells well.

Your image will never be found using the search "stethoscope white background" because you don't have it keyworded well enough for that. Yes, you have "stethoscope" and "white background", but you don't have "white" or "backgrounds", which you need because of the way iStock's search engine works. When multiple search words are used it breaks down the search into its individual terms, so that "stethoscope white background"  becomes a search for "stethoscope" and "white" and "background". Same thing holds true for "storm cloud full moon", which becomes "storm" and "cloud" and "full" and "moon". iStock sure could learn a thing or two from Google.

Congrats on the flame, madelaide, I hope you have many more.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: Talanis on May 24, 2010, 10:39
Congrats Maria!! I'm 4 DL away from my first flame
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: madelaide on May 24, 2010, 10:54
Yes, you have "stethoscope" and "white background", but you don't have "white" or "backgrounds", which you need because of the way iStock's search engine works.

Actually I tried stethoscope "white background", but I'm sure very few people would use the quotation marks.  And I didn't add the separate keywords because background alone doesn't make much sense.  Should I add both anyway to any "white background"?
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: luissantos84 on May 24, 2010, 11:51
congrats, my parents are both doctors and I don't have any stethoscope picture :P
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: sharply_done on May 24, 2010, 12:55
Yes, you have "stethoscope" and "white background", but you don't have "white" or "backgrounds", which you need because of the way iStock's search engine works.

Actually I tried stethoscope "white background", but I'm sure very few people would use the quotation marks.  And I didn't add the separate keywords because background alone doesn't make much sense.  Should I add both anyway to any "white background"?

Your keywords have to take into account how the search engine works, so yes, you should. There's also one big huge caveat: You will incur a search penalty once you modify your keywords - I'm guessing they do this to discourage/counteract people trying to game the system.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: VB inc on May 24, 2010, 13:10
There's also one big huge caveat: You will incur a search penalty once you modify your keywords - I'm guessing they do this to discourage/counteract people trying to game the system.

Is this written down somewhere? this is the first time for me to hear something like this and quite useful info for me to know if its true
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: sharply_done on May 24, 2010, 13:18
There's also one big huge caveat: You will incur a search penalty once you modify your keywords - I'm guessing they do this to discourage/counteract people trying to game the system.

Is this written down somewhere? this is the first time for me to hear something like this and quite useful info for me to know if its true

Try it yourself: Note the best match placement of one of your images, modify the keywords, then check the best match placement after the changes take effect.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: cathyslife on May 24, 2010, 13:58
Try it yourself: Note the best match placement of one of your images, modify the keywords, then check the best match placement after the changes take effect.

Are there any instances in which changing keywords makes a photo show up with better best match placement? For instance, if one of my older photos has a ton of irrelevent (by today's standards) keywords and I edit those out, is there a chance my photo will now show up better placed? Just curious, have not tested myself. If you know for a fact that the answer is no, then that means that IS does punish you intentionally just for changing your keywords, even if you are changing them for the better!
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: crazychristina on May 24, 2010, 14:19
An admin (emyerson) told people at a lypse recently to review keywords regularly. If an image has a not very relevant keyword listed first then it will be pushed back in search for other more relevant keywords. I think the suggestion was to delete irrelevant keywords that are at the top of the keyword list.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: cathyslife on May 24, 2010, 14:21
An admin (emyerson) told people at a lypse recently to review keywords regularly. If an image has a not very relevant keyword listed first then it will be pushed back in search for other more relevant keywords. I think the suggestion was to delete irrelevant keywords that are at the top of the keyword list.

Makes sense, good advice.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: madelaide on May 24, 2010, 14:43
Maybe the search engine considers the addition of keywords as something bad, and the removal as something good.  It makes sense when people submit with few keywords to avoid a rejection due to them.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: Kone on May 24, 2010, 20:12
Congrats on the flame, madelaide.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: sharply_done on May 24, 2010, 21:59
Maybe the search engine considers the addition of keywords as something bad, and the removal as something good.  It makes sense when people submit with few keywords to avoid a rejection due to them.

Yes, I'd agree that adding keywords might be looked at in a negative light, and removing them a positive one, but I doubt they have the resources/power to track keyword changes. It's likely they use only a single field in their database to indicate when a keywording change was made.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: leaf on May 25, 2010, 00:53
congrats.  nice shot.
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: Gannet77 on May 25, 2010, 05:23
Maybe the search engine considers the addition of keywords as something bad, and the removal as something good.  It makes sense when people submit with few keywords to avoid a rejection due to them.

If the perception that adding/removing keywords affects the best match placement is true, I doubt that it's an intentional penalty - thinking as a programmer myself, it might be the case that, since keyword weighting was introduced, one factor in the best match could be the average keyword weight, which would improve the position for images with keywords that work well.

If that were the case, then new keywords would have zero weight and would reduce the average, at least temporarily, until they were actually used to buy an image, so additional keywords would be bad for the best match.

On the other hand, a buyer has to find the image before they can buy it - so don't let that discourage you from adding appropriate keywords!

Just speculation though, I have no special knowledge of the best match...
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: davidtinonino on July 02, 2010, 04:43
An admin (emyerson) told people at a lypse recently to review keywords regularly. If an image has a not very relevant keyword listed first then it will be pushed back in search for other more relevant keywords. I think the suggestion was to delete irrelevant keywords that are at the top of the keyword list.

Makes sense, good advice.

Can I rank most important keywords in some way?

Is it better less or more keywords?
Title: Re: My first flame
Post by: nicolesy on July 03, 2010, 21:01
An admin (emyerson) told people at a lypse recently to review keywords regularly. If an image has a not very relevant keyword listed first then it will be pushed back in search for other more relevant keywords. I think the suggestion was to delete irrelevant keywords that are at the top of the keyword list.

Makes sense, good advice.

Can I rank most important keywords in some way?
Is it better less or more keywords?

It doesn't matter how many keywords you have, as long as they are all relevant.
Title: Me too!
Post by: Graffoto on July 07, 2010, 14:41
I have to pat myself on the back a little today, as I too have joined the flame club!
It only took a little over 1.5 years for the file to get its 100th DL.
But two DLs today, put it over the top  ;D