Author Topic: PP Sales Anxiety (Read 89351 times)

gillian vann · « **Reply #576 on:** July 24, 2013, 06:40 »

so june is all done, except for the 1-10 bit, that was fast! (presuming they get 1-10 done without the same glitch as May has)

Anyka · « **Reply #577 on:** July 24, 2013, 06:52 »

I have another "hole" in June (beside 1-10) : 19-21 are zero days while the others days are showing regular sales.

gillian vann · « **Reply #578 on:** July 24, 2013, 06:55 »

oh me too, but I don't know if I'm at the point yet of expect PP sales everyday, but looking back it was a tues/wed/thurs so I shouldn't write those days off.

jm · « **Reply #579 on:** July 24, 2013, 07:44 »

Sales from beginning of June appeared. Hurray.

cidepix · « **Reply #580 on:** July 24, 2013, 08:36 »

Quote from: tab62 on July 23, 2013, 09:25

The PP for May appears to be done thus a little lower than I expected for May.

may is nowhere near completed..

Mantis · « **Reply #581 on:** July 24, 2013, 08:40 »

Quote from: cidepix on July 24, 2013, 08:36

Quote from: tab62 on July 23, 2013, 09:25
The PP for May appears to be done thus a little lower than I expected for May.

may is nowhere near completed..

Agreed!

lisafx · « **Reply #582 on:** July 24, 2013, 10:48 »

I still have several weekday holes in June too. But I am glad that the month has mostly filled up. At this rate we should be finished by the weekend (hopefully)

Shelma1 · « **Reply #583 on:** July 24, 2013, 14:47 »

I have a few holes: June 7-9, 19-21, and the 30th. Combine that with the 19 missing days in May, and it's still almost a month of royalties missing.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #584 on:** July 24, 2013, 15:07 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on July 24, 2013, 14:47

I have a few holes: June 7-9, 19-21, and the 30th. Combine that with the 19 missing days in May, and it's still almost a month of royalties missing.

I've received several updates over the last few hours. The report "software" must be still running.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #585 on:** July 24, 2013, 15:44 »

With entries for most days, June seems to be 50% below normal, while the part of the May report that exists shows that sales were about 50% up, going into June.

Could just be that they are reporting non-TS file sales first, or they have split the daily reports up or .... well, just about anything really.

Anyka · « **Reply #586 on:** July 25, 2013, 00:27 »

Right now, June PP is about 20% down on other low-season months, so I hope the reporting is not over yet.

gillian vann · « **Reply #587 on:** July 25, 2013, 03:18 »

interesting to see people publicly doubting the honesty of the numbers in the iS forum.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #588 on:** July 25, 2013, 10:12 »

Such a confusing mess. I'm still getting updates but not sure which month is running? Looks like they are from May?

estike · « **Reply #589 on:** July 25, 2013, 10:27 »

Just got one PP for 2nd May

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #590 on:** July 25, 2013, 11:19 »

So called, big agency and they can't even get the partner sales to work? Takes two months and it's still a mess. If this was an employee, they would have been fired last year for poor performance.

Horrible!

Quote from: WarrenPrice on July 25, 2013, 10:12

Such a confusing mess.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #591 on:** July 25, 2013, 11:25 »

Quote from: gillian on July 25, 2013, 03:18

interesting to see people publicly doubting the honesty of the numbers in the iS forum.

Yeah, I don't trust the numbers either. It's about 60% of April. Of course, it's July, but still, a massive difference.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #592 on:** July 25, 2013, 13:29 »

Lobo has now stated in writing that the June PP stats are complete, but I'm still missing sales for four days in June and other days are abnormally low.

I have no problem with spending some of my discretionary income on suing them for transparency in their data reporting and for the royalties they owe me. If possible, I'll also sue to be reimbursed for my legal expenses as well.

I hope Lobo changes his mind about sales for June being complete.

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #593 on:** July 25, 2013, 13:31 »

I continue to get update for May, 3 today

m@m · « **Reply #594 on:** July 25, 2013, 14:32 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on July 25, 2013, 13:29

I have no problem with spending some of my discretionary income on suing them for transparency in their data reporting and for the royalties they owe me. If possible, I'll also sue to be reimbursed for my legal expenses as well.

I hope Lobo changes his mind about sales for June being complete.

Let us know how that works out...

mlwinphoto · « **Reply #595 on:** July 25, 2013, 15:12 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on July 25, 2013, 13:29

Lobo has now stated in writing that the June PP stats are complete, but I'm still missing sales for four days in June and other days are abnormally low.

I have no problem with spending some of my discretionary income on suing them for transparency in their data reporting and for the royalties they owe me. If possible, I'll also sue to be reimbursed for my legal expenses as well.

I hope Lobo changes his mind about sales for June being complete.

I think when it reaches the point in one's relationship with an agency that lawsuits are being considered it's time to leave that agency. Life's too short; there are alot of other choices out there.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #596 on:** July 25, 2013, 15:28 »

Quote from: mlwinphoto on July 25, 2013, 15:12

Quote from: Shelma1 on July 25, 2013, 13:29
Lobo has now stated in writing that the June PP stats are complete, but I'm still missing sales for four days in June and other days are abnormally low.

I have no problem with spending some of my discretionary income on suing them for transparency in their data reporting and for the royalties they owe me. If possible, I'll also sue to be reimbursed for my legal expenses as well.

I hope Lobo changes his mind about sales for June being complete.

I think when it reaches the point in one's relationship with an agency that lawsuits are being considered it's time to leave that agency. Life's too short; there are alot of other choices out there.

Why leave? I still make money there. I just want to be sure I get all the money I make.

Update: It looks like everyone else is also missing sales from the same four days, though Lobo seems to feel there isn't any problem.

ShadySue · « **Reply #597 on:** July 25, 2013, 15:44 »

Quote from: ShadySue on July 15, 2013, 16:24

Quote from: Shelma1 on July 15, 2013, 15:53
But they're owned by Getty...a U.S. corporation. Wouldn't a class-action suit in the U.S. be doable?
We signed that our contract is governed under Alberta/Canadian law.
ASA 15a:
The Site is controlled, operated and administered by iStockphoto from within the Province of Alberta, Canada. The Site can be accessed from all provinces and territories of Canada, as well as from other countries around the world. As each of these jurisdictions has laws that may differ from those of the Province of Alberta, you acknowledge and agree that this Agreement will be governed under the laws of the Province of Alberta and the federal laws of Canada applicable therein (without reference to conflicts of laws principles). You hereby irrevocably submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the Courts of the Province of Alberta, Canada with respect to the subject matter of this Agreement. This Agreement will not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods, the application of which is expressly excluded.

In any case, (1) we don't all live in the US.
In any case (2) How long would it take for a class action suit to be heard, and how much would it cost? No doubt they would manage to pony up the day before the court case, even if they hadn't done it before.

I was looking for something completely different in the ASA, but I found this in the Indie ASA, point 15b, ironically just below the above and I didn't notice:
"You agree to waive any right you may have to (i) trial by jury; and (ii) to commence or participate in any class action against iStockphoto related to the Site or this Agreement."
Presumably that is a valid waiver under Canadian Law - you can bet your bottom $Can that iStockLawyer has been all over it with a fine toothcomb. It would be invalid in Scotland (maybe the UK?) as we can't sign away our legal rights.

Edit: serious typo corrected and highlighted.

gostwyck · « **Reply #598 on:** July 25, 2013, 16:08 »

Quote from: Anyka on July 25, 2013, 00:27

Right now, June PP is about 20% down on other low-season months, so I hope the reporting is not over yet.

I'm 20-25% down on June PP earnings too.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #599 on:** July 25, 2013, 16:33 »

Quote from: ShadySue on July 25, 2013, 15:44

Quote from: ShadySue on July 15, 2013, 16:24
Quote from: Shelma1 on July 15, 2013, 15:53
But they're owned by Getty...a U.S. corporation. Wouldn't a class-action suit in the U.S. be doable?
We signed that our contract is governed under Alberta/Canadian law.
ASA 15a:
The Site is controlled, operated and administered by iStockphoto from within the Province of Alberta, Canada. The Site can be accessed from all provinces and territories of Canada, as well as from other countries around the world. As each of these jurisdictions has laws that may differ from those of the Province of Alberta, you acknowledge and agree that this Agreement will be governed under the laws of the Province of Alberta and the federal laws of Canada applicable therein (without reference to conflicts of laws principles). You hereby irrevocably submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the Courts of the Province of Alberta, Canada with respect to the subject matter of this Agreement. This Agreement will not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods, the application of which is expressly excluded.

In any case, (1) we don't all live in the US.
In any case (2) How long would it take for a class action suit to be heard, and how much would it cost? No doubt they would manage to pony up the day before the court case, even if they hadn't done it before.
I was looking for something completely different in the ASA, but I found this in the Indie ASA, point 15b, ironically just below the above and I didn't notice:
"You agree to waive any right you may have to (i) trial by jury; and (ii) to commence or participate in any class action against iStockphoto related to the Site or this Agreement."
Presumably that is a valid waiver under Canadian Law - you can bet your bottom $Can that iStockLawyer has been all over it with a fine toothcomb. It would be legal in Scotland (maybe the UK?) as we can't sign away our legal rights.

I cannot believe there is no legal recourse if an artist's representative does not pay the people it represents. But now that a dozen or so people have piped up about missing payments on the same days, I'm hoping iStock takes a serious look at the PP sales for June again.

In any case, there are extra-legal recourses.

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