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« Reply #225 on: February 12, 2013, 15:10 »
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Don't shoot the messenger who perhaps shows you the other side of the coin. 

Meanwhile, a company like Getty, which is only about the money, is not about to kiss off one of their strongest revenue streams unless there is seriously strong provocation.

Writing software to get rid of your competitors to the detriment of your main and only client, while putting a spin on it that you were in fact trying to help your competitors, appears that it was enough provocation.

Maybe if he wasn't being so "helpful" he would be able to keep his client and still have his job.


« Reply #226 on: February 12, 2013, 15:20 »
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Don't shoot the messenger who perhaps shows you the other side of the coin. 

Meanwhile, a company like Getty, which is only about the money, is not about to kiss off one of their strongest revenue streams unless there is seriously strong provocation.

Writing software to get rid of your competitors to the detriment of your main and only client, while putting a spin on it that you were in fact trying to help your competitors, appears that it was enough provocation.

Maybe if he wasn't being so "helpful" he would be able to keep his client and still have his job.

Sounds like you have a serious case of 'portfolio envy'.

« Reply #227 on: February 12, 2013, 15:21 »
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Don't shoot the messenger who perhaps shows you the other side of the coin. 

Meanwhile, a company like Getty, which is only about the money, is not about to kiss off one of their strongest revenue streams unless there is seriously strong provocation.

Writing software to get rid of your competitors to the detriment of your main and only client, while putting a spin on it that you were in fact trying to help your competitors, appears that it was enough provocation.

Maybe if he wasn't being so "helpful" he would be able to keep his client and still have his job.
It makes me mad to hear somebody defending the actions of this A-hole company!!

« Reply #228 on: February 12, 2013, 15:22 »
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You've completely missed my point.
Is your point not that some files should attract a higher price because they are somehow better or because they would generally not be mainstream MS subjects and, thus, sell less often?
Maybe both? or either? As I said, the trick is to work out which is which.
I know when Vetta was first introduced I didn't choose any myself because I didn't think I had any good enough. IS made the choices to get the system started, and it seemed to work. I was surprised how much money they made,  but that reduced significantly when they raised prices and reduced commissions.
Apparently less people were willing to pay the higher prices for my files, so that told me what was the best price for those files, unfortunately we weren't given a choice in how much to charge.
I've got a few ex Vettas on SS now and I can tell you for sure they don't make as much money.
I've also got files on SS which were zero sellers on IS and yet have sold quite well on SS.
It's just working out which is which :)
Have you posted your conclusions or thoughts about dropping exclusivity anywhere?
No, just as I didn't when I went exclusive in 2008. I prefer to keep most of my thoughts to myself :)

« Reply #229 on: February 12, 2013, 16:18 »
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Don't shoot the messenger who perhaps shows you the other side of the coin. 

Meanwhile, a company like Getty, which is only about the money, is not about to kiss off one of their strongest revenue streams unless there is seriously strong provocation.

Writing software to get rid of your competitors to the detriment of your main and only client, while putting a spin on it that you were in fact trying to help your competitors, appears that it was enough provocation.

Maybe if he wasn't being so "helpful" he would be able to keep his client and still have his job.
Whoa! You win.  That is the most outrageous conspiracy theory by far!  If you knew Sean at all, and I barely know him from the forums, he is too interested in things working well, in being right and being smart about the business.  He would never throw other contributors under the bus like IS is doing now.  - Go read the info on his site and blog...
« Last Edit: February 12, 2013, 16:20 by dhanford »

« Reply #230 on: February 12, 2013, 16:19 »
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It appears Sean wrote a script to help a lot of his competition remove themselves from his game.

Sadly for him that act of trying to be clever backfired and blew up in his face and then ended up earning him a microstock Darwin Award instead.

I guess he is a bit shocked by it all because he was just trying to help, right?


Seems like a very cynical interpretation of the facts.

It's utter rubbish!

If Sean wanted to get rid of his competition (which I do not think is the case) he'd never have written all the other greasemonkey scripts whose only purpose was to make the total disaster interface that the iStock engineers produced usable by humans.

What's with all the "he was asking for it, dressed the way he was" stuff? Talk about blaming the victim - isn't there some political squabble to go join (elsewhere)?

« Reply #231 on: February 12, 2013, 16:20 »
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It makes me mad to hear somebody defending the actions of this A-hole company!!

I think bokehgal must be cbarnesphotography in drag :)

« Reply #232 on: February 12, 2013, 16:26 »
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So there you have it, we are being watched in this forum. But we kind of knew that anyway.

« Reply #233 on: February 12, 2013, 16:27 »
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Don't shoot the messenger who perhaps shows you the other side of the coin. 

Meanwhile, a company like Getty, which is only about the money, is not about to kiss off one of their strongest revenue streams unless there is seriously strong provocation.

Writing software to get rid of your competitors to the detriment of your main and only client, while putting a spin on it that you were in fact trying to help your competitors, appears that it was enough provocation.

Maybe if he wasn't being so "helpful" he would be able to keep his client and still have his job.

I'm sure Getty doesn't see it as him trying to get rid of his competitors. Even if they did, as long as it didn't affect the overall customer spend, why should they care? I feel sure that the loss of 15,000 - 30,000 images didn't bother them too much, either. I think it was his willingness to confront them and act as a focal point for member dissent, giving it strength, support and credibility - not to mention greasemonkey - that was too much for them.

jbarber is right that exclusives are effectively locked in an employer-worker relationship .... all their "artistic independence" adds up to in the end is that it deprives them of any rights they might have under employment laws.

EmberMike

« Reply #234 on: February 12, 2013, 16:45 »
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Don't shoot the messenger who perhaps shows you the other side of the coin...

But that's not the other side of the coin. Sean was fighting this Google Drive deal more than anyone. He set up a special forum to discuss it privately. He was looking into legal action. There's no reason to believe he was doing this to secretly attack his competition.

« Reply #235 on: February 12, 2013, 16:49 »
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He was looking into legal action.

I forgot that. It must have been another big feather in his cap with Getty.

Poncke

« Reply #236 on: February 12, 2013, 16:52 »
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I dont think Sean needed to kill competition by getting them to deactivate images. Sean killed his competition by creating the better images. The real competition he has is the people in the top 10 around him anyways.

To think or say that is just utter rubbish and is spawned from either envy, spitefulness, trolling or gloating.

« Reply #237 on: February 12, 2013, 17:00 »
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Don't shoot the messenger who perhaps shows you the other side of the coin. 

Meanwhile, a company like Getty, which is only about the money, is not about to kiss off one of their strongest revenue streams unless there is seriously strong provocation.

Writing software to get rid of your competitors to the detriment of your main and only client, while putting a spin on it that you were in fact trying to help your competitors, appears that it was enough provocation.

Maybe if he wasn't being so "helpful" he would be able to keep his client and still have his job.

that is how you payback the person who replied you to all the topics and comments you have been involved here, amazing Cheryl Kreis

« Reply #238 on: February 12, 2013, 17:07 »
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He was looking into legal action.
I forgot that. It must have been another big feather in his cap with Getty.

To be honest, that was more about getting some legal opinion on the ASA we could use after initiating a discussion on the Google thing.  At least, that was my intent.  If Getty has a lawyer for everything, I don't see why we can't have one to look at things.

« Reply #239 on: February 12, 2013, 17:40 »
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See, that's where I have to respectfully disagree. If you are getting 100% of your revenue from one source, you can call yourself an artist or whatever you want, but they are the boss. And he's fired.

I disagree. There's no employee contract here, he was exclusively represented by an agency, which, very unprofessionally, decided to unilaterally close the relationship. Legal, perhaps, ethically and professionally highly questionable.

« Reply #240 on: February 12, 2013, 17:54 »
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The guy that posted the "summary" on this subject on the Alamy forums is a first rate a$$6ole. I admire Sean's reserve, I would be liable to bite the bait on such slanderous trolling.

BTW, I felt physically sick for a whole day after the news of what happened with Sean and Rob. Feeling a good deal more positive today. No-one has died, both affected individuals will be fine, and so will the rest of us. The landscape is definitely changing - for the better in the long run.

Really looking forward to the launch of Stocksy now, it's going to be big I reckon.

« Reply #241 on: February 12, 2013, 18:19 »
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here's the Alamy thread for those who don't want to dig for it
http://www.alamy.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=15111

Mars

« Reply #242 on: February 12, 2013, 18:37 »
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« Last Edit: February 15, 2013, 17:38 by Mars »

« Reply #243 on: February 12, 2013, 19:56 »
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Are you guys talking abt the same sean that discovered the getty/google deal (or brought it to everyones attention) and then instigated the whole Feb 2 thing and then he wrote the script to make it easy for us all to deactivate out picures from istock?

is that the sean you are all talking about?

(I only read the first6pages of this thread)

donding

  • Think before you speak
« Reply #244 on: February 12, 2013, 20:06 »
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Are you guys talking abt the same sean that discovered the getty/google deal (or brought it to everyones attention) and then instigated the whole Feb 2 thing and then he wrote the script to make it easy for us all to deactivate out picures from istock?

is that the sean you are all talking about?

(I only read the first6pages of this thread)

Yes it is the same Sean, but he did not instigate the Feb 2nd thing.

donding

  • Think before you speak
« Reply #245 on: February 12, 2013, 20:07 »
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here's the Alamy thread for those who don't want to dig for it
http://www.alamy.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=15111


Thanks Leaf for providing that link.

EDIT: NOW THAT PISSES ME OFF!!!!
« Last Edit: February 12, 2013, 20:11 by donding »

dbvirago

« Reply #246 on: February 12, 2013, 20:07 »
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The one with 12,778 images, one of which has over 10,000 downloads, 120 with over 1000 downloads, about 1700 or so with over 100 downloads. Yeah, that one.

« Reply #247 on: February 12, 2013, 21:25 »
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The one with 12,778 images, one of which has over 10,000 downloads, 120 with over 1000 downloads, about 1700 or so with over 100 downloads. Yeah, that one.

Would that be the same bloke that has been single-handedly generating about $1M per year in sales for Istock/Getty, constantly helping other contributors on forums and writing work-around codes (for free) to address the numerous Istock site issues?

« Reply #248 on: February 12, 2013, 22:11 »
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Just thought I'd add that there's also a discussion going over here as well. Perhaps a few of you might want to offer your opinions... http://www.petapixel.com/2013/02/11/istockphoto-booting-top-photographer-in-wake-of-gettygoogle-hoopla/

EmberMike

« Reply #249 on: February 12, 2013, 22:30 »
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Just thought I'd add that there's also a discussion going over here as well. Perhaps a few of you might want to offer your opinions... http://www.petapixel.com/2013/02/11/istockphoto-booting-top-photographer-in-wake-of-gettygoogle-hoopla/


Seems like people are missing the point over there. They're all hung up on the old microstock debate and are ignoring the bigger issue of Getty getting rid of people who they deem to be troublemakers.


 

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