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« Reply #275 on: December 10, 2012, 20:25 »
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More graphs posted but I have to warn you, its R-rated and could upset you

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=349591&page=18


you are kidding  :) I am loving those graphs  :D


« Reply #276 on: December 10, 2012, 20:46 »
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More graphs posted but I have to warn you, its R-rated and could upset you

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=349591&page=18


you are kidding  :) I am loving those graphs  :D


Not really. Whilst I am really glad that Istock themselves appear to have been negatively impacted by their greed, and hope it serves as a warning to other agencies, it's clearly not good for individual exclusive contributors whose stability of income has been so damaged by the incompetence of IS/GI management. Spare a thought for them and their generosity in sharing their data for the greater good of others.

« Reply #277 on: December 10, 2012, 21:06 »
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More graphs posted but I have to warn you, its R-rated and could upset you

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=349591&page=18


you are kidding  :) I am loving those graphs  :D


Not really. Whilst I am really glad that Istock themselves appear to have been negatively impacted by their greed, and hope it serves as a warning to other agencies, it's clearly not good for individual exclusive contributors whose stability of income has been so damaged by the incompetence of IS/GI management. Spare a thought for them and their generosity in sharing their data for the greater good of others.


I am of course not happy about the situation individual exclusives are in.. but they have a wayout.. it's not the end for them.. it's only a time for change.. they can go non-exclusive and survive whatever happens to istock..

so again.. I am hoping istock will go down and down until there is no where to go..

if anything, this will be great for exclusives.. they will finally be able to breath the reality and stop worrying..

after all, as a non-exclusive, istock makes less than %6-7 of my earnings..

PS: any exclusive who will ditch the crown after reading this MUST BEWARE that I am submitting to 18 agencies and that involves a lot of work..

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« Reply #278 on: December 10, 2012, 21:10 »
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More graphs posted but I have to warn you, its R-rated and could upset you

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=349591&page=18


you are kidding  :) I am loving those graphs  :D


Not really. Whilst I am really glad that Istock themselves appear to have been negatively impacted by their greed, and hope it serves as a warning to other agencies, it's clearly not good for individual exclusive contributors whose stability of income has been so damaged by the incompetence of IS/GI management. Spare a thought for them and their generosity in sharing their data for the greater good of others.


I am of course not happy about the situation individual exclusives are in.. but they have a wayout.. it's not the end for them.. it's only a time for change.. they can go non-exclusive and survive whatever happens to istock..

so again.. I am hoping istock will go down and down until there is no where to go..

if anything, this will be great for exclusives.. they will finally be able to breath the reality and stop worrying..

after all, as a non-exclusive, istock makes less than %6-7 of my earnings..

PS: any exclusive who will ditch the crown after reading this MUST BEWARE that I am submitting to 18 agencies and that involves a lot of work..


If IS went under I wonder how a massive flood of new images at SS and other sites would affect everyone elses sales.

« Reply #279 on: December 10, 2012, 21:13 »
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If IS went under I wonder how a massive flood of new images at SS and other sites would affect everyone elses sales.

it can't be good for us.. if all of them were to go non-exclusive they should also lower their expectations as there is gonna be a lot of competition..

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« Reply #280 on: December 10, 2012, 21:15 »
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If IS went under I wonder how a massive flood of new images at SS and other sites would affect everyone elses sales.

it can't be good for us.. if all of them were to go non-exclusive they should also lower their expectations as there is gonna be a lot of competition..

Well, anybody that's hoping for IS to fail may want to think about how that would affect them.

« Reply #281 on: December 10, 2012, 21:16 »
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More graphs posted but I have to warn you, its R-rated and could upset you

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=349591&page=18


you are kidding  :) I am loving those graphs  :D


Not really. Whilst I am really glad that Istock themselves appear to have been negatively impacted by their greed, and hope it serves as a warning to other agencies, it's clearly not good for individual exclusive contributors whose stability of income has been so damaged by the incompetence of IS/GI management. Spare a thought for them and their generosity in sharing their data for the greater good of others.


I am of course not happy about the situation individual exclusives are in.. but they have a wayout.. it's not the end for them.. it's only a time for change.. they can go non-exclusive and survive whatever happens to istock..

so again.. I am hoping istock will go down and down until there is no where to go..

if anything, this will be great for exclusives.. they will finally be able to breath the reality and stop worrying..

after all, as a non-exclusive, istock makes less than %6-7 of my earnings..

PS: any exclusive who will ditch the crown after reading this MUST BEWARE that I am submitting to 18 agencies and that involves a lot of work..


If IS went under I wonder how a massive flood of new images at SS and other sites would affect everyone elses sales.


really? I have the feeling that most exclusives hate "subscription" agencies, perhaps joining FT or DT exclusivity ;D

« Reply #282 on: December 10, 2012, 21:22 »
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If IS went under I wonder how a massive flood of new images at SS and other sites would affect everyone elses sales.

I have absolutely no problem with that. Bring it on. At least the other agencies, most importantly SS, are a genuine meritocracy when it comes to default sort-order position. I'd say that the concept of a level playing-field would be far more worrying for exclusives who have always enjoyed an artifical boost for their work.

« Reply #283 on: December 10, 2012, 21:24 »
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If IS went under I wonder how a massive flood of new images at SS and other sites would affect everyone elses sales.

it can't be good for us.. if all of them were to go non-exclusive they should also lower their expectations as there is gonna be a lot of competition..

Well, anybody that's hoping for IS to fail may want to think about how that would affect them.

well, if IS goes bankrupt, there will be some buyers to come to other agencies along with exclusive contributors.. IS still have some buyers..

I would rather have them shop at agencies that pay %50.. we should try our best to redirect those buyers to agencies like stockfresh..

exclusives pool is not as big as you are worrying about.. vast majority of IS content is still non-exclusive..

« Reply #284 on: December 10, 2012, 21:29 »
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I'd say that the concept of a level playing-field would be far more worrying for exclusives who have always enjoyed an artifical boost for their work.

exactly! IS search favors exclusives.. so some of them should be ready for a rude awakening..

« Reply #285 on: December 10, 2012, 21:37 »
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6106 exclusives (photo) - 5 365 227 files (over 81M sales)
1690 exclusives (illustration) - 1 094 179 files (over 31M sales)
1839 exclusives (video) - 1 390 466 files (close to 20M sales)

Latest update: June 6, 2012.

(http://www.microstocktime.com/tool/stats/is/)

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« Reply #286 on: December 10, 2012, 21:40 »
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If IS went under I wonder how a massive flood of new images at SS and other sites would affect everyone elses sales.

I have absolutely no problem with that. Bring it on. At least the other agencies, most importantly SS, are a genuine meritocracy when it comes to default sort-order position. I'd say that the concept of a level playing-field would be far more worrying for exclusives who have always enjoyed an artifical boost for their work.

There are also probably a lot of people with exceptional work that have been buried in the search as evidenced by all of the higher end contributors reporting dismal sales and complaints of broken best match.

I'm not suggesting IS going under would be bad for everybody else. I'm merely saying it would have an impact. How much of an impact, who knows. But there without a doubt would be a massive increase in supply and no way of knowing how much of the demand would end up at the other sites.

You seem pretty confident your work is better than everyone elses so you clearly have nothing to worry about.

« Reply #287 on: December 10, 2012, 21:42 »
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I don't want IS to fail - I make good money from them each month. I would like them to fix their busted site, drop the RC system and scrap all the Getty zombie images on the site - with a decent, working site and 20% royalties things might look pretty decent as a #2 earner in the monthly sweepstakes.

I don't submit to 18 agencies and I can't imagine there's enough return from most of those to make it worth it. However, no exclusive has an easy year ahead of them if they switch to being independent - there will be a temporary nosedive of income while sales pick up elsewhere.

And as for not wanting to have to compete with exclusives elsewhere, I'm not worried about that. I'm already competing with them at iStock and would just do the same elsewhere. I think it might even pull more buyers to an agency like Shutterstock if there were some great new work there from former exclusives. Rising tide lifts all boats thus benefitting me too. Come for the newbies and spend a few dollars on my stuff as well :)

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« Reply #288 on: December 10, 2012, 21:44 »
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really? I have the feeling that most exclusives hate "subscription" agencies, perhaps joining FT or DT exclusivity ;D

I love subscription sites and they love me too.

« Reply #289 on: December 10, 2012, 22:01 »
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really? I have the feeling that most exclusives hate "subscription" agencies, perhaps joining FT or DT exclusivity ;D

I love subscription sites and they love me too.

sorry but I don't see most exclusives selling their work starting at 25 cents, I really don't, I could give you a few examples, of course I won't tell them here, I would say most will sell in agencies outside microstock as they are already I guess

sure there will be a few millions of files jumping into SS, that said previous buyers won't be very happy but hey thats life!

« Reply #290 on: December 10, 2012, 22:10 »
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If IS went under I wonder how a massive flood of new images at SS and other sites would affect everyone elses sales.

it can't be good for us.. if all of them were to go non-exclusive they should also lower their expectations as there is gonna be a lot of competition..

Well, anybody that's hoping for IS to fail may want to think about how that would affect them.

well, if IS goes bankrupt, there will be some buyers to come to other agencies along with exclusive contributors.. IS still have some buyers..

I would rather have them shop at agencies that pay %50.. we should try our best to redirect those buyers to agencies like stockfresh..

exclusives pool is not as big as you are worrying about.. vast majority of IS content is still non-exclusive..

Stockxpert which was an excellent marketplace and gave good commissions to its contributors sold to Jupiter, which was later acquired by Getty who then put Stockxpert images onto Thinkstock. I couldn't think of a worse outcome. The former owner of Stockxpert then created Stockfresh, which has the potential to be an excellent marketplace also. But the track record indicates that he might not keep it once it becomes a great marketplace, and then we're back in the same situation.

This is I know is a worry about all the agencies not just Stockfresh, but at least the criteria to give more support for an agency should be to those with good commissions and where the owners have never sold.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2012, 22:13 by Microstock Posts »

« Reply #291 on: December 10, 2012, 22:33 »
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This is I know is a worry about all the agencies not just Stockfresh, but at least the criteria to give more support for an agency should be to those with good commissions and where the owners have never sold.

that's a good point..

« Reply #292 on: December 11, 2012, 01:36 »
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I'm tired of all the discussion about istock, I think the general consensus is that they're never going to be able to admit to and fix all their problems.  What about the sites that have followed their demotivating strategies?  Are FT going to end up in the same mess or will they be able to see where this is going and do something about it?  It might be too late for them already.  Will DT carry on ignoring their contributors concerns until its too late?  I don't really care about 123RF, they're insignificant.

Good points!

Yes this should be a lesson for all and I mean all agencies regardless of their IPO morals of ( take the millions and after dont give a crap).
Its the contributors/buyers who finally brought this about.


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« Reply #293 on: December 11, 2012, 03:33 »
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Metastocker,

could you please keep your hatred of women to yourself? You are really just making a fool of yourself, as if youre uncontrolled hormones are in complete overdrive.

Gender has got nothing to do with the quality of a manager. Neither does their religion, their skin color, their age or their body height. Or any other sizes.

Leadership comes from proving yourself and getting results.

Hatred and uncontrolled emotion can never bring results.

She's the one doing interviews about how a female exec like her is supposedly making a difference, not me, she's obviously yet another feminist in management, all i'm doing is stating the obvious.

rubyroo

« Reply #294 on: December 11, 2012, 03:45 »
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All you're doing is demonstrating that developing the capacity to think of each individual as a unique entity with their own history, thought processes, strengths and weaknesses is too complex for you.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2012, 03:48 by rubyroo »

Microbius

« Reply #295 on: December 11, 2012, 04:10 »
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Please lets not make this thread about one random troll's mental issues.
Just hit ignore and lets get on with our lives.

Microbius

« Reply #296 on: December 11, 2012, 04:15 »
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I would rather have them shop at agencies that pay %50.. we should try our best to redirect those buyers to agencies like stockfresh..

exclusives pool is not as big as you are worrying about.. vast majority of IS content is still non-exclusive..
I agree in general but would definitely say GraphicLeftovers rather than stock fresh. They are selling a lot better, have good commission rate and let you set your price.

StockFresh seems to be totally stagnated, I imagine the owner has it on the back burner while doing other things.

« Reply #297 on: December 11, 2012, 04:26 »
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+1 for GraphicLeftovers, or GLStockImages as they're known now.  And I hope Pond5 can get going with images, they've been a great site for video clips.

« Reply #298 on: December 11, 2012, 05:00 »
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I don't want IS to fail - I make good money from them each month. I would like them to fix their busted site, drop the RC system and scrap all the Getty zombie images on the site - with a decent, working site and 20% royalties things might look pretty decent as a #2 earner in the monthly sweepstakes.

I couldn't agree more....they need to fix their obvious problems so they can take their place as a regular income source for all of us. After all we all need as many regular and consistent income streams as possible, that's what this industry is about.

rubyroo

« Reply #299 on: December 11, 2012, 05:58 »
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Please lets not make this thread about one random troll's mental issues.
Just hit ignore and lets get on with our lives.

Fair enough.  I hate to let prejudice pass by unchallenged, but yes... if it's just trolling it's best ignored I suppose.


 

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