Author Topic: PP Earnings for November have started. (Read 11482 times)

gostwyck · « **on:** December 14, 2012, 08:47 »

I've just noticed that the PP earnings for November have started to trickle through on Istock stat's.

fotografer · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2012, 08:57 »

Wow mine is about a third what it usually is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gostwyck · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2012, 09:25 »

Quote from: fotografer on December 14, 2012, 08:57

Wow mine is about a third what it usually is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmm __ my early results look to be well down on previous months. Maybe their customers have begun The Great Migration to Shutterstock too?

rubyroo · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2012, 09:31 »

I bloody well hope so!

I know some have grown to appreciate Thinkstock, but I've always hated it and hated the way indies were forced into it - whereby the only 'option' was to pull out of iStock altogether.

Microbius · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2012, 09:57 »

As an Independent I just think of Thinkstock as IStock, I mean I have no choice but to sell there as long as I'm on IS right?
I wish there was a bigger deal made about how low the TS payment per download is on the IStock thread. She didn't say that a raise there was off the table. Yeah I know she probably has no power to sort that either but it could have been worth a try.

Any way, I also am seeing very low downloads so far for November, but sometimes all of a given day's stats don't come in at once, so hopefully that is the problem.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2012, 10:06 »

Quote from: fotografer on December 14, 2012, 08:57

Wow mine is about a third what it usually is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

still soon, last month on October 31th I had 16 sales for 122.2$ (yes PP)

rubyroo · « **Reply #6 on:** December 14, 2012, 10:14 »

Each or collectively?

Either way - I've never had that kind of result there. I'm just stuck in the standard sub payouts, always. Good for you though Luis.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 14, 2012, 10:16 »

Quote from: rubyroo on December 14, 2012, 10:14

Each or collectively?

Either way - I've never had that kind of result there. I'm just stuck in the standard sub payouts, always. Good for you though Luis.

total PP sales for that day, it was the 1st time I had something like that and maybe the last

rubyroo · « **Reply #8 on:** December 14, 2012, 10:29 »

Well I hope you get more of those. Quite honestly though, even if I did get higher individual royalties there, I'd still resent TS on principle.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2012, 10:32 »

Quote from: rubyroo on December 14, 2012, 10:29

Well I hope you get more of those. Quite honestly though, even if I did get higher individual royalties there, I'd still resent TS on principle.

I agree, much better if they were purchased at iStock

ShadySue · « **Reply #10 on:** December 14, 2012, 12:18 »

Quote from: rubyroo on December 14, 2012, 09:31

I bloody well hope so!

I know some have grown to appreciate Thinkstock, but I've always hated it and hated the way indies were forced into it - whereby the only 'option' was to pull out of iStock altogether.

+1

fotografer · « **Reply #11 on:** December 14, 2012, 12:25 »

I never know whether to be happy or upset when I get a good pay out from TS.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #12 on:** December 14, 2012, 12:33 »

Only seeing one day of sales. Hope that means slow reporting rather than no sales. $:-\$

fotografer · « **Reply #13 on:** December 14, 2012, 12:54 »

Quote from: fotografer on December 14, 2012, 08:57

Wow mine is about a third what it usually is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's looking more like a normal month now. I must have caught it as they were adding them on as there are a lot more dls for each day now.
@WarrenPrice I am seeing 5 days worth.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #14 on:** December 14, 2012, 13:20 »

Mine are now adding to November 6th. I'll wait until it gets a bit further along before trying to compare

qwerty · « **Reply #15 on:** December 15, 2012, 19:00 »

Mine shows up till the 12th, sales are down

jamirae · « **Reply #16 on:** December 15, 2012, 19:18 »

Quote from: qwerty on December 15, 2012, 19:00

Mine shows up till the 12th, sales are down

mine seems to be at the 12th also.

so.. I suppose this question has been asked before - but for the monthly poll here do you wait until the previous month's thinkstock earnings are added before you complete the poll here or do you just complete it without the additional earnings for iStock?

lisafx · « **Reply #17 on:** December 15, 2012, 23:01 »

Quote from: jamirae on December 15, 2012, 19:18

so.. I suppose this question has been asked before - but for the monthly poll here do you wait until the previous month's thinkstock earnings are added before you complete the poll here or do you just complete it without the additional earnings for iStock?

I tend to get around the same amount of PP earnings every month, so I just assume the average.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2012, 01:27 »

The 13th is complete and some sales are showing for the 14th (hard to know if they've finished until you see the next day get some sales). It's up about 40% compared to October 1-13, but it's hard to know if that'll hold up for the rest of the month given the Thanksgiving slowdown.

Once my port growth at Thinkstock finishes (I had zero files there until the forced migration) it's also hard to know if I'm seeing real sales growth.

ClaridgeJ · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2012, 01:54 »

Surprising that PP can sell this much. The last three months have been really good.

gillian vann · « **Reply #20 on:** December 16, 2012, 03:15 »

mine appear to be all through, but I hope not! not WM of this (first) year, but in the bottom 3. i would have preferred to see growth each month as my port grows.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 16, 2012, 05:50 »

Quote from: vannphoto on December 16, 2012, 03:15

mine appear to be all through, but I hope not! not WM of this (first) year, but in the bottom 3. i would have preferred to see growth each month as my port grows.

I have no new uploads at iStock since March and I still have 66 pictures not showing up at Thinkstock

so far PP until the 14th

Gimmerton · « **Reply #22 on:** December 16, 2012, 08:37 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 16, 2012, 05:50

Quote from: vannphoto on December 16, 2012, 03:15
mine appear to be all through, but I hope not! not WM of this (first) year, but in the bottom 3. i would have preferred to see growth each month as my port grows.

I have no new uploads at iStock since March and I still have 66 pictures not showing up at Thinkstock

so far PP until the 14th

I have no new uploads at iStock since April and I still have 475 pictures not showing up at Thinkstock either Photos

So far PP until the 15th

klsbear · « **Reply #23 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:28 »

My PP sales for Nov. are updated to the 15th and are now twice my Dec. earnings at iS (and I am still missing 80 images not mirrored on the PP sites). Dec. iS earnings are pathetic so far, on track to be only about 25% of what my Nov. earnings were so it wasn't all that hard to surpass my iS earnings.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #24 on:** December 16, 2012, 13:57 »

Quote from: klsbear on December 16, 2012, 10:28

My PP sales for Nov. are updated to the 15th and are now twice my Dec. earnings at iS (and I am still missing 80 images not mirrored on the PP sites). Dec. iS earnings are pathetic so far, on track to be only about 25% of what my Nov. earnings were so it wasn't all that hard to surpass my iS earnings.

Also seeing updates thru 15th. Unlike last month, all are 28 cent sales. Still a few days to get credit sales.
My port is very small at iS but most have been transferred (mirrored).

fotografer · « **Reply #25 on:** December 16, 2012, 14:23 »

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on December 16, 2012, 01:54

Surprising that PP can sell this much. The last three months have been really good.

What's surprising about it? That's like saying that it's surprising that SS sell so much.

fotografer · « **Reply #26 on:** December 16, 2012, 14:24 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on December 16, 2012, 13:57

Quote from: klsbear on December 16, 2012, 10:28
My PP sales for Nov. are updated to the 15th and are now twice my Dec. earnings at iS (and I am still missing 80 images not mirrored on the PP sites). Dec. iS earnings are pathetic so far, on track to be only about 25% of what my Nov. earnings were so it wasn't all that hard to surpass my iS earnings.

Also seeing updates thru 15th. Unlike last month, all are 28 cent sales. Still a few days to get credit sales.
My port is very small at iS but most have been transferred (mirrored).

Where do you see the individual sales?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #27 on:** December 16, 2012, 16:00 »

You can't easily find them, but when I saw one day that was about $20 higher than the ones around it I went to the my_uploads page and the partner program list and then sorted my sales by $$. Looking at the ones where the download numbers (at the PP) were much lower than those around them with similar $$ amounts I went to the individual download record for that file and saw a Thinkstock sale for $26.01

I've had a variety of non-subs numbers show up. I think those for $24.02 and $26.01 must be extended licenses. The ones for $3.96 or $1.83 or $6 must be image packs.

The CSV file just shows a daily total and a number of downloads. You could use that to flag any days when the total exceeded .28 x #DLs but tracking down which files is a lot harder as you can't sort the partner program list by sale date.

gillian vann · « **Reply #28 on:** December 16, 2012, 16:37 »

phew, only showing up til the 14th as well. there's still a chance to make November not so sad.

fotografer · « **Reply #29 on:** December 16, 2012, 18:37 »

Quote from: jsnover on December 16, 2012, 16:00

You can't easily find them, but when I saw one day that was about $20 higher than the ones around it I went to the my_uploads page and the partner program list and then sorted my sales by $$. Looking at the ones where the download numbers (at the PP) were much lower than those around them with similar $$ amounts I went to the individual download record for that file and saw a Thinkstock sale for $26.01

I've had a variety of non-subs numbers show up. I think those for $24.02 and $26.01 must be extended licenses. The ones for $3.96 or $1.83 or $6 must be image packs.

The CSV file just shows a daily total and a number of downloads. You could use that to flag any days when the total exceeded .28 x #DLs but tracking down which files is a lot harder as you can't sort the partner program list by sale date.

Thanks. Sounds complicated

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #30 on:** December 16, 2012, 23:25 »

Not sure why they just stopped this morning - they could have finished the rest of the month today if they'd kept going. They really aren't in any hurry at all when it comes to paying contributors the money we are owed...

jamirae · « **Reply #31 on:** December 17, 2012, 14:47 »

Quote from: jsnover on December 16, 2012, 23:25

Not sure why they just stopped this morning - they could have finished the rest of the month today if they'd kept going. They really aren't in any hurry at all when it comes to paying contributors the money we are owed...

no and I've been waiting almost 3 months for an explanation on a refund that was given on one of my files - for an amount that was more than the file has ever even made me in royalties! They're quick to take the money from us and always sloooooww to give it up to us.

traveler1116 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 17, 2012, 14:53 »

Quote from: jamirae on December 17, 2012, 14:47

Quote from: jsnover on December 16, 2012, 23:25
Not sure why they just stopped this morning - they could have finished the rest of the month today if they'd kept going. They really aren't in any hurry at all when it comes to paying contributors the money we are owed...

no and I've been waiting almost 3 months for an explanation on a refund that was given on one of my files - for an amount that was more than the file has ever even made me in royalties! They're quick to take the money from us and always sloooooww to give it up to us.

Are you sure it was more than it's ever sold, once it's refunded the sale gets erased. Don't expect anything specific about why your file was refunded, they always tell me customer changed their mind. At least that's what they said on the 5 or so I asked about.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #33 on:** December 17, 2012, 18:15 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on December 17, 2012, 14:53

Quote from: jamirae on December 17, 2012, 14:47
Quote from: jsnover on December 16, 2012, 23:25
Not sure why they just stopped this morning - they could have finished the rest of the month today if they'd kept going. They really aren't in any hurry at all when it comes to paying contributors the money we are owed...

still getting a few this afternoon. None later than 15th, however.

gillian vann · « **Reply #34 on:** December 17, 2012, 19:22 »

do they slow it down on purpose, to coincide with avoiding the payout dates? Are they going to hold off until after the 21st?

estike · « **Reply #35 on:** December 17, 2012, 19:30 »

got just one dated on 15th

gostwyck · « **Reply #36 on:** December 17, 2012, 19:37 »

Quote from: vannphoto on December 17, 2012, 19:22

do they slow it down on purpose, to coincide with avoiding the payout dates? Are they going to hold off until after the 21st?

No, they're not that clever. They're just trying not to overload their crappy system. Every other agency can provide sales and stat's in real-time ... except the 'leading microstock agency by far on revenue'.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #37 on:** December 17, 2012, 20:12 »

They've finished the 15th and are now adding to the 16th, so I'm glad to see we won't have to wait until next weekend. There's another payout request on the 24th with payout the 31st (for PayPal) I think, so we may yet see November's income in 2012

gillian vann · « **Reply #38 on:** December 18, 2012, 05:00 »

i've got up to the 19th. $6 shy of payout, limping home.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #39 on:** December 18, 2012, 11:14 »

Quote from: gostwyck on December 17, 2012, 19:37

Quote from: vannphoto on December 17, 2012, 19:22
do they slow it down on purpose, to coincide with avoiding the payout dates? Are they going to hold off until after the 21st?

No, they're not that clever. They're just trying not to overload their crappy system. Every other agency can provide sales and stat's in real-time ... except the 'leading microstock agency by far on revenue'.

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jamirae · « **Reply #40 on:** December 18, 2012, 17:36 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on December 17, 2012, 14:53

Quote from: jamirae on December 17, 2012, 14:47
Quote from: jsnover on December 16, 2012, 23:25
Not sure why they just stopped this morning - they could have finished the rest of the month today if they'd kept going. They really aren't in any hurry at all when it comes to paying contributors the money we are owed...

no and I've been waiting almost 3 months for an explanation on a refund that was given on one of my files - for an amount that was more than the file has ever even made me in royalties! They're quick to take the money from us and always sloooooww to give it up to us.
Are you sure it was more than it's ever sold, once it's refunded the sale gets erased. Don't expect anything specific about why your file was refunded, they always tell me customer changed their mind. At least that's what they said on the 5 or so I asked about.

not to drag this completely off topic, but yes I'm sure. The file is nothing too special - a lizard on a rock. and it's sold 2x and I got 75cents each back in 2005 (I was exclusive then. The refund stated this:

We regret to inform you that a refund of $1.05 has been issued for the purchase of
your file #536437. This file was purchased from the Vetta or Agency Collection on
Getty Images. This transaction has now been voided from your GI sales.

I'm not exclusive (for 2 years now) so it could not have been a vetta or agency image. And even when I was exclusive, this file was never in either of those collections - I had very few that ever made it to Getty. I think I had a dozen on Getty through the original "quit your day job" program that never worked and had maybe a handful of images moved to Vetta but definitely not this one. And I never, ever had anything in the Agency collection.

Anyhow, they are still investigating this issued apparently.

gillian vann · « **Reply #41 on:** December 19, 2012, 05:10 »

Is it done? I've got sales up to the 26th. just $1 short of my payout... not sure how many sales will continue on past this Friday. surely ... none til the new year?

ShadySue · « **Reply #42 on:** December 19, 2012, 05:45 »

Quote from: jamirae on December 18, 2012, 17:36

not to drag this completely off topic, but yes I'm sure. The file is nothing too special - a lizard on a rock. and it's sold 2x and I got 75cents each back in 2005 (I was exclusive then. The refund stated this:

We regret to inform you that a refund of $1.05 has been issued for the purchase of
your file #536437. This file was purchased from the Vetta or Agency Collection on
Getty Images. This transaction has now been voided from your GI sales.

I'm not exclusive (for 2 years now) so it could not have been a vetta or agency image. And even when I was exclusive, this file was never in either of those collections - I had very few that ever made it to Getty. I think I had a dozen on Getty through the original "quit your day job" program that never worked and had maybe a handful of images moved to Vetta but definitely not this one. And I never, ever had anything in the Agency collection.

Anyhow, they are still investigating this issued apparently.

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Jeffrey · « **Reply #43 on:** December 19, 2012, 07:21 »

If I enable the PP on a file, will it still be available in iStock?

ShadySue · « **Reply #44 on:** December 19, 2012, 07:37 »

Quote from: Jeffrey on December 19, 2012, 07:21

If I enable the PP on a file, will it still be available in iStock?

If you're independent, yes.
If you're exclusive, yes if the file is over 18 months old, no if it's younger than 18 months.

"Partner Program
The iStockphoto Partner Program lets you make your files available to Getty Images partner sites, such as Thinkstock and Photos.com.

Adding Files to the Partner Program
Use the checkboxes to make files available at our Partner Program sites. Your availability options for each file depend on when it was uploaded.
New content (less than 18 months old): Any new Exclusive content that you add into the Partner Program will no longer be available for sale here at iStock.
Old content: After 18 months, you have the option to make any Partner Program files available on iStock as well as partner sites.

You can add or remove a file from the Partner Program at any time, though it can take up to 30 days to take effect.

The iStockphoto Partner Program allows your files to be licensed on Getty Images partner sites, such as Thinkstock and Photos.com, in addition to appearing on iStockphoto. All files by non-exclusive artists are automatically a part of this program, while exclusive artists can choose which files are included. "

lisafx · « **Reply #45 on:** December 19, 2012, 09:12 »

Quote from: vannphoto on December 19, 2012, 05:10

Is it done? I've got sales up to the 26th. just $1 short of my payout... not sure how many sales will continue on past this Friday. surely ... none til the new year?

No, they aren't done. Mine only go to the 26th too. Looks like that's just where they stopped the transfer. I am sure they will finish the xfer by the end of this weekend, if not before.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #46 on:** December 19, 2012, 12:13 »

Quote from: lisafx on December 19, 2012, 09:12

Quote from: vannphoto on December 19, 2012, 05:10
Is it done? I've got sales up to the 26th. just $1 short of my payout... not sure how many sales will continue on past this Friday. surely ... none til the new year?

No, they aren't done. Mine only go to the 26th too. Looks like that's just where they stopped the transfer. I am sure they will finish the xfer by the end of this weekend, if not before.

I'm seeing files added to the 27th this morning, so they're still going...

gillian vann · « **Reply #47 on:** December 20, 2012, 05:59 »

all done? either way, got my payout this month

merry christmas

Microbius · « **Reply #48 on:** December 20, 2012, 06:03 »

I'm hoping a few more get added (which usually happens as the month goes on) because my stats are looking a little low

fotografer · « **Reply #49 on:** December 20, 2012, 06:28 »

Quote from: Microbius on December 20, 2012, 06:03

I'm hoping a few more get added (which usually happens as the month goes on) because my stats are looking a little low

I hope so as well as mine are the lowest since March.

ClaridgeJ · « **Reply #50 on:** December 20, 2012, 06:32 »

Mine are the highest ever! never thought TS would sell like this.

gostwyck · « **Reply #51 on:** December 20, 2012, 07:59 »

Quote from: Microbius on December 20, 2012, 06:03

I'm hoping a few more get added (which usually happens as the month goes on) because my stats are looking a little low

Sales are still coming through. My PP sales so far are about 15% down on October.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #52 on:** December 20, 2012, 08:59 »

looks like PP is completed for November, its my 3rd worst month for PP and worst month in terms of totals for iStock (talking about 2012)

rubyroo · « **Reply #53 on:** December 20, 2012, 09:02 »

It was one of my best, I'm afraid to say. Doesn't make me happy at all. All I can think of is how much more I'd have made if they'd been at my SS rates or at iStock's usual rates.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #54 on:** December 20, 2012, 12:07 »

Assuming they're finished - haven't seen any updates in the last few hours - the $$ were up 1.5% over Oct and DLs up 14.5% over Oct. I assume that means the image pack and EL sales weren't as numerous in November.

That makes the IS+PP growth over October 2012: 21% in $$ and 18% in downloads. Huge growth over November 2011, but that isn't meaningful as the PP didn't have any of my images - I had one PP sale for 28 cents that month

They're very close to done getting my whole portfolio over - another 20 or so images this week. It may be that the PP growth has all been about portfolio getting moved over and not about actual PP increases.

However, IS + PP is pretty close to SS + BigStock, and between them, they accounted for a whopping 67% of my total earnings for November 2012...

lisafx · « **Reply #55 on:** December 20, 2012, 12:35 »

Quote from: jsnover on December 20, 2012, 12:07

They're very close to done getting my whole portfolio over - another 20 or so images this week. It may be that the PP growth has all been about portfolio getting moved over and not about actual PP increases.

My PP sales were within a couple of dollars of dead even with October. They have been steady all year.

Considering the growth of the collection in the PP over the year as all files from independents have been added, I am actually surprised that my PP income has been so consistent. By contrast, when they started the Bridge to Bigstock over at SS, my sales at BS dropped as a result of the influx of new files.

The fact that I haven't seen a similar drop of my PP sales would indicate there is actually quite a lot of growth at TS. That's not exactly good news, but interesting.

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