Author Topic: New price filter (Read 29450 times)

nruboc · « **Reply #50 on:** June 24, 2011, 00:57 »

Quote from: sjlocke on June 23, 2011, 18:14

Wow. My hour old blog post is the top google result for 'istockphoto pricing filter'. I don't know how they do that so fast!

Wow... how fascinating, gotta be proud of that considering all the competition for the search term 'istockphoto pricing filter'...LOL

ffNixx · « **Reply #51 on:** June 24, 2011, 01:12 »

For my own sake if for no other I wish this feature well, but I have doubts.

- It doesn't reduce complexity of operating a search at iStock and I doubt it's enough to attract those who have left for other, simpler sites.
- If you move the slider up from the minimum, more vectors appear. If you're looking for photos as most buyers are, this gives the impression of spoiling the search and reducing the incentive to see E+ files.
- moving the slider up and then looking at the results, it can be difficult to discern what's included in the results that wasn't there before.

A simple tickbox to toggle display of Vetta/Agency would have been simpler and wouldn't have jeopardised E+ sales and potentially vector sales.

With the slider, people will now be asking for display tiers per collection, to make better sense of the results. In other words, the slider has to evolve into a search-by-collection. And I'm not looking forward to that.

XPTO · « **Reply #52 on:** June 24, 2011, 02:16 »

Unfortunately, I prefer to keep extremely skeptical regarding any news from IS. So no commemorations from me at this point.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them cut commissions based on the new search option, for example. They are still the same untrustworthy and exploitive agency as they've always been.

And don't forget, that even if they allow to exclude the most expensive results from the search results, they still manipulate them to fit their own greedy agenda. So, I don't see this as a great improvement if they end-up pushing non-exclusives even further down the best match results.

For example, I have one of the most downloaded (and best) images in a certain popular search, but it's not to be seen in the best match results in the first tenths of pages. The price slider is useless for these cases. And people here seem to be forgetting that it's these "tweaks" that have been screw*ng their income, together with the "Redeemed Credits" story, just because a slider suddenly popped-up...

Again, I'll wait until the end of the year to commemorate.

$:-\$

travelstock · « **Reply #53 on:** June 24, 2011, 02:51 »

I think you're assuming that excluding Vetta and agency is the only thing buyers would want to do - I'm sure some would also use it the other way - to search only Vetta, Agency and E+.

Quote from: ffNixx on June 24, 2011, 01:12

For my own sake if for no other I wish this feature well, but I have doubts.

- It doesn't reduce complexity of operating a search at iStock and I doubt it's enough to attract those who have left for other, simpler sites.
- If you move the slider up from the minimum, more vectors appear. If you're looking for photos as most buyers are, this gives the impression of spoiling the search and reducing the incentive to see E+ files.
- moving the slider up and then looking at the results, it can be difficult to discern what's included in the results that wasn't there before.

A simple tickbox to toggle display of Vetta/Agency would have been simpler and wouldn't have jeopardised E+ sales and potentially vector sales.

With the slider, people will now be asking for display tiers per collection, to make better sense of the results. In other words, the slider has to evolve into a search-by-collection. And I'm not looking forward to that.

cobalt · « **Reply #54 on:** June 24, 2011, 03:43 »

I think a slider has the advantage that they can create as many collections as they want and the slider stays the same. Otherwise you need many tickboxes, or have to add/remove them whenever there are changes.

I didn't realize you can move the bottom slider as well. This will be very useul for the buyer who wants to look at the more exclusive material.

ShadySue · « **Reply #55 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:18 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 24, 2011, 03:43

I didn't realize you can move the bottom slider as well. This will be very useul for the buyer who wants to look at the more exclusive material.

Unfortunately, that means that exclusive files can be filtered out - something we were promised (by JJRD) would 'never' happen. But what is an iStock promise worth?

cobalt · « **Reply #56 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:23 »

Exclusive files are in every search at every price point...

ffNixx · « **Reply #57 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:28 »

Quote from: holgs on June 24, 2011, 02:51

I think you're assuming that excluding Vetta and agency is the only thing buyers would want to do - I'm sure some would also use it the other way - to search only Vetta, Agency and E+.

I think the price conscious buyers that will use the slider will want to find the cheapest files they can use, and fast. Those who are in the market for V&A have no motive to use the slider at all.

It's fairly obvious the slider is too fine grained and deprecates E+.

Eyedesign · « **Reply #58 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:31 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 24, 2011, 04:23

Exclusive files are in every search at every price point...

You're fast day J!

ShadySue · « **Reply #59 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:32 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 24, 2011, 04:23

Exclusive files are in every search at every price point...

Yes, but that's semantics. I'd expect when JJRD (IIRC) promised that exclusive files wouldn't be filtered out, most people would have 'assumed' that mean 'no exclusive files would be filtered out'. Essentially, by moving the slider up a notch, a buyer won't see over 90% of my 'exclusive' files.
I guess that's what comes of making a wide promise: people read into it what wasn't intended.

cobalt · « **Reply #60 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:37 »

Well the "exclusive illustrations, videos, editorial" etc...can already be filtered out and nobody complained. I think giving the buyer best options for his search is in everyones interest.

lagereek · « **Reply #61 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:57 »

Listen to all this!!!!

, top slider can be moved, now the bottom slider can be moved, filtering out this and filtering out that, here, there, everywhere!!

blimey, who in their wildest dreams would think the average buyer have got the time or will ever bother to find out.

If they didnt use the rolldown list, then what.

Your not supposed to be a civil-engineer to just do a simple search.

Members like ourselves, oh yeah, will will know, we got time to sit there and play with ourselves, I just doubt buyers are all that interested?

ShadySue · « **Reply #62 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:18 »

Quote from: lagereek on June 24, 2011, 04:57

blimey, who in their wildest dreams would think the average buyer have got the time or will ever bother to find out.

You seem to have as little respect for buyers as you do for your fellow contributors.

I guess they'll be able to learn how to use it very easily, if they want to. If they don't care, they won't use it. That simple.
Yesterday I was researching two possible trips I'll be making.
Guess what? I was on several different sites, but have bookmarks only the two that gave me the most filtering options. Otherwise I was just having to look through far too many irrelevant results (too vague/wide).
And totally offthread and offtopic, one of the two offered an option I've often wished for. Want to get away next week and don't care where? I've wished for this for years. Type in from one to three nearest airports and your dates and it tells you what's available. How good is that? Most sites only let you input one 'from' airport, and I'm equidistant from two, so that immediately halves my searching time, and I don't have to guess possible destinations and do many searches to see if there 'happens' to be last minute possibilities for each destination in turn.

Give the buyers as many options as possible, so long as it works.
Those who don't need the options don't have to use them; those who want them will be very grateful.

lagereek · « **Reply #63 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:45 »

Quote from: ShadySue on June 24, 2011, 05:18

Quote from: lagereek on June 24, 2011, 04:57
blimey, who in their wildest dreams would think the average buyer have got the time or will ever bother to find out.
You seem to have as little respect for buyers as you do for your fellow contributors.

I guess they'll be able to learn how to use it very easily, if they want to. If they don't care, they won't use it. That simple.
Yesterday I was researching two possible trips I'll be making.
Guess what? I was on several different sites, but have bookmarks only the two that gave me the most filtering options. Otherwise I was just having to look through far too many irrelevant results (too vague/wide).
And totally offthread and offtopic, one of the two offered an option I've often wished for. Want to get away next week and don't care where? I've wished for this for years. Type in from one to three nearest airports and your dates and it tells you what's available. How good is that? Most sites only let you input one 'from' airport, and I'm equidistant from two, so that immediately halves my searching time, and I don't have to guess possible destinations and do many searches to see if there 'happens' to be last minute possibilities for each destination in turn.

Give the buyers as many options as possible, so long as it works.
Those who don't need the options don't have to use them; those who want them will be very grateful.

Well Sue, and you seem to classify them as morons, having nothing else to do but learning differant techniques of how to find a picture. I can tell you have never been to a busy design-service or agency, because then you know that speed is of the essence, not learning how to find but simply to find it and quickly.

As I said, if it works great! Im all for it. Heck, anything is better then before, just that I cant figure out how this will benefit us contributors when the same shots are taking up exactly the same places, unless all buyers have got plenty of time, etc.

How many do you think bothered with the rolldown-list of "downloads, age, best match, ? I know plenty of buyers and not one of them ever used it, many didnt even know it was there.

Ofcourse! since you only shoot for one agency, no doubt you have all the answers? give me a break will ya.

ShadySue · « **Reply #64 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:48 »

Quote from: lagereek on June 24, 2011, 05:45

Ofcourse! since you only shoot for one agency, no doubt you have all the answers? give me a break will ya.

Don't speak of that which you are ignorant.
I've remembered why I had you on ignore. Please feel free to reciprocate.

lagereek · « **Reply #65 on:** June 24, 2011, 06:09 »

Quote from: ShadySue on June 24, 2011, 05:48

Quote from: lagereek on June 24, 2011, 05:45
Ofcourse! since you only shoot for one agency, no doubt you have all the answers? give me a break will ya.
Don't speak of that which you are ignorant.
I've remembered why I had you on ignore. Please feel free to reciprocate.

Yeah well do me a favour, PLEASE! put me on ignore again and FASTER then your head will spinn. Go somewhere else with your schneidy remarks as if YOU would care for your fellow contributors.

feel free to reciprocate

lagereek · « **Reply #66 on:** June 24, 2011, 06:34 »

Quote from: holgs on June 24, 2011, 02:51

I think you're assuming that excluding Vetta and agency is the only thing buyers would want to do - I'm sure some would also use it the other way - to search only Vetta, Agency and E+.

Quote from: ffNixx on June 24, 2011, 01:12
For my own sake if for no other I wish this feature well, but I have doubts.

- It doesn't reduce complexity of operating a search at iStock and I doubt it's enough to attract those who have left for other, simpler sites.
- If you move the slider up from the minimum, more vectors appear. If you're looking for photos as most buyers are, this gives the impression of spoiling the search and reducing the incentive to see E+ files.
- moving the slider up and then looking at the results, it can be difficult to discern what's included in the results that wasn't there before.

A simple tickbox to toggle display of Vetta/Agency would have been simpler and wouldn't have jeopardised E+ sales and potentially vector sales.

With the slider, people will now be asking for display tiers per collection, to make better sense of the results. In other words, the slider has to evolve into a search-by-collection. And I'm not looking forward to that.

Hi Holgs! how goes?

Youre right actually, ofcourse people will search for Vettas and E+. Honestly the Vettas and E+, doesnt bother me the slightest, its the normal perks of the exclusives, they are taking a risk putting their eggs in one basket and yes! they should get rewarded for it. Why not.
I myself was given to select around 500 files for P+ and yes, they are selling well.

I think whats beginning to emerge is that inspectors have been too frivolous, too easy going in accepting Vetta nominations, could be from neewbies, beginners or whatever, nominating a whole bunch of their own favorites, you know. It reflects in many, many searches, very generic, middle of the road files as Vettas. This is no good. Ofcourse on the other scale are plenty of brillant Vettas!

I mean, some here, exclusivly bound to IS, ( not you) but they are reacting with total euforia as if its the greatest thing since sliced bread, forgetting that all the millions of files are still in their old slot.
Then comes a little slider? which is supposed to change all that.

well............... all the best.

caspixel · « **Reply #67 on:** June 24, 2011, 08:28 »

Well, it already seems to be broken. I moved the slider down to the first dot and what is on the first page? All Vetta and Agency. Way to go iStock!

EDIT: It seems you have to click the dot rather than move the slider. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of using a slider?

And people are talking about a bottom slider? What bottom slider?

microstockphoto.co.uk · « **Reply #68 on:** June 24, 2011, 08:50 »

Seems good. Including the fact that P+ are included in dot 1.

lagereek · « **Reply #69 on:** June 24, 2011, 08:58 »

Quote from: caspixel on June 24, 2011, 08:28

Well, it already seems to be broken. I moved the slider down to the first dot and what is on the first page? All Vetta and Agency. Way to go iStock!

EDIT: It seems you have to click the dot rather than move the slider. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of using a slider?

And people are talking about a bottom slider? What bottom slider?

Cas! your slider/dots are wonky, mine is working fine. Try the dots.

jamirae · « **Reply #70 on:** June 24, 2011, 09:13 »

Quote from: lagereek on June 24, 2011, 00:33

Its long overdue, thats for sure. Im still a bit sceptical, we have all these things, sliders, rolle-down lists and now pricing, etc.

Personally speaking I think the whole thing, the entire best match, alogarithm, everything needs revamping, start all over, fresh. Yes a brand new search-engine where the main criteria for the buyers benefit should be, speed, relevance and quality ( showing half a page with files thats been there for months and with zero or a few dls only, does not proof quality nor speed, Vettas, agency, P+, E+, or whatever is irrelevant)

Ogilvys, famous shoe-shop example: dont flaunt last years models in the shop-window! they are already second-hand.

I also think the inspection for Vetta/agency files should be a lot more strignent especially since they are going to be right up front (irrespective of pricing sliders).
Lots of photographers have just nominated their own favorites and the inspectors have turned a blind eye, consequently we have a whole heap of just generic stuff and on premiere pages.

I sincerely hope this pricing-slider will fill a function but my fears are it wont be used or its yet another technicality for buyers.

wait, what? I didn't see any vetta/agency staying on the top page when I searched at the lower price ranges. did i miss a post somewhere? (I tend to skim, so maybe I read over/past something?)

lagereek · « **Reply #71 on:** June 24, 2011, 09:18 »

Quote from: jamirae on June 24, 2011, 09:13

Quote from: lagereek on June 24, 2011, 00:33
Its long overdue, thats for sure. Im still a bit sceptical, we have all these things, sliders, rolle-down lists and now pricing, etc.

Personally speaking I think the whole thing, the entire best match, alogarithm, everything needs revamping, start all over, fresh. Yes a brand new search-engine where the main criteria for the buyers benefit should be, speed, relevance and quality ( showing half a page with files thats been there for months and with zero or a few dls only, does not proof quality nor speed, Vettas, agency, P+, E+, or whatever is irrelevant)

Ogilvys, famous shoe-shop example: dont flaunt last years models in the shop-window! they are already second-hand.

I also think the inspection for Vetta/agency files should be a lot more strignent especially since they are going to be right up front (irrespective of pricing sliders).
Lots of photographers have just nominated their own favorites and the inspectors have turned a blind eye, consequently we have a whole heap of just generic stuff and on premiere pages.

I sincerely hope this pricing-slider will fill a function but my fears are it wont be used or its yet another technicality for buyers.

wait, what? I didn't see any vetta/agency staying on the top page when I searched at the lower price ranges. did i miss a post somewhere? (I tend to skim, so maybe I read over/past something?)

Nope. youre misreading it, before the price-slide came into action. Now its working fine.

I was refering to the earlier inspection of Vettas. Shouldnt just let anything pass only because someone nominates it.

leaf · « **Reply #72 on:** June 24, 2011, 09:54 »

I totally didn't realize that the bottom slider could move up. i wonder how many buyers will miss that?

SNP · « **Reply #73 on:** June 24, 2011, 09:57 »

Quote from: leaf on June 24, 2011, 09:54

I totally didn't realize that the bottom slider could move up. i wonder how many buyers will miss that?

I think buyers that are worried about price will learn how to use it. and the rest may barely notice it, and will use best match results. there are so many 'drill down' options in the search now, this is just one additional sort method.

cathyslife · « **Reply #74 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:02 »

Quote from: leaf on June 24, 2011, 09:54

I totally didn't realize that the bottom slider could move up. i wonder how many buyers will miss that?

I missed it at first too. Again, why not just list collections with a check box so a buyer can just search different collections? Doesn't that sound easy? Why does everything added to their site require a big long list of instructions on how to use.

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Author Topic: New price filter (Read 29450 times)

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